Nintendo, Online Servers, and Taunt Parties...

[LiteralGrill]

I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense. What is your reasoning for saying that?

Imagine Nintendo saying this:

"We don't want players to feel bad about losing, so we'll only show when they win!"

This is just ASKING more major fraud. With most ranking systems already, you have people who quit on purpose so their ranks stay good, but they get caught as times for it with a loss ratio. Without it the fraud would be so easy to do it'd be crazy... And people wouldn't wanna know their losses are being hidden because they essentially suck either. It's like Sakurai would be telling them he knew they wouldn't be good in the first place and they'd feel bad about themselves...

 

[RODO]

Imagine Nintendo saying this:

"We don't want players to feel bad about losing, so we'll only show when they win!"

This is just ASKING more major fraud. With most ranking systems already, you have people who quit on purpose so their ranks stay good, but they get caught as times for it with a loss ratio. Without it the fraud would be so easy to do it'd be crazy... And people wouldn't wanna know their losses are being hidden because they essentially suck either. It's like Sakurai would be telling them he knew they wouldn't be good in the first place and they'd feel bad about themselves...

Well first off there are already games such as Battlefield 3 that if you disconnect or quit it counts as a loss. Also, they could make it to where you can see your losses but others can't. OR even better they could just let you choose whether or not you want to make your stats public. The point being that there are many ways to make a ranking system without upsetting people.

 

[nLiM8d]

I'm directly west of Las Vegas, my friends are somewhere down in Georgia, I think this video demonstrates that while lag exists, its definitely playable.

Pay no attention to my continuous failings

If the servers could adequately register different game modes by parceling out information through host directives, instead of a catch all anonymous setup, the game might still have lag, but it at least be playable.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Well first off there are already games such as Battlefield 3 that if you disconnect or quit it counts as a loss. Also, they could make it to where you can see your losses but others can't. OR even better they could just let you choose whether or not you want to make your stats public. The point being that there are many ways to make a ranking system without upsetting people.

It's probably possible to do it where it didn't make players upset but it'd need to be done PERFECTLY. Rankings have good and bad qualities to them and you wouldn't want them being added to suddenly make smash look bad in some way.

 

[Chauzu]

I have Tekken Tag 2 for Wii U and usually it runs very smooth, and even then it's random which player you face, whilst in Sm4sh I'd probably start collect a big friend rooster of people I enjoy playing with.

So c'mon Nintendo, you have paired up with Namco, at least make the online at the same level as Tekken Tag 2. Should at least work for 1v1 matches (which is the most important for me in any case...)

 

[XavierSylfaen]

I have Tekken Tag 2 for Wii U and usually it runs very smooth, and even then it's random which player you face, whilst in Sm4sh I'd probably start collect a big friend rooster of people I enjoy playing with.

So c'mon Nintendo, you have paired up with Namco, at least make the online at the same level as Tekken Tag 2. Should at least work for 1v1 matches (which is the most important for me in any case...)

For once I don't really think this will be something we have to worry about. At worst it'll be Brawl features but with vastly improved netcode.

 

[PadWarrior]

Speaking of online, do any you use a wired adapter? I was thinking of getting one for my Wii U to wire it like I have my PS3 wired.

 

[Chauzu]

I've never really tried using wired adapters. How much do they help? I've got 4G internet so I would think that's enough but if I can boost it further I'd be up to test it.

 

[nLiM8d]

You might experience a more consistent signal, but that's about it. Consider the technology you're dealing with: Wireless-G receptors vs RJ-45 to USB 2.0

 

[SmashChu]

I also want an ELO system so I'm not put in a game with a seven year old who got the game for his birthday.

Games with a rank system run into all kinds of problems. AylasHero mentioned a problem with Sony Smash. Starcraft 2 also had a big issue with ladder anxiety. Awesomenauts is having a lot of problems with it as the top players are forming pre-made teams with has made solo queue pointless. Ranking systems bring out the worst in people. Random is always better and more fun.

 

[ZXCV4523]

This. Brawl's online was destroyed by lag, lag, lag and more lag and needs to be top priority for Sakurai to improve. I also hated the delay in movement which made the game that much harder to play online.

Yea the net code for Brawl wasn't good at all but this time around i think they will nail it as they have done alot more online base things and having a infrastructure already setup is going to help out alot.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Defensive pessimism aside, I don't think it will change much from brawl aside from being a crap ton less laggy and having a few more options in terms of rule set. I just don't see him doing something like a ranking system, or anything very sophisticated for that matter.

I hear that i feel pretty much the same...lets just hope its even that....

 

[Dark Phazon]

You arent going to learn much online compared to offline, though I suppose this will vary based on lag.

My main point being, I wouldnt be unhappy in the slightest if the game came out and everything was balanced and fun yet they didnt even put an Online option. Online to me means nearly nothing, as smash tends to be a game meant to be played nearly completely offline. The only online things I would think they would put in would be random match making with rulesets and ability to play with friends. It isnt a selling point of the series.

But thats half opinionated.

Yeah but what about the people who dont have no one to play with...like me....

 

[[Corn]]

Yeah but what about the people who dont have no one to play with...like me....

In all regards smash has always been one of those games that you play with buddies and hang out and practice with. You will not get the full experience of the game if you just buy it for the online.
Probably my bias, but If it differs enough from what I am going to be playing offline, serious or non serious with people, I wont get any use of it. I dont play really any online console games because of my mentality.

 

[Dark Phazon]

In all regards smash has always been one of those games that you play with buddies and hang out and practice with. You will not get the full experience of the game if you just buy it for the online.
Probably my bias, but If it differs enough from what I am going to be playing offline, serious or non serious with people, I wont get any use of it. I dont play really any online console games because of my mentality.

Ow no trust i totally agree man the Melee times were the ****! Me my bro and mates! No doubt your right.

But times change....

 

[Anomilus]

If there's one thing I'm hoping Sakurai implements, it's Communities as seen in Mario Kart 7. It's a perfect fit for a game like this.

 

[Chauzu]

In all regards smash has always been one of those games that you play with buddies and hang out and practice with. You will not get the full experience of the game if you just buy it for the online.
Probably my bias, but If it differs enough from what I am going to be playing offline, serious or non serious with people, I wont get any use of it. I dont play really any online console games because of my mentality.

I'm the total opposite. I enjoy multiplayer online way more than offline, espescially if it's a competition. Then I can focus solely on the competitive aspect and brush all else aside. Like them thinking I'm boring I'm the same char all the time and them being sore losers, etc.

The less I know the person I face the better.

 

[[Corn]]

Ow no trust i totally agree man the Melee times were the ****! Me my bro and mates! No doubt your right.

But times change....

Im not referring to Melee at all, Im referring to every single Smash game that I have played. I bought Brawl with full intention of never using the online features. This is true for most of the Fighting games I play.

I'm the total opposite. I enjoy multiplayer online way more than offline, espescially if it's a competition. Then I can focus solely on the competitive aspect and brush all else aside. Like them thinking I'm boring I'm the same char all the time and them being sore losers, etc.

The less I know the person I face the better.

Thats the thing, I cannot get into any fighting games competition online if there is any noticeable lag. Having lag in my opinion, on a noticeable level that requires you to adapt/change most playstyles around it, limits my growth as a player and I simply do not consider it enjoyable in both the competitive sense and the fun sense.

Im not saying it isnt enjoyable to others, just not myself.

 

[TigerBizNiz]

This might be an unpopular opinion and I may get hate for this, but I'm just going to share it anyways. I honestly don't want a ranking system. Too many players will take the game way too seriously (and I mean seriously, look at Call of Duty). If you're a tournament competitor, I may understand at an extent for you wanting the ranking system. Other than that, I don't see any reason why it matters what rank you are. I don't plan on participating in any future tournaments so meh.

Though, I'm sort of doubting Sakurai will do the ranking system anyways due to how many little kids that play Smash Bros. I mean isn't the fact that so many kids (18- of age) the reason why Sakurai has not considered voice chat in the first place?

 

[nLiM8d]

Any conventional ranking system, I could understand why there would be a hefty amount of opposition. I'm not familiar with all the ways that people abuse the system so I don't know of the slew of things that the developers would need to account for or prevent. The fascinating aspect of the concept, outside of those nuances, is the promise of a self sustaining community within a singular game mode.

Who acknowledges that you're the greatest when you make it to the top? Hopefully no one.

At any time, you can be challenged for your position and its up to you to maintain that title if such a thing is important to you. Its an idea that might only ring true for a certain group of people, but that is the way that they want to play. The only people that are interested in keeping the system going are the people who are entertaining it anyway, why deny them their utility under the pretense that certain things could go wrong? Is that not the gamble of every game that's been developed? Isn't that one of the main contributing factors that lead to the advent of Smash Brothers?

Essentially its like king of the hill, nothing's stopping you from playing the other game modes.