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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread
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Why do you think Punch Out!! Has so little content? It's fine with just Little Mac and Boxing Ring really is the best stage for it.
But why are there no ATs? Why are there only five tracks? Why didn't it gain any content (aside from spirits) in the transition from Smash 4?
But why are there no ATs? Why are there only five tracks? Why didn't it gain any content (aside from spirits) in the transition from Smash 4?
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I think the only thing taken directly from remake is some of the spirit artwork. That’s only for the summons that appeared in Remake.
The fact that the Smash version of the stage is apparently the default layout means that the stage is essentially a Smash original stage but with Punch Out songs.
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Attitude? I am not snobbing on you or anything, I am just replying to what you said and all you said is that is it was a 'me' thing and that 'my opinion is the consensus' and me replying is having an attitude? And I never argued that the best selling games' characters are the only ones we should talk about? Heck I think Ayumi Tachibana has a surprisingly stronger shot than better selling franchises despite being niche. But point stands that Captain Toad's circumstances are far more different. Unlike Ayumi, he's not the face of a franchise or a new rep for a whole medium. He is part of a franchise with many reps and many potential reps all of whom have at least one (some even several) strengths to their inclusion despite not having a game to their name. Treasure Tracker even if it wasn't a flop, is still not impactful because it has a much smaller presence as is compared to more than half of the Mario games on the Switch, you might think that's harsh but that's how things are. So having 1 more niche game that relatively came and went, regardless of whether Captain Toad gets in or not (which I doubt he will but that's besides the point), is not something that he'll have to his favor going into the next Smash game simply because he already didn't have it when it was more relevant.
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Well it's a pretty small (for series on the roster), heavily-western skewing series that has only had one full game since retro times. Also, iirc, a lot of the music is just variations of the same underlying motif.
Even still, it is a little content bare, it definitely could stand to get more - and it does have lots of potential for a cool AT - but I get why it receives less.
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I just find it weird they didn't make a new AT as is. Sure, they can't simply borrow from Little Mac necessarily, due to different animations/etc. Maybe that relates? It was just low priority?
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I don't think he's non-playable because of the counter, he's a counter because Sakurai didn't choose him to be playable for unrelated reasons. If he wanted to make Toad playable, the counter would not stop him.
His personality is completely different from Yoshi's. Seeing him use Yoshi's happy go lucky taunt/idle/win animations would look jarring. Think the difference between Pit and Dark Pit and that's what you'd be looking at for Boshi I think.
I agree he's probably not happening tho. Granted I don't think it's impossible; I'm sure Smash 6'll keep adding echos with newcomers, and if Geno makes base game and they already have rights to SMRPG content, who knows, maybe Sakurai'll look at Edgy Yoshi and think "Yo that'd be a funny side echo". He loves him a good edgelord.
But yeah, still a long shot.
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GoldenYuiitusin
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Maybe lack of Japanese popularity overall, so not much priority to give ample representation?
I remember an article about how Little Mac's reveal was kind of a whimper in Japan.
I think Punch Out is somewhat seen as the retro rep of Smash 4, like Kid Icarus before it. I imagine if we never got Uprising, Kid Icarus would be in a similar position
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As far as FFIX remake, word from the current rumor mill is that it is being worked on but won't be out till 2026. If that's the case Vivi could make for a solid inclusion, even as part of a fighter's pass especially given you could also pay tribute to general black mages throughout the FF series with him.
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It's not like the series has a lot to pull from to be fair.
So what we just shouldn’t talk about him ever?
You know, about Final Fantasy VIII, if they did get a character from that game...
I'd like it to be Laguna Loire, coming with the theme, The Man with the Machine Gun.
I'd like it to be Laguna Loire, coming with the theme, The Man with the Machine Gun.
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I have a preference for Zell myself, admittedly for silly reasons:
that would be fun
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It only has three main games (alongside the two arcade games and Arm Wrestling of course), being an NES game, an SNES game that came out in Japan two years after the N64 released and three years after it came out in Europe, and a Wii game, with the future of the series kind of in limbo until Next Level or whoever thinks of a good hook for it.
With the music, it's likely because Punch-Out, even Punch-Out Wii as far as I know, kind of just uses the same themes (with different instrumentations in Wii of course, but still), so there's really not a ton to pull from for music.
For an AT, I do think it should have one and I'm not sure why it didn't get one.
Honestly, this might be a bit controversial to say, dunno, but Mac himself got kinda lucky that Punch-Out Wii happened just a few years before Sakurai wrote his project plan for Smash 4 and kinda put him on the radar as a recent smaller deal. If Sakurai had had to think all the way back to Super Punch-Out from 1994 (1998 for Japan) I don't know that Mac would've made it. He still COULD'VE made it, the Assist Trophy Mac happened in Brawl after all, but I still think Punch-Out Wii being relatively recent was a very good stroke of luck for Mac in Smash to begin with.
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That works. If anything, the Mentos theme would probably be better to include than The Man with the Machine Gun.
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I'd still go with Squall. But I also like his options as is, and how he's different from your regular Sword Fighter. Besides that, his stoicness makes him a fun characterization to see in Smash, imo.
Either way, Spirits of the Summons would be great. Just for some new artworks possibly alone. Diablos could use another one(especially one that is closer to his headshot in the menu, which shows his emotions well).
Either way, Spirits of the Summons would be great. Just for some new artworks possibly alone. Diablos could use another one(especially one that is closer to his headshot in the menu, which shows his emotions well).
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Imagine he gets summoned by an Assist Trophy and he comes with a crowd booing him and attempting to hit him with stuff only for the stuff they throw to hit other players.
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They should have rereleased the PSP games but the fact that NT wasn't successful and Opera Omnia closed means that its unlikely.Wouldn't be the first time he appeared in a fighting game.
I miss Dissidia.
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I don't think you could really call Mac a retro rep 'cause Punch-Out had a "modern" game at the time of Smash 4. Kid Icarus didn't in Brawl.
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The only real retro rep Smash 4 had was Duck Hunt. Smash 4 really focused a lot on current characters in stark contrast to Brawl's focus on legacy characters.
GoldenYuiitusin
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Come to think of it.....Aran Ryan is only one of two boxers in the Wii game (excluding DK) that didn't get a Spirit.
Now I'm imagining even Galeem wanting nothing to do with him.
Now I'm imagining even Galeem wanting nothing to do with him.
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Also about Geno....why do some people outside SB hate him so much? Like it's so weird to see people have such bilis for such a inoffensive character like Geno.
I've seen people say they won't buy Smash 6 if Geno gets in....wtf.
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I can't imagine this would have any mass appeal, but I'd love a formal crossover between Punch Out and Ring Fit, at least for their mechanics combining. Level up via the exercises in the latter that can then carry over to your skills in the former. Make yourself just a little quicker and stronger to make your dodging/hitting against King Hippo all the more effective. Give me Doc Louis throwing insults at Dragaux and I'd play the hell out of it.
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GoldenYuiitusin
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The fanbase didn't really do itself any favors during the DLC speculation period.
well if nothing else he’d be quite distinct
You can say that again!
Though I liked fooling around there, I tried to tell them to keep their expectations in check in that one topic, but they somehow got offended over it. They did seem to make themselves look bad.
Oh yeah, definitely! I would love some of that, myself!
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It probably won't happen, but I'd love to hear some more music from Sonic R in Smash, especially a Smash remix of this:
Well considering Fist Bump made it into Ultimate and that song should probably have similar issues, I don't think it would be a deterrent.
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Although not retro, Mega Man and Pac-Man take more inspiration from older games. Outside of small references to the Pac-Man World Series, Pac-Man is mostly just referencing stuff from the 80s while lot of Mega Man's stuff is trying to emulate the 2D sprites but in 3D.
About Geno, if I may, I asked a question in my initial, recent post about him that was not answered. Thing is, I may have needed to word it better, but...
Does anyone think Geno may have more of a chance in getting into Smash 6 as DLC rather than base game?
Does anyone think Geno may have more of a chance in getting into Smash 6 as DLC rather than base game?
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Its all up to Square Enix in my opinion.
The character presumably got decent amount of votes so its likely that Nintendo is aware of his popularity. Same with the remake of his game releasing more recently.
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That all depends since he was created by Square Enix and Nintendo. Of course, he has a long history with fans backing him up. He could be DLC or base game. It is more luck IF sakurai can find a way to design his character with sparks rather than the Mii Costume fate 2 times in a row. (DLC waiting period. It is longer than you think. It can start to put in paranoia due to unknown status. I was worried about Shantae's fate until Kazuya's reveal. At least it was settled before the end of DLC.)
Also, timing is another that's out of us fans control (if you don't count requests) since it is mostly the Businesses that make the final call.
On everything, yeah, I know.
Thanks for answering, though. That said, if he was in the base game of Ultimate as a Spirit, I'd say he could get in base game of next Smash Bros. as a playable. I feel there are some differences between Ultimate and Smash 6, though, not sure what.