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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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In Gamecube there was a crossover fighting video game the DreamMix TV World Fighters with characters from Konami, Hudson which no longer exists and its games have been transferred to Konami and Takara of a toy company. With the exception of Takara, from the video game characters that were there, I would like Bomberman, Yūgo Ōgami from Bloody Roar and maybe Master Higgins from Adventure Island to come in future Super Smash Bros. games as newcomers.
 
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Stratos said:
In Gamecube there was a crossover fighting video game the DreamMix TV World Fighters with characters from Konami, Hudson which no longer exists and its games have been transferred to Konami and Takara of a toy company. With the exception of Takara, from the video game characters that were there, I would like Bomberman, Yūgo Ōgami from Bloody Roar and maybe Master Higgins from Adventure Island to come in future Super Smash Bros. games as newcomers.
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Two of the most popular Transformers characters (Optimus Prime and Megatron) were also in that game. They could fill the "toy rep" that i mentioned previously in this thread.
 
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Given how universally beloved the Partner Showcases were in 2020, I expect nothing pleasant and agreeable responses to this news.
 
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LiveStudioAudience said:

Given how universally beloved the Partner Showcases were in 2020, I expect nothing pleasant and agreeable responses to this news.
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Well, the leaks were true. Hopefully the part about the Persona ports is, too...
 
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LiveStudioAudience said:

Given how universally beloved the Partner Showcases were in 2020, I expect nothing pleasant and agreeable responses to this news.
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I know there's some sarcasm in that, but like.....it's a good example of how people have a meltdown even when they are told directly what they are going to be shown.

That aside, around 25 minutes eh? This is the largest one since the October one which was around 19 minutes.
 
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I think they're quite different cases. FF7 got Sephiroth as extra cause of his insane popularity, and Cloud vs Sephiroth is a big deal, it was also a reason to get more FF7 content into Smash. And the Castlevania reps are Echoes of each other, and both included cause seemingly both characters' abilities where used to make the moveset out of.

It's still weird that there's no second Sonic character, and I say that despite not being a fan. But, there's Bayonetta and in a way, Joker is also a Sega related character right ?
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Joker is a Sega character, yes.

In the dancing spin off there's a Sonic costume for Morgana and Sonic forces has a Joker skin for the custom character. That's the most they've connected.
 
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Playing Three Hopes now, and I really really wish that Dimitri could become playable next Smash. I also really hope for Impa, Age of Calamity style. I just hope that with these spin offs, the Warriors Nintendo games are now noticed, as they're spin offs to the most ambitious Zelda and Fire Emblem games so far.
 
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Diddy Kong said:
Playing Three Hopes now, and I really really wish that Dimitri could become playable next Smash. I also really hope for Impa, Age of Calamity style. I just hope that with these spin offs, the Warriors Nintendo games are now noticed, as they're spin offs to the most ambitious Zelda and Fire Emblem games so far.
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Yeah, Fire emblem fates.
 
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Roy is a character of the Fire Emblem series but made his debut in Super Smash Bros. Melee.
 
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SPEN18 said:
Also, while they usually include at least 1-2 of your personal picks, the overall rosters look too obviously like, well, fan rosters, with strange omissions and a few too many third party additions that have lots of fans in general but at best only fleeting Smash demand in particular. Having a "realistic" roster is probably not a big concern for these fan games, and maybe sometimes that can subconsciously throw you off from taking their game too seriously.

That and, well, the core gameplay probably isn't going to approach the quality of the real Smash; without immersive gameplay the crossover aspect just feels empty.
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I guess you can put it like that.

Plus, I feel fangames are only necessary if an official game is not going to be made. With the Smash series still ongoing, there's no need for a fangame (unless there was something like a Super Smash Maker game by Nintendo).
 
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Opossum said:
They literally said in the initial post that it might be on the 28th due to timezone differences. It wasn't fake.
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Although everyone was implying that it would be a regular Direct, not a mini Partner Showcase.
 
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Probably safe for me to return Arceus now since it's unlikely they'll be announcing any DLC for it.
 
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Sparks of Hope has had its release date leaked, because leaks are just a thing that happens to this franchise, I guess.

As far as the Direct Mini, I will say that it being a Partner Showcase at least means people can set their expectations appropriately, and it certainly can't be any worse than the absolute doldrums some of the 2020 editions were. Persona games being announced for Switch would be oddly poetic, given that Atlus finally showing off SMTV was one of the few highlights of the early Partner Showcases.
 
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RileyXY1 said:
Although everyone was implying that it would be a regular Direct, not a mini Partner Showcase.
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Over the last few days things were clarified as a regular Direct being unlikely, and the focus being on third-parties. So long as you didn't tune out after the first bit of info started coming out, this does line up with where the claims were.
 
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RileyXY1 said:
Although everyone was implying that it would be a regular Direct, not a mini Partner Showcase.
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Which has nothing to do with how you were wrong and still haven't admitted to it. And even then, this particular post was addressed above.
 
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LiveStudioAudience said:
Sparks of Hope has had its release date leaked, because leaks are just a thing that happens to this franchise, I guess.

As far as the Direct Mini, I will say that it being a Partner Showcase at least means people can set their expectations appropriately, and it certainly can't be any worse than the absolute doldrums some of the 2020 editions were.
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I mean, if you were an SMT fan, the one Partner Direct with SMT3 and 5 was probably close to a 5-star meal.

That said, in terms of possible rumors, Mario+Rabbids Sparks of Hope and Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak seems to be the likeliest. Other rumors I've seen talked about:
  • the Persona series
  • Nier Automata
  • supposedly another Square Enix game using the Octopath-style like Live a Live, with one I've been hearing the most being Tactics Ogre
  • A Dragon Quest game, the most likely being Dragon Quest Treasures which Square supposedly said that it would get news this month, but it hasn't yet. And Dragon Quest 3 is supposedly getting an Octopath-style remake too, so that could be announced too.
As for existing titles possibly appearing in the Partner Direct:
  • Bayonetta 3 is possible, as despite being a Nintendo-funded game, Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity did appear in the October 2020 Direct. With that said, Three Hopes DLC is also possible.
  • Sonic Frontiers is possible.
  • The FFVII Crisis Core remake could be shown, as it is coming to Switch.
  • Everybody still asking for those Pixel remakes of FF games to come to Switch.
  • Indie titles like Silksong and Bombrush Cyberfunk.
  • Maybe some 3rd Party titles for Switch Online like N64 and Sega Genesis(like the N64 Bomberman and Mystical Ninja games please)
 
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It wasn't Jeff Grubb who leaked the direct was it? Cause he thinks prime remaster for switch is coming end of the year with
Echoes and Corruption to follow but I must be having deja vu cause I seem to recall asking if Grubb was trustworthy or a POS.
 
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It's hypothetically possible that a Prime 1 could be revealed in the September Direct for release in the late fall; Age of Calamity had a similar release schedule after all.
 
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Sucumbio said:
It wasn't Jeff Grubb who leaked the direct was it? Cause he thinks prime remaster for switch is coming end of the year with
Echoes and Corruption to follow but I must be having deja vu cause I seem to recall asking if Grubb was trustworthy or a POS.
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I don't think Grubb leaked this Direct, but he has been saying Nintendo is going to have multiple smaller presentations instead of one big one this summer, which lines up so far.

In general he is trustworthy as far as leakers go, but obviously none of them are infallible. So it's worth paying attention to his claims, but not treating them like gospel. For what it's worth though, people have been talking about that Prime remaster for a while now.
 
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Ivander said:
As for existing titles possibly appearing in the Partner Direct:
  • Bayonetta 3 is possible, as despite being a Nintendo-funded game, Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity did appear in the October 2020 Direct. With that said, Three Hopes DLC is also possible.
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Worth pointing out that the Nintendo Warriors games essentially ARE third party titles. In Japan, they're published by Koei Tecmo, while Nintendo publishes them elsewhere.

Meanwhile Bayonetta 2 & 3 are published by Nintendo in Japan and everywhere else.
 
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So now 2B has literally nothing stopping her from getting into Smash now, huh

Unless we get Nier 3 by the time of the next Smash that has a new protag that eclipses her in popularity, I guess. Either way I do think we'll be seeing Nier show up next time around.
 
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I don't see how ports of third party games that are over 5 years old are going to have much if any effect on Smash rostering. I've always failed to see how just having one measly, late, after-the-fact rerelease on a Nintendo platform changes so many speculators' minds on eligibility and/or likelihood. I know I'm more huddled under my Nintendo umbrella than most, but I never got the whole thing where even something like a minor cameo on a Nintendo system makes people go "well I guess now they can/should be in Smash."
 
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SPEN18 said:
I don't see how ports of third party games that are over 5 years old are going to have much if any effect on Smash rostering. I've always failed to see how just having one measly, late, after-the-fact rerelease on a Nintendo platform changes so many speculators' minds on eligibility and/or likelihood. I know I'm more huddled under my Nintendo umbrella than most, but I never got the whole thing where even something like a minor cameo on a Nintendo system makes people go "well I guess now they can/should be in Smash."
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We're just going off the guidelines as we've been presented with via Sakurai excerpts and such. And timeliness is a non-factor in the binary of having made an appearance on Nintendo or not.

It's not going to come down to the timing of the release anyway. If 2B eventually gets in, it'll be because she's a popular character from a successful game. All this does is remove what might have otherwise been an obstacle.

And we can get into the weeds of arguing whether the obstacle is indeed a thing or not, but none of us know for sure anyway. Either way, it's a non-issue now for 2B, which will help her popularity.
 
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SPEN18 said:
I don't see how ports of third party games that are over 5 years old are going to have much if any effect on Smash rostering. I've always failed to see how just having one measly, late, after-the-fact rerelease on a Nintendo platform changes so many speculators' minds on eligibility and/or likelihood. I know I'm more huddled under my Nintendo umbrella than most, but I never got the whole thing where even something like a minor cameo on a Nintendo system makes people go "well I guess now they can/should be in Smash."
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I think it's a combination of being into speculation with personal hype feelings for whatever character passing a barrier (not a Nintendo property or Nintendo adjacent) even if not everyone believe this barrier is even real, etc. Obscurity is in itself funny to muse over because there's some pretty wtf characters in smash so why not? kinda thing. This then leads to people saying things like so I guess such n such is coming to smash, but they mean it sarcastically. Those who don't mean it sarcastically are "marks" if you will. I am not ashamed to admit that if Rygar got ported to switch oh wait they did Rygar for smash please Nintendo!
 
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SPEN18 said:
I don't see how ports of third party games that are over 5 years old are going to have much if any effect on Smash rostering. I've always failed to see how just having one measly, late, after-the-fact rerelease on a Nintendo platform changes so many speculators' minds on eligibility and/or likelihood. I know I'm more huddled under my Nintendo umbrella than most, but I never got the whole thing where even something like a minor cameo on a Nintendo system makes people go "well I guess now they can/should be in Smash."
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I guess it's because it's a common belief that a video game IP kinda needs to have at least one game released on a Nintendo platform in order to be considered "eligible".

Official word of god on this is: "it may be a courtesy to have history on Nintendo platforms", as Sakurai puts it. https://sourcegaming.info/2015/10/05/sakuraithirdparty/

So it may not be a hard rule. But it is worth pointing out that that hundreds upon hundreds of video game IPs are represented in Smash Bros...and pretty much every single one of them have at least one game released on a Nintendo platform. Every single one of them. So that may be telling...

For what it's worth, up to this point, the only "Nintendo virgin" third party IPs that felt "Smash worthy" to me were Nier and Halo. This is because obviously 2B and Master Chief are highly popular and iconic characters owned by companies that have already had their foot set in the door. But now the former doesn't have this supposed obstacle anymore.
 
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Dinoman96 said:
So now 2B has literally nothing stopping her from getting into Smash now, huh

Unless we get Nier 3 by the time of the next Smash that has a new protag that eclipses her in popularity, I guess. Either way I do think we'll be seeing Nier show up next time around.
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Square-enix has many characters competing for a spot
I think Taito rep might be likely alongside Geno and Crono who are both are on the table during the whole 7 square leak which we did get :ulthero::ulthero3::ultsora::ultsephiroth: from it according to vergeben
The only thing that would makes 2B having a better chance is that Lara Croft is no longer owned by Square-Enix
 
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Geno Boost said:
Square-enix has many many characters competing for a spot
I think Taito rep might be likely alongside Geno and Crono who are both are on the table during the whole 7 square leak which we did get :ulthero::ulthero3::ultsora::ultsephiroth: from it according to vergeben
The only thing that would makes 2B having a better chance is that Lara Croft is no longer owned by Square-Enix
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Well the thing that gives 2B an edge over Crono, Geno, and anyone from Taito is that she's a lot more generally popular than any of those characters are, and Nier is becoming a fairly successful franchise. She's beating them in the qualities that got the other SE characters included.

Not that she's the only imaginable option, but she does seem like a frontrunner from the company. Especially with Lara Croft gone.

Also the Seven Square leak was a compiled list of names that had been heard. As a whole, it holds no validity; it's an aggregate where a few claims may have been valid, but most weren't. Given the timing of that leak, any more than Hero being genuine insight and not just luck is very unlikely.
 
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