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Social NintenZone Social 4 - Bring It In, Guys!

When, if ever, do you plan on buying the Switch?

  • At launch

    Votes: 40 36.0%
  • Late spring/summer

    Votes: 25 22.5%
  • During the fall/holidays

    Votes: 17 15.3%
  • Sometime after 2017

    Votes: 7 6.3%
  • Not until [insert game here] is released

    Votes: 20 18.0%
  • I'm not getting that bucket of turds!!

    Votes: 2 1.8%

  • Total voters
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Still, it kinda makes me wonder:
Sure, the game is mediocre by its almost 4m dollar budget that's a fact in of itself. But it makes me wonder if a lot of that anger comes less from the game itself, and more us.
After all, we were the ones to hype it from hell and back. Calling it the triumphant return to Mega Man. Even if the game was great, would that have been enough to satisfy the high standards we gave it?
The graphics are atrocious. The only thing that could make up for that is the gameplay, which is mediocre

A mediocre game with bad graphics
 

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The graphics are atrocious. The only thing that could make up for that is the gameplay, which is mediocre

A mediocre game with bad graphics
Well yeah I'm not arguing against that.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is even if the game was actually decent, would it still have been put down because of the standards we gave it?
 

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I feel a little vindicated in being anti-Kick Starter now. I think the platform has a lot of short comings. Mainly the fact that people who put money down aren't investors -- they don't get a percentage of profit. Also, the fact that there's no safety net or real liability.

MN9 is a pretty good example of this. Honestly, MN9 is a game that probably could have gotten funding without Kick Starter...and maybe it would have been better as they might have implemented quality control or some sort of oversight. I hope the same thing doesn't happen with Shenmue 3 or Bloodstained.

That being said, Yooka-Laylee looks amazing so far.
 

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I'm not going to do kickstarter anymore

If a game is good, I'll find out afterwards

I always invest in bad games from the start

I bought the special edition of SWTOR, and now I put money down to MN9
 

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Well... it is a secondary exploited Nintendo game. Maybe they'll just patch instead of taking it down like with Freakyforms Deluxe...
Still, we've been through this song and dance before.
I'm already calling it being taken down because logic.
 

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I feel a little vindicated in being anti-Kick Starter now. I think the platform has a lot of short comings. Mainly the fact that people who put money down aren't investors -- they don't get a percentage of profit. Also, the fact that there's no safety net or real liability.

MN9 is a pretty good example of this. Honestly, MN9 is a game that probably could have gotten funding without Kick Starter...and maybe it would have been better as they might have implemented quality control or some sort of oversight. I hope the same thing doesn't happen with Shenmue 3 or Bloodstained.

That being said, Yooka-Laylee looks amazing so far.
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with Kickstarter/crowdfunding. Yes, there are risks associated with it, but both the project managers and the backer should realise this going in and account for it. This simply was not the case with MN9 (at least on the project manager's part).

It's like with anything in game development really. You can give a team the best dev kit in the world, but that doesn't guarantee they can make a good game with it. There's always a risk with these things, but the bad example shouldn't really invalidate the platform.

Saying "MN9 is a good example of why people shouldn't use Kickstarter for projects" is like saying "MN9 is a good example of why people shouldn't use UDK for game development".
 
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I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with Kickstarter/crowdfunding. Yes, there are risks associated with it, but both the project managers and the backer should realise this going and account for it. This simply was not the case with MN9 (at least on the project manager's part).

It's like with anything in game development really. You can give a team the best dev kit in the world, but that doesn't guarantee they can make a good game with it. There's always a risk with these things, but the bad example shouldn't really invalidate the platform.

Saying "MN9 is a good example of why people shouldn't use Kickstarter for projects" is like saying "MN9 is a good example of why people shouldn't use UDK for game development".
Yogventure is a good reason why people shouldn't use kickstarter

I didn't support it because it looked like crap
 
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There's always going to be problems with supporting/buying a potential product.
 

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I feel a little vindicated in being anti-Kick Starter now. I think the platform has a lot of short comings. Mainly the fact that people who put money down aren't investors -- they don't get a percentage of profit. Also, the fact that there's no safety net or real liability.

MN9 is a pretty good example of this. Honestly, MN9 is a game that probably could have gotten funding without Kick Starter...and maybe it would have been better as they might have implemented quality control or some sort of oversight. I hope the same thing doesn't happen with Shenmue 3 or Bloodstained.

That being said, Yooka-Laylee looks amazing so far.
I've always been anti-Kickstarter because I rather give money to a PRODUCT than a PROMISE.

If they can easily fund something then rather do that and work with what you got.

Plus I hate the idea of "Let's find the game over the idea and basis of '**** this Company'"

It looks awful if not done well and makes the company your trying to throw shade on look good in return. Capcom is still considered to most fans as Japanese EA and they still hold out hope that they can do Megaman again because they believe they won't make the same mistake like Inafune and Comcept
 

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Solar Panel Roadways, Thorium Powered Cars, Artificial Gill, and Hover Boards are why people shouldn't support kickstarter if you look beyond games
 

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So I dropped Shulk because he just isn't getting me results anymore. RIP, Monado Boy...

Meanwhile, I've been hard core labbing :4megaman: (what fitting timing) for a few weeks and I'm having more fun with him than any other character in awhile now that I taught myself so many of his tricks and mindgames. Made it to Losers semis in my local tourney.

He's been getting some decent results in Japan recently too. Remember when People said Megaman was easily the worst character in the game when 3ds came out? Gooooood times man.
 
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Still, it kinda makes me wonder:
Sure, the game is mediocre by its almost 4m dollar budget that's a fact in of itself. But it makes me wonder if a lot of that anger comes less from the game itself, and more us.
After all, we were the ones to hype it from hell and back. Calling it the triumphant return to Mega Man. Even if the game was great, would that have been enough to satisfy the high standards we gave it?
To be fair, Inafune did nothing to control the hype, and instead attempted to misuse the goodwill (Red Ash).

If you want to be fair, the original Kickstarter goal was 900K, I believe. I don't think it looks particularly good for $900K either.
 
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Remember when People said Megaman was easily the worst character in the game when 3ds came out? Gooooood times man.
I definitely do not remember anyone saying that at all. Quite the opposite actually, he was viewed as at least high tier from what I saw.
 

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A lot of my issues could be solved if Kick Starter was actually more investor/customer oriented than creator oriented. As of right now, creators just need to sell people on an idea and then...that's it. There's very little oversight.

If the money invested was trickled in, instead of a lump sum it could help. Give the people that donate a say if the people running the kick starter get the next month's Payment. That way progress needs to be made, or at the very least creators would need to show people know what's going on with their investment.

Right now Kick Starter is basically pre-ordering a game before it's finished. That's my issue with it. Customers cant make a reasonable decision just based on concept art and promises...they aren't in the video game business. They don't know what's needed for a budget or what kind of expertise.
 
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So I dropped Shulk because he just isn't getting me results anymore. RIP, Monado Boy...

Meanwhile, I've been hard core labbing :4megaman: (what fitting timing) for a few weeks and I'm having more fun with him than any other character in awhile now that I taught myself so many of his tricks and mindgames. Made it to Losers semis in my local tourney.

He's been getting some decent results in Japan recently too. Remember when People said Megaman was easily the worst character in the game when 3ds came out? Gooooood times man.
Well good thing I picked up Shulk then so I'll pick up the slack.

Also MM was considered decent during the 3DS days.

It was Luigi, Olimar and Meta Knignt that was considered bad.

And Dunk Hunt was too tier as well as Bowser Jr who both characters dropped harder than Mac and Bowser
 

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Well good thing I picked up Shulk then so I'll pick up the slack.

Also MM was considered decent during the 3DS days.

It was Luigi, Olimar and Meta Knignt that was considered bad.

And Dunk Hunt was too tier as well as Bowser Jr who both characters dropped harder than Mac and Bowser
I still use Duck Hunt and Bowser Jr

Don't care about the haters
 
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Remember when Bowser was S-tier? Good times man, pre release sure was fun...
 

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Right now Kick Starter is basically pre-ordering a game before it's finished. That's my issue with it. Customers cant make a reasonable decision just based on concept art and promises...they aren't in the video game business. They don't know what's needed for a budget or what kind of expertise.
That's what I mean though, by "it's more down to the creators and backers to understand what's going on".

The Yooka Laylee and Indivisible crowd fund campaigns are a perfect example because the former had what was clearly an in-engine video as well as allowing various journalists to play the demo. And the latter had a public prototype.

At the end of the day, nobody was forced to back MN9. If the backers decided to back it based on concept art, that's their own decision. The creators should have more than concept art, but they shouldn't be held accountable for "wasting your money" if they don't because the backer should know better than to back anything with less than a proof of concept.

It's unfortunate that MN9 ended up the way it did, but the issue was not Kickstarter. It was Inafune and the unwarranted hype surrounding him. People backed the game on the premise of nothing more than "MUH INAFUNE" and "**** CAPCOM", rather than actually thinking about the project itself. Then Inafune himself got way too greedy (which people should have realised if they knew anything about the guy's history) and tried to make all of these other things aside from the MN9 game.

If Inafune was funded any other way but was given the same creative control he had, then the situation wouldn't be any different.
 
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I definitely do not remember anyone saying that at all. Quite the opposite actually, he was viewed as at least high tier from what I saw.
Well good thing I picked up Shulk then so I'll pick up the slack.

Also MM was considered decent during the 3DS days.

It was Luigi, Olimar and Meta Knignt that was considered bad.

And Dunk Hunt was too tier as well as Bowser Jr who both characters dropped harder than Mac and Bowser
Huh.

Dunno what part of the boards I was on then.

Well anyway, Rock is probably here to stay for me.

Remember when Dr.Eggman took over the Sonic Twitter account?
Well it's happening again.
I bet you anything he way playing the anniversary game in the other room.

He was probably doing it with those giant mascot hands, no less.
 

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Getting ahead of themselves by thinking of movies, TV shows, and even a sequel made them forget that they had to make a good game.

And it sucks that it's this half-finished mess, but after the constant delays for this game it was inevitable that it'd be mediocre. Better hope Bloodstained and Shenmue III aren't as disappointing as this one.
 

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Getting ahead of themselves by thinking of movies, TV shows, and even a sequel made them forget that they had to make a good game.

And it sucks that it's this half-finished mess, but after the constant delays for this game it was inevitable that it'd be mediocre. Better hope Bloodstained and Shenmue III aren't as disappointing as this one.
Bloodstained's demo is releasing to backers soon iirc, and they showed a demo at E3. Looked great.
 

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so i do have a actually legit reason for wanting to buy a physical copy of mighty number 9...and its a simple one

there will come a time when you can no longer buy mighty number 9, and after that time comes people will start to forget weather by choice or lack of exposure it will happen. controversies like this are easily forgotten over time this much is certain(seriously how many of you can name 10 controversies that happened 5 years ago off hand)

my reason as i said is simple i want a physical copy so i will always remember what inafune did

regardless everyone's cracking jokes about the anime and movie..reminder we did that with sonic boom and its cartoon is great
and hey at least it wont be as bad as the new megaman cartoon
 

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so i do have a actually legit reason for wanting to buy a physical copy of mighty number 9...and its a simple one

there will come a time when you can no longer buy mighty number 9, and after that time comes people will start to forget weather by choice or lack of exposure it will happen. controversies like this are easily forgotten over time this much is certain(seriously how many of you can name 10 controversies that happened 5 years ago off hand)

my reason as i said is simple i want a physical copy so i will always remember what inafune did

regardless everyone's cracking jokes about the anime and movie..reminder we did that with sonic boom and its cartoon is great
and hey at least it wont be as bad as the new megaman cartoon
"Don't judge MN9's anime yet"
"The Megaman cartoon is bad" I know the design is godawful, but the studio involved is actually pretty good from what I've seen
 

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Mighty No. 9 with lame launch reviews? Oh well, nothing a delay can't fi-

Oh. right... Welp, it's ****ed.

And good lord, those "explosions" are absolutely painful to look at.
 
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