Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Swamp Sensei]

Is Neptunia in the poll? Just askin'

The IP will be.

 

[fogbadge]

So I might as well say it over here.

The third party poll has resumed it's development but some changes had to happen. Originally I was going to do exactly the same kind of poll. I'd give character choices for every new IP. For the first party poll, that had a clear beginning and end, so it was easily doable.

But third parties are literally endless. I couldn't do it. I either had to change the poll or not release it. Returning franchises will still have lots of characters to choose from. But new franchises will be done in a different way from here on.

Each company will have a page with all their IPs on it. I will be asking what IP you want to get a character in Smash. It's not as exact as it was before and I know we would get as much detailed data as before. But it was too big to do at the scale I was attempting. At least it was too big to do on my own.

So yeah, when the third party poll is out, you'll be voting for characters with returning franchises and IPs for brand new franchises.

Any questions or concerns?

can I vote for Tails multiple times?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

can I vote for Tails multiple times?

You may vote for Tails.

Once.

 

[fogbadge]

You may vote for Tails.

Once.

What is up with DK’s rear end in that picture?

 

[Gengar84]

Since I seem to be the only one who wants most of the characters I do, I’m not expecting many on my list to be on the poll. If they are, I’m sure they won’t score well. Could still be fun to support the characters that are on the poll I like most.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What is up with DK’s rear end in that picture?

It's expanded.

 

[fogbadge]

It's expanded.

should have seen that one coming

 

[Undella2]

Another, perhaps odd question, is there anywhere on this site I might be able to find threads about melee from around when the game released? I'm interested in seeing players' reactions to Marth and Roy being in that game, what with them at the time being from a japanese-only series and whatnot.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

So I might as well say it over here.

The third party poll has resumed it's development but some changes had to happen. Originally I was going to do exactly the same kind of poll. I'd give character choices for every new IP. For the first party poll, that had a clear beginning and end, so it was easily doable.

But third parties are literally endless. I couldn't do it. I either had to change the poll or not release it. Returning franchises will still have lots of characters to choose from. But new franchises will be done in a different way from here on.

Each company will have a page with all their IPs on it. I will be asking what IP you want to get a character in Smash. It's not as exact as it was before and I know we wouldn't get as much detailed data as before. But it was too big to do at the scale I was attempting. At least it was too big to do on my own.

So yeah, when the third party poll is out, you'll be voting for characters with returning franchises and IPs for brand new franchises.

Any questions or concerns?

I'd probably be the only person who would click on it but will SRW be in the Bandai Namco section?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'd probably be the only person who would click on it but will SRW be in the Bandai Namco section?

Its already on there.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Its already on there.

Is there a link to it or is it not open yet?

 

[Laniv]

So I might as well say it over here.

The third party poll has resumed it's development but some changes had to happen. Originally I was going to do exactly the same kind of poll. I'd give character choices for every new IP. For the first party poll, that had a clear beginning and end, so it was easily doable.

But third parties are literally endless. I couldn't do it. I either had to change the poll or not release it. Returning franchises will still have lots of characters to choose from. But new franchises will be done in a different way from here on.

Each company will have a page with all their IPs on it. I will be asking what IP you want to get a character in Smash. It's not as exact as it was before and I know we wouldn't get as much detailed data as before. But it was too big to do at the scale I was attempting. At least it was too big to do on my own.

So yeah, when the third party poll is out, you'll be voting for characters with returning franchises and IPs for brand new franchises.

Any questions or concerns?

Just one.

How many Dragon Quest characters are there?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Is there a link to it or is it not open yet?

Not yet finished.

Just one.

How many Dragon Quest characters are there?

A lot. Big thanks to Slime Scholar for the big list.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

So I might as well say it over here.

The third party poll has resumed it's development but some changes had to happen. Originally I was going to do exactly the same kind of poll. I'd give character choices for every new IP. For the first party poll, that had a clear beginning and end, so it was easily doable.

But third parties are literally endless. I couldn't do it. I either had to change the poll or not release it. Returning franchises will still have lots of characters to choose from. But new franchises will be done in a different way from here on.

Each company will have a page with all their IPs on it. I will be asking what IP you want to get a character in Smash. It's not as exact as it was before and I know we wouldn't get as much detailed data as before. But it was too big to do at the scale I was attempting. At least it was too big to do on my own.

So yeah, when the third party poll is out, you'll be voting for characters with returning franchises and IPs for brand new franchises.

Any questions or concerns?

Voting for franchisees instead of characters ought to produce some interesting results.

You may vote for Tails.

Once.

I remember having the bottom picture as my avatar a long time ago, then got this warning from a mod.

 

[Noipoi]

I remember having the bottom picture as my avatar a long time ago, then got this warning from a mod.View attachment 400116

Donkey Kong is a notoriously NSFW franchise

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I remember having the bottom picture as my avatar a long time ago, then got this warning from a mod.

You could only have this avatar once, I suppose

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Voting for franchisees instead of characters ought to produce some interesting results.


I remember having the bottom picture as my avatar a long time ago, then got this warning from a mod.View attachment 400116

I wonder if it was cause things changed since about 10 years ago... or maybe it being an avatar is a lot different from a once in a blue moon post? I dunno.

I'm pretty sure it's not as stingy now, but I could be wrong. XD

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Donkey Kong is a notoriously NSFW franchise

Not Safe For Wildlife

Another, perhaps odd question, is there anywhere on this site I might be able to find threads about melee from around when the game released? I'm interested in seeing players' reactions to Marth and Roy being in that game, what with them at the time being from a japanese-only series and whatnot.

Tagging Verde Coeden Scalesworth on that one because she's been around SmashBoards since the dawn of time

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Donkey Kong is a notoriously NSFW franchise

I feel like that show is entirely responsible for basically all of DK's memes being crass.

Try to name a DK combo without using the word "dong" challenge (impossible).

I'm pretty sure it's not as stingy now, but I could be wrong. XD

Considering we have a user here with shirtless Wario with "W" nipples as his profile pic, I'd wager an official image of Thicc Kong would be allowed. lol

 

[smashkirby]

You can still do an SSE style story with in game graphics and no actual CG cutscenes. I’d be totally fine with that. You don’t need CG for a fun adventure and character interaction.

Ngl, I sort of figured something like that or Namco's 'X' games would be how they'd handle cutscenes and whatnot...

So I might as well say it over here.

The third party poll has resumed it's development but some changes had to happen. Originally I was going to do exactly the same kind of poll. I'd give character choices for every new IP. For the first party poll, that had a clear beginning and end, so it was easily doable.

But third parties are literally endless. I couldn't do it. I either had to change the poll or not release it. Returning franchises will still have lots of characters to choose from. But new franchises will be done in a different way from here on.

Each company will have a page with all their IPs on it. I will be asking what IP you want to get a character in Smash. It's not as exact as it was before and I know we wouldn't get as much detailed data as before. But it was too big to do at the scale I was attempting. At least it was too big to do on my own.

So yeah, when the third party poll is out, you'll be voting for characters with returning franchises and IPs for brand new franchises.

Any questions or concerns?

If I may ask, I don't suppose that list of Namco IPs I listed for you helped in any way?

 

[Oracle Link]

I DO think that if Smash Bros. were to ever add a Pokémon CHAMPION as a playable character? Cynthia's almost definitely going to be that champion.

What about blue/green?
Hes the first champion for like 3 minutes!

 

[DarthEnderX]

But they had to play it safe all throughout Ultimate because they were only adding a small amount of newcomers in the base, FP1, and FP2.

Ah yes. Because when I think of playing it safe, I think of Piranha Plant.

We already know that a new Mario Kart is coming, and given how much Mario Kart 8 Deluxe sold it's clear that they'll sell a crapton of units with Mario Kart 9 alone

I mean, it's not like a crapton of people bought the WiiU because of Mario Kart 8 alone.

How much did Darth pay you to say this?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ngl, I sort of figured something like that or Namco's 'X' games would be how they'd handle cutscenes and whatnot...



If I may ask, I don't suppose that list of Namco IPs I listed for you helped in any way?

Yes they did.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Where will the poll be?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Tagging Verde Coeden Scalesworth on that one because she's been around SmashBoards since the dawn of time

I actually don't know since I wasn't in the Melee boards during that time.

Considering we have a user here with shirtless Wario with "W" nipples as his profile pic, I'd wager an official image of Thicc Kong would be allowed. lol

Keep in mind a lot of times people don't report things. So it's likely it's okay, but there's always that chance.

If you're not sure, just ask a Moderator/Admin. A lot of stuff gets swept under the radar because people aren't keen on simply reporting a potential issue. Common everywhere, though.

 

[dream1ng]

I mean, it's not like a crapton of people bought the WiiU because of Mario Kart 8 alone.

Are you really trying to argue Mario Kart isn't a killer app on the basis of the Wii U not selling well?

 

[BrawlX10]

I played Ys IX a few months ago and i'm all for Adol Cristin joining the battle.
White Cat as an assist trophy would be cool too, however i have no idea what Ys game will they focus on....Ys X peraphs? In that case i guess the girl party member from Ys X probably has more chances to show up as AT. (Havent played Ys X).

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Are you really trying to argue Mario Kart isn't a killer app on the basis of the Wii U not selling well?

I argue that Wii U would've even less than it did without it. I remember boosting sales a crap ton beyond what it was initially

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

What about blue/green?
Hes the first champion for like 3 minutes!

Did you forget about Lance?

I actually don't know since I wasn't in the Melee boards during that time.

Damn, I did everything I can do, then.

I mean, it's not like a crapton of people bought the WiiU because of Mario Kart 8 alone.

...Did you seriously look at the best-selling Wii U game and think "yeah, that's not a killer app"?

What sort of arbitrary gatekeeping do you have for the definition of a "killer app"?
Can one even exist in your eyes if a console sold less than X million units?

I argue that Wii U would've even less than it did without it. I remember boosting sales a crap ton beyond what it was initially

People got a free game if they bought the OG Mario Kart 8. People like Mario Kart. People like free stuff. It's perfect.

 

[Gengar84]

I think what Darth was trying to say is Mario Kart alone isn’t enough to guarantee a console’s success. Wii U was a huge failure despite having a brand new Mario Kart game. Not that Mario Kart isn’t a huge console seller but that you usually need more than just one big game. I don’t want to speak for him though, that’s just how I interpreted it. I think that argument is logical.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think what Darth was trying to say is Mario Kart alone isn’t enough to guarantee a console’s success. Wii U was a huge failure but had a Mario Kart game. Not that Mario Kart isn’t a huge console seller but that you usually need more than just one big game. I don’t want to speak for him though, that’s just how I interpreted it. I think that argument is logical.

And Riley's argument was likely that Mario Kart would always be one of the higher-selling games of any given console when even a failure like the Wii U has it up there, and the Switch 2 is unlikely to be an exception. If it ever is though, this would speak more of the games that topped it than of Mario Kart itself.

 

[Gengar84]

And Riley's argument was likely that Mario Kart would always be one of the higher-selling games of any given console when even a failure like the Wii U has it up there, and the Switch 2 is unlikely to be an exception. If it ever is though, this would speak more of the games that topped it than of Mario Kart itself.

Oh, then that’s true too. I guess I missed that part. I think it’s pretty much a given that Mario Kart will be one of the best selling games on any given console but it isn’t a guarantee for that console’s success in general.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Oh, then that’s true too. I guess I missed that part. I think it’s pretty much a given that Mario Kart will be one of the best selling games on any given console but it isn’t a guarantee for that console’s success in general.

It's not a guarantee, that is true, but it'll also never be the reason why a console failed either.

Mario Kart, Smash and Pokemon are too consistent as killer apps to ever be anything else. I would argue Splatoon is as well given the only one below 10 million units sold is the first one and even then, it sold damn well for a Wii U game but its sales history isn't as long as those other three.

 

[Gengar84]

It's not a guarantee, that is true, but it'll also never be the reason why a console failed either.

Mario Kart, Smash and Pokemon are too consistent as killer apps to ever be anything else. I would argue Splatoon is as well given the only one below 10 million units sold is the first one and even then, it sold damn well for a Wii U game but its sales history isn't as long as those other three.

What if, hypothetically speaking, Mario Kart 9 and Pokemon Gen 10 come out and are absolutely terrible to the point that no one can really argue it? I don’t think that scenario is likely but it could be a big part of why a console might fail.

 

[fogbadge]

What if, hypothetically speaking, Mario Kart 9 and Pokemon Gen 10 come out and are absolutely terrible to the point that no one can really argue it? I don’t think that scenario is likely but it could be a big part of why a console might fail.

sure but as far as hypotheticals go that’s really out there

 

[Gengar84]

sure but as far as hypotheticals go that’s really out there

Pokémon seems to be well on its way but even though there’s a lot of negative criticism, it’s still selling like crazy so I’m not sure what it could possibly take for the games not to sell. So yeah, I don’t see that scenario as likely at all.

 

[fogbadge]

Pokémon seems to be well on its way but even though there’s a lot of negative criticism, it’s still selling like crazy so I’m not sure what it could possibly take for the games not to sell. So yeah, I don’t see that scenario as likely at all.

let’s just hope that extra year of cooking does gen 10 some good

 

[Thegameandwatch]

It's not a guarantee, that is true, but it'll also never be the reason why a console failed either.

Mario Kart, Smash and Pokemon are too consistent as killer apps to ever be anything else. I would argue Splatoon is as well given the only one below 10 million units sold is the first one and even then, it sold damn well for a Wii U game but its sales history isn't as long as those other three.

Also Zelda since every home console has at least one game in the top ten with the Wii being the exception (TP is 13th).

Pokemon Gen 10 come out and are absolutely terrible to the point that no one can really argue it?

Pokemon is still going to sell well regardless of quality and games being more controversial at this point.

 

[DarthEnderX]

...Did you seriously look at the best-selling Wii U game and think "yeah, that's not a killer app"?

Are you really trying to argue Mario Kart isn't a killer app on the basis of the Wii U not selling well?

The argument that was being made was that Mario Kart on it's own is enough to sell a "crapton" of an entirely new console.

The WiiU proves that isn't true. Because it never sold a crapton of units, despite having Mario Kart 8.

I'm saying Mario Kart alone can't support the Switch 2 for it's entire first year.

I argue that Wii U would've even less than it did without it.

Of course it would. But it wasnt' able to support the WiiU all on it's own. As evidenced by the fact that...it didn't.

I think what Darth was trying to say is Mario Kart alone isn’t enough to guarantee a console’s success. Wii U was a huge failure despite having a brand new Mario Kart game.

Exactly correct.

It's not a guarantee, that is true, but it'll also never be the reason why a console failed either.

Good thing nobody said it was then.

 

[Gengar84]

let’s just hope that extra year of cooking does gen 10 some good

Fingers crossed that Gen 10 will be great. At the very worst, I’ll still enjoy the initial playthrough just for discovering new Pokemon as I play. It’s just frustrating that the series could be so much more than it is. At least the new Digimon game is looking cool. I really liked Cyber Sleuth and Hacker’s Memory and this new game is even getting an English dub.

Something that kind of frustrates me is how much games sell on name brand alone despite their quality. For example, Xenoblade games look like they have a ton more effort put into them than Pokemon but sell only a small fraction of what Pokemon does. What incentive do these bigger games like Pokemon have to get better if people are going to buy them regardless of quality?

It’s also a bit weird that no other company has really gone all out with a big monster collecting and battling game to try to rival Pokemon. Most of the other games in the genre are pretty low budget. Maybe it’s for that exact reason because they don’t have Pokémon’s name brand and they’d be very unlikely to sell as well. Palworld seems to have done well for itself even if it’s not really the same genre.