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Really? Like you actually went to Daisy fans and said "Daisy should not be playable" or was it after she was revealed you then thought it was bad ... Or was it just a man I hope they don't make Daisy playable situation which I'd still need a "why" filled in cause why ..?
Just this game there were people who didn't want Ridley, Daisy, Chrom, Isabelle, Incineroar, Byleth, Steve, and Pyra & Mythra playable. Every character has detraction, but these were the more notable ones pre-inclusion. Piranha Plant and probably Terry would've been included too had they been more expected.
I just really don’t like Daisy. Surely everyone has characters they don’t like and wouldn’t want playable?
Was on the No-nsey train until i actually played Fortnite lol, I wouldn't mind him now and honestly think it'd be kind of hype to see him. If you think about it, having a massive video game crossover in the modern day that doesn't include him would be a little strange, considering how much of a media juggernaut Fortnite has become. It's like, THE big video game in a lot of people's eyes and has had enough time to cement itself into the greater gaming landscape that you can't find someone who wouldn't recognize him, even if they end up calling him "guy from fortnite" or "fortnight phillip" or whatever.Have people not wanted a character? Yeah... yeah that's happened.
Off the top of my head, may I introduce you to this guy?
Daisy has a shockingly loud hatebase. She seems to be a character of two extremes, people who really love her and people who really hate her, with the two often fueling each other.
Really? Don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone else
Hasn't be that long already? Haven't heard Memoryman in years
Fascinating. No personally I don't know of a single character I wouldn't want playable. To each there own as they say.
Maybe on Smashboards where ever is off in their own support threads, it isn't as noticeable. But most over on to GameFAQs and yeah, Daisy is a massive mixed back. It's probably more targeted at Daisy fans rather than Daisy herself but the "Hi I'm Daisy." Is a bit weird
I have big "alright let's get it over with" energy about Jonesy. I don't really want him but I acknowledge that Fortnite is Fortnite so I get it. If he gets in I'm not going to raise a stink, but I'm not going to cheer either.
From a human perspective I think it's stranger to not dislike any potential character. People don't like everything and that's fine as long as you aren't telling others what and what not to like. Appreciating that others like them doesn't mean you have to as well. But all the power to you.
My experience is most people here don't care if you disparage a character before they got in. They may disagree and offer a counterargument, but overall you can dislike a candidate pretty freely. But then if you do it afterwards the dogpile will come after you.
I view having him in smash as similarly to how i view Sora being in smash.
Well, see for me Smash is a fighting game first ... So whether Character gets in is entirely irrelevant for me because they're another chance to play the fighting game with their uniqueness and see how they compare to everyone else ... That's the thing I look for in fighters... The added bonus to Smash is that these fighters are mapped onto famous video game sprites as opposed to OGs like literally every other fighter that isn't an all star fighter so that's why I think it's unusual to actively not want whatever character because who knows maybe they're fun to use! But then we get into character hate which I realize exists and that's just wasted effort IMHO to experience hate towards a video game character or to actively be worried they may get it the game over your most wanted as if that's how any of this works.
I acknowledge that it is irrational
Definitely different here. For me, Smash is crossover first. I can play anyone and enjoy it. I get more joy from playing the characters I like. So just whether or not I like the character or not is a big factor if I want them in Smash or not.
This isn't super relevant to the rest of your point, but I feel like "I can play anyone and enjoy it" has less to do with any crossover appeal and more just game design. Most fighting games want all their fighters to be enjoyable to play, I imagine.
How can I get excited about a fighting game that's still 900+ fighters away from EiH?
Hey now. Not EVERY game was better in the sprite era. Mario Kart, Pilotwings, F-Zero...those games were ROUGH on the SNES, and really blossomed in 3D.
Man, I wish Isabelle had her voice in Smash Bros.
One of the most baffling sound design choices to me, I hope that's mended next game. Her animalese has become so iconic by now that it just seems like one of her defining traits is absent. I wouldn't go as far to say that it doesn't feel like you're actually playing as Isabelle or anything, but it does make her feel like sort of an empty husk. That's Villager's thing!
Jigglypuff, Dr. Mario, Young Link, Pichu, Roy, Ice Climbers, Game & Watch, Sheik, ROB, Zero Suit Samus, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Wii Fit Trainer, Robin, Corrin, Piranha Plant, Incineroar, Ridley, Byleth.
Pokken and ARMS both have EiH energy because neither franchise ever cut anyone
voices have to be the easiest things to fix, and it's funny because they're the most annoying examples of flaws in Smash Bros. There's a lot to be improved in this department, since characters have either wrong voices like Bowser and the DK crew, absent voices like Olimar, Mega Man, and Isabelle, or voice clips that are just... too old / low energy for Smash like Mario's and Wario's. It's not like they don't have the budget to re-record basically everything, lol
Well this is gonna have to happen next game anyway since Charles Martinet retired, so I suspect they'll probably be reworking a handful of character voices. Hopefully in the process they may reconsider the entire Mario cast - and while they're at it, I think we've worn out the Brawl victory themes by now too. I'm not saying everything needs to be changed, but some of these sound clips have been unchanged for three games and it's beginning to be felt. Maybe with a smaller roster more time and budget can be put toward this.
Do you really expect any fighting game to have 1000 fighters at launch? Or ever? inb4mugen
Honestly? I'm beginning to realize that it might not be such a coincidence that I VASTLY prefer the immediate/'distant' sequels to just about all of the games you've listed here (MK: Double Dash!! (the distant sequel I was referring to just now, BTW), Pilotwings 64, F-Zero X).
While Isabelle not 'talking' is weird to me, both Captain Olimar and Alph feel just as, if not MORE jarring to me on this front.
I think these two should talk also, but I feel like there's a more identifiable reason for it. Not a GOOD reason, but a reason nonetheless, that the Pikmin are treated as the main focus and their voices can still be clearly heard. And perhaps they were concerned having Olimar make grunts on top of that would be too much? Rosalina and Luma beg to differ, so I don't think the logic holds up but at least someone is talking and this isn't a totally silent character.
Thankfully you will never get one.
"Everyone is here forever, but we also need to cut these specific fighters"
Alright, this is where I draw the line. Nobody is allowed to hate Mr. Game & Watch, unless you lost really bad to him one time.
Thank you for bringing up the victory themes, those could definitely use a good ol' refreshing too. A lot of Brawl victory themes are orchestral and elegant, and while those were nice for the time, they feel too serene nowadays, especially DK's.
No no, "Everyone is here forever, but only the fighters I like and these specific fighters should be erased from having been in at all."
I kinda prefer this option too actually, just because it's so punchy and in your face, but I can't help but laugh about how a decade ago DK fans would have had Sakurai's head on a stake for turning yet another DKC song into Jungle Hijinx lol
