Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Arcanir]

it changes how Nintendo would want to market their new console.

the reality is the majority of Nintendo's market is normies ; people for whom the technical details of how powerful a computer is mean nothing.

Therefore because the majority of the base is not looking for a next generation Switch , Nintendo will not market this upgraded Switch as such.

Nintendo will most likely market this next Generation Switch as a ; Switch Pro

Nothing about that has to do with timing though. The argument is around whether the Switch's successor could come out this year or next year, the points you bring up here don't address why Nintendo should release a new console this year over the next as those can just as easily be addressed next year or even later. In fact, you could make the counterargument that those points support the console coming out next year since they have a longer timeframe to market and prove that buying the 'Switch Pro' is a worthwhile investment over sticking to the regular Switch, which is a problem the Wii U ran into and Nintendo would likely try to avoid.

 

[MasterCheef]

Nothing about that has to do with timing though. The argument is around whether the Switch's successor could come out this year or next year, the points you bring up here don't address why Nintendo should release a new console this year over the next as those can just as easily be addressed next year or even later. In fact, you could make the counterargument that those points support the console coming out next year since they have a longer timeframe to market and prove that buying the 'Switch Pro' is a worthwhile investment over sticking to the regular Switch, which is a problem the Wii U ran into and Nintendo would likely try to avoid.

actually they have everything to do with timing

If Nintendo waas going to market the Next power upgraded switch the same as a next generation console the timing would reflect it.

Since Nintendo is not goinmg to market it as such the timing will be justifiably different.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Guys. We're never getting a Switch Pro.


We're getting the Switch U.

 

[fogbadge]

Guys. We're never getting a Switch Pro.


We're getting the Switch U.

almost certainly

 

[Swamp Sensei]

actually they have everything to do with timing

If Nintendo waas going to market the Next power upgraded switch the same as a next generation console the timing would reflect it.

Since Nintendo is not goinmg to market it as such the timing will be justifiably different.

You're going to have to explain what you mean a bit more. As you're saying it right now, you're equating two different things but not explaining why they're related.

 

[MasterCheef]

You're going to have to explain what you mean a bit more. As you're saying it right now, you're equating two different things but not explaining why they're related.

In short , the marketing campaign timing gap between a Next Generation console release and mid generaation refresh will be quite different

 

[Swamp Sensei]

In short , the marketing campaign timing gap between a Next Generation console release and mid generaation refresh will be quite different

Okay

Why?

 

[MasterCheef]

Okay

Why?

Well , Think about it. A new generation console means anyone who wants the new games has to buy one.

A mid generation refresh, not so much.

( Right now & neither next year ) Nintendo does not have the desire nor the game line-up to push the marketing of a new generation console.

A mid generation refresh as far as marketing goes is the optimal route.

more importantly a new significantly better powered console this year will allow Nintendo to take full advantage of their C.o.D. contract as well

 

[DarthEnderX]

We're getting the Switch U.

Switch D's.

 

[Perkilator]

Why would it be? The game restarted development 4 years ago. It's obvious that they still have nothing to show. 4 years is way too short to show anything from a game.

...Actually, that's plenty of time to create presentable material. Retro probably just wants to show it when they're comfortable.

 

[Sucumbio]

I believe he's making a point. What that is, I've no idea. Meanwhile I've decided to watch the Pokemon anime from the beginning. I'll see you all on the other side. @.@

 

[dream1ng]

it changes how Nintendo would want to market their new console.

the reality is the majority of Nintendo's market is normies ; people for whom the technical details of how powerful a computer is mean nothing.

Therefore because the majority of the base is not looking for a next generation Switch , Nintendo will not market this upgraded Switch as such.

Nintendo will most likely market this next Generation Switch as a ; Switch Pro

-> normies don't care about power upgrades
-> Nintendo will market this next gen Switch as a pro model... a more powerful upgrade

wat

Normies do care about whether a system is more powerful btw, they just don't understand/care about specs. If you say the next Switch will have a custom Tegra T234 based on Ampere GPU with DLSS 2.2, their eyes will glaze over. But if you say the next Switch will have better graphics, faster processing, longer battery and more storage, that will matter to some of them.

That was the entire conceit of "blast processing".

But, also, if you say it's not the next Switch, it's just the Switch Pro, normies will be less likely to buy something they think they already own, even if they have the weaker version. Because they're less invested. If you say it's the Switch 2, or something like that, normies will make the distinction that it's something that they in no way possess.

This was one of the Wii U's main problems, normies just thought it was more Wii.

You don't know what you're on about tbh.

( Right now & neither next year ) Nintendo does not have the desire nor the game line-up to push the marketing of a new generation console.

The big contradiction here is Nintendo's slate past July is completely empty, which
a) gives no info about their line-up to justify your assumptions
b) is, even for Nintendo standards, quiet, and
c) would be exactly how things would play out if there were to be a new unrevealed console coming, because those reveals won't preempt the system, they're going to be used in its marketing.

You would have a much stronger point if we were faced with the opposite: known holiday/2024 first-party Switch titles.

Btw they almost certainly do have big games far in development, such as whatever the Mario Kart and Odyssey teams are working on. It's also been a while since we've heard from Grezzo, Camelot and Nd Cube. Plus the nebulous MP4 could always be moved, and the Pokemon games are near annual.

And that's without the rumors of games like the EPD DK, Metroid 6, the FE remake, Astral Chain 2, and the Namco 3d action game (if it's not Baten Kaitos).

 

[fogbadge]

( Right now & neither next year ) Nintendo does not have the desire nor the game line-up to push the marketing of a new generation console.

did you hear this from your uncle?

I believe he's making a point. What that is, I've no idea. Meanwhile I've decided to watch the Pokemon anime from the beginning. I'll see you all on the other side. @.@

have fun. but i warn you now there's some characters in gens 3, 6 & 7 that'll make you want to beat you're head in

 

[Oracle Link]

How about Joronia as a playable Character for the Next Smash?
Weirdly enough you might never have heard of that character but its much more likely than you think!

 

[Megadoomer]

How about Joronia as a playable Character for the Next Smash?
Weirdly enough you might never have heard of that character but its much more likely than you think!

You could just say Queen Sectonia from Kirby, rather than giving an obscure name/pseudonym that people would have to Google or making it sound like you just made a character up.

 

[Oracle Link]

You could just say Queen Sectonia from Kirby, rather than giving an obscure name/pseudonym that people would have to Google or making it sound like you just made a character up.

I wanted to do a lil Trolling also i think Spider sectonia/ Joronia is more likely than Bee sectonia because she could be an alt for taranza!
I Just wanted to use the joronia name because i only just noticed it!

 

[Perkilator]

I think Queen Sectonia would make for a good boss.

 

[Oracle Link]

I think Queen Sectonia would make for a good boss.

Thats True sectonia would make for a great boss!
also i just quickly threw togehter a splash screen for VSM here:

Videospiel-Man from the (not yet) hit series Videospiel-Man Joins Smash!
He uses his Hey What im in Smash cool i bet the other version of me is jealous Anyways i can use my two Pixel Sabers for Cutting and slicing attacks! (THEY ARE NOT LEAVES GOD BEEEP) Aswell as my patented Pixel Stars that i throw like megamans Lemons although on my neutral special instead! But oh boy things get fun when i use my Omega Techniques aswell as my fabled Gold Form! Also Wait arent smash characters Toys? Am i real? Anyways i think i should just ignore that part! Anyways ... this is just wishful thinking Mist!

 

[Sucumbio]

have fun. but i warn you now there's some characters in gens 3, 6 & 7 that'll make you want to beat you're head in

Lol I'm 10 episodes deep into season 1 and already have a dent in my forehead.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Lol I'm 10 episodes deep into season 1 and already have a dent in my forehead.

Brock or Misty?

 

[Sucumbio]

Brock or Misty?

Team Rocket hahaha it's like omg every time they show they have to do their intro and it's hilarious. I think one episode they literally just showed up to do that and immediately blasted off afterwards lol!

 

[fogbadge]

Team Rocket hahaha it's like omg every time they show they have to do their intro and it's hilarious. I think one episode they literally just showed up to do that and immediately blasted off afterwards lol!

erm you may have to be prepared to hear that a lot. also i think they do that joke a lot to

 

[Hadokeyblade]

erm you may have to be prepared to hear that a lot. also i think they do that joke a lot to

And its funny 90% of the time.

 

[fogbadge]

And its funny 90% of the time.

only 90?

 

[Sucumbio]

I think I want a Team Rocket in Smash ... All 3 of them somehow integrated into a single character.

 

[Perkilator]

I’m working on a notepad for a hypothetical Kirby movie. I kept Makiko Ōmoto as Kirby’s VA because I didn’t want Kirby to speak in anything other than his baby talk.

 

[Gengar84]

I think I want a Team Rocket in Smash ... All 3 of them somehow integrated into a single character.

Yeah, that's what I've been saying. Team Rocket are by far the best part of the Pokemon anime and are one of the most iconic video game related characters out there. I think they would make an awesome addition to Smash as a team. My only request is that they bring back the 4Kids voice actor for James at least (Eric Stewart). I liked his original voice a lot better than the modern one. Jessie's would be great too but her newer voice actress is also good. Unfortunately, Meowth's original voice actress has passed.

 

[Super Devon]

Here's a fun question that came to mind:
You get to choose one of the Four Champions from Zelda Breath of the Wild to be playable in the next Smash, but you also have to pick another one as an assist trophy, who would you pick?

 

[DarthEnderX]

Here's a fun question that came to mind:
You get to choose one of the Four Champions from Zelda Breath of the Wild to be playable in the next Smash, but you also have to pick another one as an assist trophy, who would you pick?

I want to pick Urbosa as playable, but I think she's, like, the only one that would make a good AT. Having her show up, snap her fingers and hit someone with lightning, is a good AT.

So I'd pick Revali for the fighter. Archery based moveset. Lotsa flying recovery. He'd be good.

 

[fogbadge]

Here's a fun question that came to mind:
You get to choose one of the Four Champions from Zelda Breath of the Wild to be playable in the next Smash, but you also have to pick another one as an assist trophy, who would you pick?

id go with mipha being playable and daruk being AT

 

[Gengar84]

I’d say that Urbosa and Mipha are my two favorites. Between the two, I like Urbosa more as a character but Mipha has the more interesting and unique moveset. I’d go with Mipha as playable and Urbosa as the assist. Revali is cool but he looks too similar to Falco visually and Pit already does the winged archer theme. Darruk was my favorite to use in Age of Calamity and he could be fun too.

Another interesting idea could be getting BotW Zelda as a separate character or even replace the existing moveset and she could use the Champions for different specials. Kind of like how many envision Crono working with his dual techs. This could allow for all of the champions to get representation while buffing Zelda at the same time. Choosing just a single Champion almost feels as weird as a single character from Octopath Traveller as they are all equally important but I’d be happy either way.

 

[Soy_Man]

Here's a fun question that came to mind:
You get to choose one of the Four Champions from Zelda Breath of the Wild to be playable in the next Smash, but you also have to pick another one as an assist trophy, who would you pick?

I want playable Daruk. Because goron. I guess Mipha can be an AT, idrc.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Here's a fun question that came to mind:
You get to choose one of the Four Champions from Zelda Breath of the Wild to be playable in the next Smash, but you also have to pick another one as an assist trophy, who would you pick?

I actually haven't played Botw, but based on design alone I'd go with Mipha, just because having a trident based characters with water attacks sounds interesting. For AT I feel like anything would work, but I'd go with Daruk just because Goron are very iconic.

 

[Oracle Link]

I’m working on a notepad for a hypothetical Kirby movie. I kept Makiko Ōmoto as Kirby’s VA because I didn’t want Kirby to speak in anything other than his baby talk.
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i think kirby should talk obviosly in a voice similar to lumalee ergo a young childs voice!
Also yeah the movie should 100% be a adventure movie otherwise we dont have a meta knight a Unpossesd Dedede and a Creppy Demon Battle in one Movie! (Also Adventure is obviously the second kirby game) But i would still incorparte ideas from Dreamland like i would cut the regular bosses from Adventure (asside from shine and bright) in favor of Lololo LAlala and Kabula!

 

[Aligo]

I think I want a Team Rocket in Smash ... All 3 of them somehow integrated into a single character.

Imagine the confusion when someone who isn't them gets star KO'd.

 

[Gengar84]

Imagine the confusion when someone who isn't them gets star KO'd.

Lol yeah. Team Rocket has the absolute best possible Star KO out of anyone I think. It’s funny to imagine seeing someone else blasting off. The question is whether Team Rocket would say the full “Looks like Team Rocket’s blasting off again!” or a shortened “We’re blasting off again!” for their own Star KO.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Lol yeah. Team Rocket has the absolute best possible Star KO out of anyone I think. It’s funny to imagine seeing someone else blasting off. The question is whether Team Rocket would say the full “Looks like Team Rocket’s blasting off again!” or a shortened “We’re blasting off again!” for their own Star KO.

Well, the Narrator in Smash can easily do the former, but I think the latter's funnier. And a little faster, which works since the game is generally more fast-paced than it used to be~

 

[Gengar84]

I’m kind of surprised we don’t have a summoner style character in Smash yet. The basic idea is they physically fight themselves but summon various units for their specials. Usually, this would be a simple strike but some could stay on the field for a while like Dedede’s Waddle Dees or used as traps like Snake’s mines. I was hoping they’d go that route with Joker but he ended up completely different than I was imagining.

Team Rocket’s another fun possibility since they can fight with a combination of their gadgets and Pokémon. They’d be physically on the field which separates their style from Pokémon Trainer. They’d still tag out between Jessie and James but both would use Meowth for some attacks and their own unique Pokémon for others.

Some other great options are Yuna from FFX, Garnet from FFIX, and Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft. Yuna and Garnet are self explanatory but Kerrigan could summon Zerg units by utilizing a resource similar to Hero’s MP meant to represent minerals and vespian gas from the game. Crono and Officer Howard are two other great options for a similar style. Dixie Kong and the Animal Buddies are another fun idea I’ve brought up as well.

 

[Aligo]

I’m kind of surprised we don’t have a summoner style character in Smash yet. I was hoping they’d go that route with Joker but he ended up completely different than I was imagining.

Team Rocket’s another fun possibility since they can fight with a combination of their gadgets and Pokémon. They’d be physically on the field which separates their style from Pokémon Trainer. They’d still tag out between Jessie and James but both would use Meowth for some attacks and their own unique Pokémon for others.

Some other great options are Yuna from FFX, Garnet from FFIX, and Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft. Yuna and Garnet are self explanatory but Kerrigan could summon Zerg units by utilizing a resource similar to Hero’s MP meant to represent minerals and vespian gas from the game. Crono and Officer Howard are two other great options for a similar style. Dixie Kong and the Animal Buddies are another fun idea I’ve brought up as well.

This might be a somewhat take, but would duck hunt class a a summoner? All three of his projectiles are non-standard and can be interacted with, which plays heavily into his game plan.

 

[Gengar84]

This might be a somewhat take, but would duck hunt class a a summoner? All three of his projectiles are non-standard and can be interacted with, which plays heavily into his game plan.

Yeah, I could see them fitting in that category actually. Technically Pac-Man too. They’re a little different than I was imagining because each just summon stationary NES style sprites rather than a fully animated model but the idea is the same.