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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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monster collecting games on nintendo consoles apart from pokemon include: digimon, yokai watch, monster rancher, world of FF, KH dream drop distance, monster hunter stories, persona, i presume shin megamui tensai, ni no kuni, DQ monsters and about an absurd amount more



it's great isn't it?
It is. I love the cool new Digimon. I'm hoping we get more data on many, like ShinMonzaemon. We don't even know its attribute or moves. It just "exists" so far. Maybe it'll show up later in Digimon Ghost Game? It would fit, due to its own profile(taking in nightmare analysis data).

And yes, SMT includes monster collecting. I don't know if it's every single one(but I know that it basically is the first one to have it in general, which inspired Pokemon and Digimon overall).
 
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It is. I love the cool new Digimon. I'm hoping we get more data on many, like ShinMonzaemon. We don't even know its attribute or moves. It just "exists" so far. Maybe it'll show up later in Digimon Ghost Game? It would fit, due to its own profile(taking in nightmare analysis data).

And yes, SMT includes monster collecting. I don't know if it's every single one(but I know that it basically is the first one to have it in general, which inspired Pokemon and Digimon overall).
it would fit what with that nightmare fuel thing he has going

Pokémon was in development when the first SMT came out so you sure about that?
 

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It is. I love the cool new Digimon. I'm hoping we get more data on many, like ShinMonzaemon. We don't even know its attribute or moves. It just "exists" so far. Maybe it'll show up later in Digimon Ghost Game? It would fit, due to its own profile(taking in nightmare analysis data).

And yes, SMT includes monster collecting. I don't know if it's every single one(but I know that it basically is the first one to have it in general, which inspired Pokemon and Digimon overall).
Okay, hear me out: as an April Fools joke, they make Angelamon canon.
 

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If we ever get a Thracia 776 remake, I hope they rework the Capture mechanic to be more like Fates'. I'm a sucker for these types of mechanics in games (for example, my favorite Skylanders game is Trap Team because it had that as the main gimmick).
It certainly was interesting in Fates, with how you could actually capture and spare some notable non-main characters. And I mean, if it does get expanded upon in a Thracia remake, the reasoning could be in order to potentially save one of the notably hardest bosses in the game that became a famous powerhouse and meme in Fire Emblem Heroes from dying, since they were non-recruitable in their home game.

You know, speaking of monster collecting, it's not exactly the same, but seeing the mentions of Digimon and other collecting games, I'm reminded of Medabots, especially the GBA games that focused upon Medabot part collecting. And those games are on the Wii U Virtual Console.
 

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It certainly was interesting in Fates, with how you could actually capture and spare some notable non-main characters. And I mean, if it does get expanded upon in a Thracia remake, the reasoning could be in order to potentially save one of the notably hardest bosses in the game that became a famous powerhouse and meme in Fire Emblem Heroes from dying, since they were non-recruitable in their home game.

You know, speaking of monster collecting, it's not exactly the same, but seeing the mentions of Digimon and other collecting games, I'm reminded of Medabots, especially the GBA games that focused upon Medabot part collecting. And those games are on the Wii U Virtual Console.
The game also got a Switch port but it's only in Japan.

I imported a physical copy of it for my switch collection a while back.
 

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It certainly was interesting in Fates, with how you could actually capture and spare some notable non-main characters. And I mean, if it does get expanded upon in a Thracia remake, the reasoning could be in order to potentially save one of the notably hardest bosses in the game that became a famous powerhouse and meme in Fire Emblem Heroes from dying, since they were non-recruitable in their home game.

You know, speaking of monster collecting, it's not exactly the same, but seeing the mentions of Digimon and other collecting games, I'm reminded of Medabots, especially the GBA games that focused upon Medabot part collecting. And those games are on the Wii U Virtual Console.
I only ever saw the show
 

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it would fit what with that nightmare fuel thing he has going

Pokémon was in development when the first SMT came out so you sure about that?
Honestly, I forgot some of that. However, looking more closely, only some stuff inspired Pokemon later on at best. Bug Collecting was its inspiration(to create the Pokemon series). That said, the original game that came out among the Megami Tensei series was in 1987, so it's well before Pokemon was even in the conceptual stages. Likewise, there's nothing suggesting that Pokemon in itself was inspired by it. I was misremembering my details. Apologies.

There is bits that do however come up; Breeding in itself was not done anywhere else before SMT. Pokemon just did a lighter take on it compared to Digimon and Dragon Quest Monsters. In Pokemon, you just get a new monster. In DQM and Digimon, you lose the old monsters(though in different ways). DQM has the parents leave(most likely due to the extremely small amount of "boxes" in-game that you can keep an amount of monsters in?) and Digimon actually follows it exactly; you fuse two monsters to get a new one entirely, which is identical to how it works in SMT. I haven't seen enough of the Digimon jogresses in action to really tell how they handle stuff like giving you proper information, etc. So I can't really describe which did the concept better.
 
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Hmmmm the Pokemon question. Smash is one of the few places where Pokemon gets a AAA budget and with such player interactivity to boot so I'd be very particular about which ones I chose. Just a quick aside Gamefreak/Creatures are disgustingly greedy and are facilitated in this depraved greed by Nintendo.

Moving on, so when it comes to Pokemon representation I think there are certain frameworks I'd stick to. Namely that Gen 1 gets multiple reps and basically no one else does. This could change as things oftentimes do but since it hasn't I'm gonna stay within this realm of reason that it won't and it's because Gen 1 is Gen 1 with it launching the franchise so its legacy cannot be seriously questioned. If this were to change I'd simply just start going down the line starting with Gen 2 and logically working your way through there.

That still leaves Gen 3, Gen 5 and now Gen 8 without representation which I legitimately believe should actually be addressed. Well I guess now Gen 9 too but whatever I don't really care to address that yet.

So for Gen 3 I'd choose Sceptile. Very popular Pokemon and at the very least competes well enough with Blaziken as the most popular fully evolved starter from that litter of mon. This completes the fully evolved grass/water/fire starter equation if Greninja and Incineroar stay. Some may think this trifecta is arbitrary but meh it'd cool so whatever.

Gen 5 seems obvious that it should be Zoroark. This is where I start losing my sense of desire for mon and I only have a very loose sense of attachment to Gen 4 but with that being said Zoroark seems like the clear people's chose in this generation. When I look at the candidates here nobody really stands out as viable as much as Zoroark does. Also to me, it seems like Zoroark has a sort of parallel thing going on with Lucario in their designs. I don't know how Zoroark is treated within their generation but my guess is they're not treated quite as special as Lucario was in theirs so I don't know how much the Pokemon company really cares about Zoroark or what would push Sakurai and team over the edge in implementing them. I guess if they do they already have their Final Smash does courtesy of the Assist Trophy.

Gen 8 seems like it should be Urshifu. To me nobody else really stands out that is also viable for Smash other than the starters and if you do that then you basically have to go with the soccer fire bunny and meh I don't think Smash needs any more fully evolved fire starters or at least not another one so soon. You could replace Incineroar with the soccer fire bunny but then Gen 7 would be without their only rep. Urshifu could have a stance-switch system as either a Shield-Special or a Down-Special so at least that'd be interesting. The design stands out very well and while I love Banjo we could do for at least one more bear in Smash since it's such a popular animal.

For my final one I wanna address Gen 2. I hate that Pichu counts as the rep. Pichu should be simple auxiliary representation alongside a unique Gen 2 fighter... Or 2? For Gen 2's rep I'd like to revisit the Pokemon trainer design with Bug Pokemon Trainer. Pokemon was created out of the dude's love for collecting bugs so it's all the more fitting for the next Pokemon trainer to be centered around the bug-type mon. I'd of course choose Scizor and Heracross as the Pokemon in this trainer's kit. 2 very popular mon from this generation, both bug and both I think could be designed around each other with Scizor being the lighter/faster DPS damage dealer with Heracross being the slower/heavier kill finisher.
 
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Honestly, I forgot some of that. However, looking more closely, only some stuff inspired Pokemon later on at best. Bug Collecting was its inspiration(to create the Pokemon series). That said, the original game that came out among the Megami Tensei series was in 1987, so it's well before Pokemon was even in the conceptual stages. Likewise, there's nothing suggesting that Pokemon in itself was inspired by it. I was misremembering my details. Apologies.

There is bits that do however come up; Breeding in itself was not done anywhere else before SMT. Pokemon just did a lighter take on it compared to Digimon and Dragon Quest Monsters. In Pokemon, you just get a new monster. In DQM and Digimon, you lose the old monsters(though in different ways). DQM has the parents leave(most likely due to the extremely small amount of "boxes" in-game that you can keep an amount of monsters in?) and Digimon actually follows it exactly; you fuse two monsters to get a new one entirely, which is identical to how it works in SMT. I haven't seen enough of the Digimon jogresses in action to really tell how they handle stuff like giving you proper information, etc. So I can't really describe which did the concept better.
personally i found the fusing in persona rather underwhelming, actually the whole monster collecting aspect felt shallow to me but anyway my point was that at least when digimon, yo-kai watch and on occasion do fusion it does look like a fusion of the components. mostly. still i get what they were doing with the fusing in persona but still
 

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personally i found the fusing in persona rather underwhelming, actually the whole monster collecting aspect felt shallow to me but anyway my point was that at least when digimon, yo-kai watch and on occasion do fusion it does look like a fusion of the components. mostly. still i get what they were doing with the fusing in persona but still
I saw the fusing in SMT(not Persona, a different series. Please don't conflate them as the same) as more of a means to just get another Monster. Also, Digimon heavily does the same kind as SMT, where there's nothing related in the new version at all. At most, kind of thematically similar, if that. For instance, Myotismon can DNA with SkullKnightmon to become Lucemon Falldown Mode. What do they have in common? ...Nothing beyond being evil Digimon generally. So while it does happen, those DNA/Jogress's are only used in the anime because they make some sense overall. The combination of both parts tell a better story, and more importantly, it's because both Tamers specifically connect to each other and are in-sync.

The games don't bother with that as a requirement because it didn't originally matter anyway. Even Digimon Fusion doesn't always care. Machinedramon can take in the data of SkullScorpiomon and... turns crimson red. That's it. It wasn't even treated as a regular Digifuse, but to be fair, Digifuse is actually meant to be "both parts are visible" more than DNA/Jogress is(which can be whatever the hell the creators want. Even Omnimon is more special, treated as a Fusion instead of a DNA/Jogress).

I think at most SMT's fusing is meant that there's some kind of traits of each, which could be stats or abilities that make sense for the new demon? So closer to more pure gameplay factors than anything else. That said, even among Season 2's DNA/Jogresses, Shakkoumon does not look like a combination of parts, but is purely a robotic angel design, which is cause it's a combination of an angel and an armored Dinosaur of sorts. So theme played more of a role there.
 

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I saw the fusing in SMT(not Persona, a different series. Please don't conflate them as the same) as more of a means to just get another Monster. Also, Digimon heavily does the same kind as SMT, where there's nothing related in the new version at all. At most, kind of thematically similar, if that. For instance, Myotismon can DNA with SkullKnightmon to become Lucemon Falldown Mode. What do they have in common? ...Nothing beyond being evil Digimon generally. So while it does happen, those DNA/Jogress's are only used in the anime because they make some sense overall. The combination of both parts tell a better story, and more importantly, it's because both Tamers specifically connect to each other and are in-sync.

The games don't bother with that as a requirement because it didn't originally matter anyway. Even Digimon Fusion doesn't always care. Machinedramon can take in the data of SkullScorpiomon and... turns crimson red. That's it. It wasn't even treated as a regular Digifuse, but to be fair, Digifuse is actually meant to be "both parts are visible" more than DNA/Jogress is(which can be whatever the hell the creators want. Even Omnimon is more special, treated as a Fusion instead of a DNA/Jogress).

I think at most SMT's fusing is meant that there's some kind of traits of each, which could be stats or abilities that make sense for the new demon? So closer to more pure gameplay factors than anything else. That said, even among Season 2's DNA/Jogresses, Shakkoumon does not look like a combination of parts, but is purely a robotic angel design, which is cause it's a combination of an angel and an armored Dinosaur of sorts. So theme played more of a role there.
shakkoumon was the reason why I said mostly. I think the idea was holy + armour. btw when did they do that with with myotismon and skull knightmon? That is very random. Anyway the likes of piaildramon silphymon and the vast majority of digimon fusions did look like combinations. I’ll grant you there’s a few like ghoulmon and boultbomon that don’t quite seem like it but they still seem apt. Again though this is my own perspective on things
 
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That still leaves Gen 3, Gen 5 and now Gen 8 without representation which I legitimately believe should actually be addressed. Well I guess now Gen 9 too but whatever I don't really care to address that yet.
While I don't agree that every gen needs a rep, I still have comments on your choices.

For gen 3, Blaziken and Gardevoir have my support. I feel Blaziken has been more consistently popular and more favored in the marketing; it's gotten pretty good treatment by TPC/GF overall. Plus it could probably be implemented for less resources than anyone else via borrowing from C. Falcon if that's the way they wanted to go with it (tho it could also be made unique). Gardevoir is arguably the most popular mon of the gen, appears regularly, etc. as well. I would be cool with Sceptile/Grovyle if they for some reason plan to pivot from marketing Blaziken to marketing Sceptile more, but I like the Blaziken/Gardevoir choices better.
There is also Rayquaza who is mega-popular in this gen but most likely they would have some implementation issues with that; still worth mentioning tho and would've been great to at least get it as a boss again if it can't be playable. Part of me keeps trying in my head to imagine Rayquaza working somehow but if Sakurai had issues with Ridley for so long then it probably wouldn't ever happen for RQ.
Lastly, if the priority was to give every gen a rep then you could go for clone choices like the aforementioned Blaziken clone or something like a Salamence clone of Zard to ease on resources.

Gen 5 I agree that it would be Zoroark, but this is again a gen where I don't think it needs a rep. It's weird cuz in gen 5 they went so hard on making an especially large quantity of new mons but none of them have really reached the popularity or marketing heights that others have who are also not in Smash.

Gen 8 again I don't think it necessarily needs a rep, but there are some candidates who are at least relatively interesting. I also don't want the fire bunny and think that it fails to stand out amongst starters from the older gens. Like, if we got another fire starter I'd easily take Typhlosion or Blaziken over it. Idk how much stock you put into the fan polls and such but it seems like Dragapult or Toxtricity would be the "fan picks" from this gen; they wouldn't be terrible but again I simply much prefer several options from the older gens over them.

Edit: Urshifu: I think it would be kinda weird to rep a gen with something that only came as post-launch DLC but that's just me. It'd be alright but again I much prefer the older-gen options.
 
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shakkoumon was the reason why I said mostly. I think the idea was holy + armour. btw when did they do that with with myotismon and skull knightmon? That is very random. Anyway the likes of piaildramon silphymon and the vast majority of digimon fusions did look like combinations. I’ll grant you there’s a few like ghoulmon and boultbomon that don’t quite seem like it but they still seem apt. Again though this is my own perspective on things
Looking at it, it's a Digifuse instead, from one of the Virtual Pets. But yeah, like I said, it's not common in the anime either.

The games and manga don't always follow that either way. Which makes sense, as there's often no reason to. Very specific DNA's are story-based, not simply just an option, so a good story justifies them, etc as I said before.

Also, DinoBeemon is another neat one who is the opposite of Paildramon. Interestingly enough the opposing DNA also exists for the 02 characters. Angemon can use Ankylomon to go into MagnaAngemon(which is an armored angel still), and Angewomon comes from Gatomon and Aquilamon(which in this case, is an angel with feathers, soooooo).

Yeah, if you only watch the anime, you'll see a pretty nice route for the DNA's. I like how proper they are, as they feel like natural combinations. Digifuses later work the same way in the anime. Do note that in the games, Digifuses basically are often just another DNA for all intents and purposes, so same rules apply. All 4 Dark Masters can become Apocalymon, for instance. Just like DNA'ing two members of the Dark Masters would(though it depends which combination of Dark Masters as well). It's probably just their way to push the gimmick more and more, by making it "hey, it's just DNA again".
 

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Looking at it, it's a Digifuse instead, from one of the Virtual Pets. But yeah, like I said, it's not common in the anime either.

The games and manga don't always follow that either way. Which makes sense, as there's often no reason to. Very specific DNA's are story-based, not simply just an option, so a good story justifies them, etc as I said before.

Also, DinoBeemon is another neat one who is the opposite of Paildramon. Interestingly enough the opposing DNA also exists for the 02 characters. Angemon can use Ankylomon to go into MagnaAngemon(which is an armored angel still), and Angewomon comes from Gatomon and Aquilamon(which in this case, is an angel with feathers, soooooo).

Yeah, if you only watch the anime, you'll see a pretty nice route for the DNA's. I like how proper they are, as they feel like natural combinations. Digifuses later work the same way in the anime. Do note that in the games, Digifuses basically are often just another DNA for all intents and purposes, so same rules apply. All 4 Dark Masters can become Apocalymon, for instance. Just like DNA'ing two members of the Dark Masters would(though it depends which combination of Dark Masters as well). It's probably just their way to push the gimmick more and more, by making it "hey, it's just DNA again".
i always forget about the dark masters fusing to become apocalymon. That’s an odd one. Anyway I gave you two examples not in the anime. Also from the games is melliniumon who does look like a fusion of the digimon it’s made of. Even though neither of them existed at that point. The more loose fusions in some of the games is reflective of the franchise’s rather loose evolution paths. About as loose as the Mario or sonic canon.
 

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i always forget about the dark masters fusing to become apocalymon. That’s an odd one. Anyway I gave you two examples not in the anime. Also from the games is melliniumon who does look like a fusion of the digimon it’s made of. Even though neither of them existed at that point. The more loose fusions in some of the games is reflective of the franchise’s rather loose evolution paths. About as loose as the Mario or sonic canon.
Sonic canon is actually a bit stronger. XD But yeah, pretty much. Fun gameplay etc. It's also how I've done some of my own DNA's(like a Myotismon and WereGarurumon one called PlasmaGarurumon. A Vampire Werewolf). Said cape I made from scratch got reused for some of my other new sprites that aren't customs/edits, like my own Myotismon sprite, plus some variants of it called DenimMyotismon and Myotismon Hero Mode).

Maybe some day I should make an artwork topic for my sprites. XD

Anyway, I really hope we get something from Digimon next Smash. I'll take even an Agumon hat(which sucks that wasn't there at least). The Bandai part of Bandai Namco never seems to get acknowledged. On the other hand, it might just be that Sakurai wasn't looking at their materials as is for any NPC content?
 

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Sonic canon is actually a bit stronger. XD But yeah, pretty much. Fun gameplay etc. It's also how I've done some of my own DNA's(like a Myotismon and WereGarurumon one called PlasmaGarurumon. A Vampire Werewolf). Said cape I made from scratch got reused for some of my other new sprites that aren't customs/edits, like my own Myotismon sprite, plus some variants of it called DenimMyotismon and Myotismon Hero Mode).

Maybe some day I should make an artwork topic for my sprites. XD

Anyway, I really hope we get something from Digimon next Smash. I'll take even an Agumon hat(which sucks that wasn't there at least). The Bandai part of Bandai Namco never seems to get acknowledged. On the other hand, it might just be that Sakurai wasn't looking at their materials as is for any NPC content?
I would like to see that so please do

I certainly would love to see some digimon in smash
 

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So what does the Bandai side of Bandai Namco have?

Aside from Digimon the only other one i can think of is Super Robot Wars which is definitely never getting into smash due to how recently the series started getting releases outside of Japan.
 

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So what does the Bandai side of Bandai Namco have?

Aside from Digimon the only other one i can think of is Super Robot Wars which is definitely never getting into smash due to how recently the series started getting releases outside of Japan.
Doesn't it have Boktai as well?

I would like to see that so please do

I certainly would love to see some digimon in smash
Well, my Discord is still not at full power, so that makes it harder. I tend to post stuff there these days, heh(but it got hacked). Long story short, it's been a pain.
 

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Since Pokémon has been brought up so much lately, I just want to mention that while I was never interested in playing the games, I did watch the first few seasons of the Pokémon anime after seeing Pikachu and Jigglypuff in the first Smash Bros game. Being a Nintendo fan who was already familiar with series such as Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Star Fox, I wanted to at least familiarize myself with the new big Nintendo series that was going on at that time and watching the anime series was the easiest way for me to do that. Now every time I play the first Smash, I can't help but think of the Pokémon anime (specifically the first three seasons, as I slowly stopped watching it sometime after that).
 

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I know Estelle Bright is another JRPG character, but after getting to know Trails in the Sky a bit more I think she’s be a good pick for Falcom in Smash.
She's a fantastic pick imo.

The only real issue is how the Trails franchise is sooooo Japan centric and small-scale relative to most other franchises. It still takes years for the rest of the world to receive games released ages ago for Japan...
 

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Well there's also Digimon who's gotten a resurgance in recent years. Due to Switch ports of Cyber sleuth, Hackers memory and next order as well as Survive which came out a few months ago.
As well as the TCG and two anime series that came out in 2020 and 2021.

Thought i think there might be some licensing issues with Digimon sinc it's never really crossed over with anything outside of Tekken.
True Digimon would be neat although if they include Evoultion in Agumons Moveset that could get very Resource Intensive!
Also i hate the dub Names in Digimon! Like 90 % Of Digimon Words are already english Also im honestly more of a Patamon Fan!
 

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So what does the Bandai side of Bandai Namco have?

Aside from Digimon the only other one i can think of is Super Robot Wars which is definitely never getting into smash due to how recently the series started getting releases outside of Japan.
tamogotchi and a lot more VPs i believe
 

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What do you guys think of this moveset concept for the Octolings?
I really like it tbh. A lot of proposed Octoling movesets feel like “Inkling, but make them Steve”, focussing on the other type of moveset building where it’s cramming as many references in as possible, leaving the base Inkling moveset in the dust. Keeping the Octoling set parallel to the Inkling set drives home the point that they’re two sides of the same coin. The set still manages to incorporate hard-coded references in the throws with the Surge and Roll, but since they’re more understated they fit in well.

If one wanted to make the Octolings more unique, one could swap out the 96 Gal here for the E Litre 4K for a more defined ”heavyweight” playstyle (and doing more small things like swapping out the Tri-Slosher for the Heavy Splatling for more weapon type coverage), but I am glad to have found a take on the Octolings that keeps the parallel to Inklings intact and doesn’t try to reinvent the wheel when it comes to building a Splatoon moveset.
 

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Since Pokémon has been brought up so much lately, I just want to mention that while I was never interested in playing the games, I did watch the first few seasons of the Pokémon anime after seeing Pikachu and Jigglypuff in the first Smash Bros game. Being a Nintendo fan who was already familiar with series such as Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and Star Fox, I wanted to at least familiarize myself with the new big Nintendo series that was going on at that time and watching the anime series was the easiest way for me to do that. Now every time I play the first Smash, I can't help but think of the Pokémon anime (specifically the first three seasons, as I slowly stopped watching it sometime after that).
I think that's intentional, usually Smash takes from the Pokemon anime rather than the games.
It's why it's specifically Lucario from the movie and Ash's Greninja.
 

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I think that's intentional, usually Smash takes from the Pokemon anime rather than the games.
It's why it's specifically Lucario from the movie and Ash's Greninja.
I would say Ash Greninja was more a bonus. Greninja was picked before Ash even got them, let alone Froakie, and it got it's Ash Greninja form only after it appeared in Sun & Moon.
 

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I think that's intentional, usually Smash takes from the Pokemon anime rather than the games.
It's why it's specifically Lucario from the movie and Ash's Greninja.
Ok all of that, but Incineroar as I recall made its debut in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate before Ash acquired it in the anime.
 

Sucumbio

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Pokemon SV will be the first game my wife has gotten at launch. She's like what's my favorite Nintendo franchise? Metroid. Then why am I buying SV at launch? Because Pokemon is your new favorite franchise?

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Yes.

Ohhhh I says.
 

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Pokemon SV will be the first game my wife has gotten at launch. She's like what's my favorite Nintendo franchise? Metroid. Then why am I buying SV at launch? Because Pokemon is your new favorite franchise?

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Yes.

Ohhhh I says.
Wife knows best.

You get the cute fire crocodile.
 

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I think that's intentional, usually Smash takes from the Pokemon anime rather than the games.
It's why it's specifically Lucario from the movie and Ash's Greninja.
With this and the Advent Children costume for Cloud, at this point Smash can make small references to the non-video game ventures from already-represented franchises. Imagine Tiff & Tuff Mii costumes, or music from the DKC cartoon and Sonic Underground.
 

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She's a fantastic pick imo.

The only real issue is how the Trails franchise is sooooo Japan centric and small-scale relative to most other franchises. It still takes years for the rest of the world to receive games released ages ago for Japan...
Which is fair, but for those here who aren't sure, it was more due to the challenge presented by the scale of the script and the problems that followed because of it.
 

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With this and the Advent Children costume for Cloud, at this point Smash can make small references to the non-video game ventures from already-represented franchises. Imagine Tiff & Tuff Mii costumes, or music from the DKC cartoon and Sonic Underground.
I think anime references are allowed as long as the character or franchise are video game originated. Although so far, anime or movie content that have not appeared in games have not appeared in Smash. Like all of the Final Fantasy VII Advent Children music tracks are remixes of tracks originally from the game. Cloud's Advent Children outfit appeared in Kingdom Hearts 2 and the Dissdia games. And Lucario and Ash Greninja came to their games first before they were put in Smash.
 

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With this and the Advent Children costume for Cloud, at this point Smash can make small references to the non-video game ventures from already-represented franchises. Imagine Tiff & Tuff Mii costumes, or music from the DKC cartoon and Sonic Underground.
And then there's Karin Kanzuki, who made her debut in the Street fighter manga a few years before she made a game apearance and was out in as a spirit in smash.
Does that count too?
 
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