Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Sucumbio]

IR Information : Sales Data - Dedicated Video Game Sales Units

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GCN sold a little less than twice as well WiiU.

 

[chocolatejr9]

GameCube biggest failure ? How? It has prime games as Melee, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Mario Sunshine, and actually had relative good hardware. These are also games praised to the current day, and get remakes too. I don't really get it ? Maybe they just feel the GameCube isn't quote retro enough? They seem to have a same sort of hesitation with Gameboy Advance games, and maybe just wait for the nostalgia to really hit ?

Kinda baffles me you'd say that.

To put it bluntly, the Gamecube is a case of "we didn't realize what we had until it was gone". When the Gamecube first came out, nobody cared for it, and it ended up being one of Nintendo's worst selling consoles.

 

[Dinoman96]

GameCube was the best of times, it was the worst of times

Arguably it was Nintendo's IPs at their most creative and experimental, for better and for worse. Some of them paid off like Melee, TTYD, Metroid Prime, etc but then certain series like 3D Mario and Zelda debatably fell flat in comparison to their N64 counterparts. Star Fox Adventures and Assault likewise weren't nearly as liked or successful as SF64, and the loss of Rare and Banjo stung at the time.

 

[dream1ng]

I miss the GameCube era because it felt like the last time Nintendo was really trying to cater to all their IPs that existed at the time.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

GameCube was the best of times, it was the worst of times

Arguably it was Nintendo's IPs at their most creative and experimental, for better and for worse. Some of them paid off like Melee, TTYD, Metroid Prime, etc but then certain series like 3D Mario and Zelda debatably fell flat in comparison to their N64 counterparts. Star Fox Adventures and Assault likewise weren't nearly as liked or successful as SF64, and the loss of Rare and Banjo stung at the time.

This. Basically, Gamecube is beloved and hailed for being so off beat with great ease these days, but back then it didn't really translate to big sales of the console. The one two punch of GC not being a DVD player and Nintendo's family friendly focus right as the mature gamer demographic really kicked into overdrive made it ill suited to capturing any real market outside the hardcores. While it avoided the Wii U's double mistake of failing to get loyalists or casuals in big numbers, it lacked the big hook other Nintendo systems (3D gaming with the N64, motion control of the Wii, home console made portable via the Switch) did, and the third place finished deomonstrated that.

In general, it's hard to really express just how controversial and off-putting certain mainline games were to people. Something like Jungle Beat is praised now, but numerous DK fans immediately viewed the Bongos as a gimmick, and it being outsold by a decade old port of DKC1 on the GBA around the same time illustrates how much even Nintendo fans didn't fully embrace it.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I doubt it's a "**** the gamecube" thing. They probably just don't think an Eternal Darkness sequel would be worth making, and so they don't.

To be fair it failed to make back its budget even in a time when a few hundred thousand copies sold was all it usually took to make back a game's budget.

 

[Sucumbio]

Eternal Darkness and RE4... Two of my favorite games of all time. I think the biggest reason it failed was due to the sheer immensity of PS2. It just ate everybody's lunch. Kinda hard to compare really even if technically speaking GC could outdo it in terms of graphics. This was the era that made it clear Nintendo's IPs weren't enough to stave off the 3rd party development powerhouses that were feeding playstation fans endlessly. It's no wonder they has to shift market focus to family entertainment in the Wii, which of course worked really well and brought them back into the spotlight.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Kinda hard to compare really even if technically speaking GC could outdo it in terms of graphics

It could, but smaller discs meant less room for bigger textures/bumpmaps. Original Xbox obviously didn't have this issue.

 

[Sucumbio]

It could, but smaller discs meant less room for bigger textures/bumpmaps. Original Xbox obviously didn't have this issue.

That always irked me. Like why does Nintendo always have to do things differently? It seemed an unusual decision at any rate. But that's Nintendo...

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Personally I think GameCube did it just about as good as N64 right ? But both aren't SNES level, and I feel the Switch is a huge redeemer for Nintendo , alongside the Wii. Those and the 3DS might've been the most successful overall systems of Nintendo.

Actually the GameCube was quite profitable for them for most of its lifespan because they found a way to make the consoles for cheaper without sacrificing quality and sold every console that was sold for profit unlike most consoles at the time and succeeding which are more often than not sold at a loss.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

The Gamecube failed because everyone assumed that Sword and shield were the first mainline Pokemon games on console, when Colloseum was actually the first, and that was on Gamecube.

 

[Yamat08]

I know Nintendo is protective over the IPs when it comes to other companies doing them, but like....what is it with Nintendo and Gamecube games in particular where there seem to be issues in general?

I really don't get it, either. It seemed especially bizarre that the WiiU featured downloadable Wii titles, completely skipping over the GameCube. Hackers were even able to demonstrate that the ISO files for GameCube games can run just fine on a WiiU, since the WiiU is essentially just a higher-powered Wii, which is in turn a higher-powered GameCube (the only reason they nixed the backwards compatibility for GC in later models is arguably because of structure necessary to run the half-sized discs).

And yes, as Diddy Kong pointed out, the Game Boy Advanced didn't fare much better, though granted, they at least got Virtual Console releases (but only on the WiiU and not the 3DS for some reason). Though when you think about it, aside from the GC and GBA, even the PS2 has very little in regards to re-releases (there were some PS2 Classics on PSN, but they were much more limited than the PS1 Classics). It's as if these systems are stuck in some sort of awkward purgatory of whatever existed before the age of game consoles utilizing digital downloads. Granted, this might all be a moot point now that Virtual Console is coming to an end (and legacy PSN got extended for the time being, but it's only a matter of time before it sees its own end).

What about Mewtwo in Smash 4? I don't remember how all the reactions were, but it went over fine if not positively with most of the general audience.
I get what you're saying about a "bonus" character being a different circumstance than those in which popular requests are usually added; however, I don't think it follows that a popular character would go over poorly as a bonus fighter or that a generic Mario enemy was the only or best option.

Maybe, though it's also worth considering that half of Smash4's DLC was focused on bringing back veterans. With Ultimate, they established every veteran returning right at the start, which meant that everything to come afterwards would be a completely blank slate. Also, Mewtwo may've been a bonus, but he was also the very first DLC character, establishing for the first time that Smash was willing to utilize DLC to expand (which was quite the big deal at the time, given how little Nintendo in general had utilized DLC up to that point). Probably also worth noting that getting Mewtwo for free required having BOTH versions of Smash4, which made him a bit more of a high-effort acquisition than Piranha Plant was (more so given how limited the WiiU's audience was). Kinda makes the whole thing feel as if Mewtwo was a gift to the hardcore Smash fanbase who'd already be familiar with his gameplay in Melee, whereas Piranha Plant comes off as a joke freebie (if that makes sense).

Eternal Darkness and RE4... Two of my favorite games of all time. I think the biggest reason it failed was due to the sheer immensity of PS2. It just ate everybody's lunch. Kinda hard to compare really even if technically speaking GC could outdo it in terms of graphics. This was the era that made it clear Nintendo's IPs weren't enough to stave off the 3rd party development powerhouses that were feeding playstation fans endlessly. It's no wonder they has to shift market focus to family entertainment in the Wii, which of course worked really well and brought them back into the spotlight.

Actually, if anything, the GameCube era was when Nintendo was seeing a return of several third-parties they lost with the N64 (which I'd argue was the Nintendo system most reliant on their first-party releases short of the WiiU and Virtual Boy). For instance, Square and Enix (later Square Enix) were back, even if they were giving Nintendo spin-offs and re-releases as opposed to new mainline entries of their flagship titles. Other franchises which were close to, if not entirely, non-existant on the N64 seemed to be coming back in full force (such as Mega Man). And perhaps most notably, they gained Sega as an unexpected ally after dropping out of the console market (and though Sega in general was multi-platform, they seemed to favor Nintendo in particular with all the games released exclusively to their platforms).

A lot of people seem to crap on the GameCube now, but I personally view it more as Nintendo's return to glory after turning off so many publishers with their attempt to drag out cartridge media, and a pre-cursor to their major success story that is the Wii.

 

[SPEN18]

Kinda makes the whole thing feel as if Mewtwo was a gift to the hardcore Smash fanbase who'd already be familiar with his gameplay in Melee

That's a part of it. But it certainly helps that Mewtwo is, well, a highly recognizable, iconic, and popular PKMN that appeals a great deal to casuals.
It's pure hypothetical but if Mewtwo wasn't a vet when he got revealed as the bonus fighter, it probably would have been a similar overall reaction outside the hardcore Smash fanbase.

 

[ForsakenM]

I don't doubt that adding third party franchises can expand the audience; it is a consideration I neglected to mention even though I think the number of people who will buy the game just for one particular third party character is fairly small, even in cases like Steve or Chief. You said above that basically any character, even an oddball like Plant, can hype people up, in which case I don't see as much upshot to adding third parties specifically.
I also don't doubt that third parties are highly profitable. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I am against the audience expanding; however, I don't want them to give in to crowd-pleasing if it means sacrificing the original identity of the game and/or makes having a fair roster selection even more difficult than it already is.

Did you forget that Steve's reveal alone brought sales of Smash Ultimate itself back up to release day sales?

No joke, seriously: the power of Minecraft being the biggest game that everyone on the planet but me plays made the base game of Ultimate sell as much as it did when it was brand new and people were losing their minds over Joker.

Certain characters getting in absolutely have star power. I think what you MEAN to say is that there are very few characters who have THAT level of star power.

Fortunately for Smash currently, Sakurai and Nintendo have been very slow with major inclusions, so we still have about a handful of characters that carry around this level...even if they don't match it directly.

 

[dream1ng]

Did you forget that Steve's reveal alone brought sales of Smash Ultimate itself back up to release day sales?

No joke, seriously: the power of Minecraft being the biggest game that everyone on the planet but me plays made the base game of Ultimate sell as much as it did when it was brand new and people were losing their minds over Joker.

What's your source on this

 

[Diddy Kong]

The Gamecube failed because everyone assumed that Sword and shield were the first mainline Pokemon games on console, when Colloseum was actually the first, and that was on Gamecube.

I actually think Colosseum was one of the best Pokemon games I ever played. I also was really fond of Star Fox Adventures, Paper Mario TTYD, Mario Kart Double Dash, Metroid Prime, Fire Emblem Path of Radiance, Wind Waker and actually think they're just about the strongest titles in their respective series. I even enjoyed Jungle Beat for what it was worth, and of course Melee.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Did you forget that Steve's reveal alone brought sales of Smash Ultimate itself back up to release day sales?

He didn't do that, he just supposedly broke Twitter. Depending on how conveniently timed that maintenance was.

furthermore a geno fan SHOULDN'T want them to be desperate to expand smash's audience, as it's bad news for geno and it's being a switch game that made ultimate sell so much anyway

 

[RileyXY1]

He didn't do that, he just supposedly broke Twitter. Depending on how conveniently timed that maintenance was.

furthermore a geno fan SHOULDN'T want them to be desperate to expand smash's audience, as it's bad news for geno and it's being a switch game that made ultimate sell so much anyway

At the time Twitter hadn't been broken due to massive amounts of traffic since Michael Jackson died.

 

[ForsakenM]

What's your source on this

I'll work on getting this, but it's after 6AM and I need sleep for work. If I have time during my shift I'll try and post it sooner.

He didn't do that, he just supposedly broke Twitter. Depending on how conveniently timed that maintenance was.

furthermore a geno fan SHOULDN'T want them to be desperate to expand smash's audience, as it's bad news for geno and it's being a switch game that made ultimate sell so much anyway

The breaking Twitter is debatable largely only because people are saying Twitter was having issues before the reveal, but I think it's hard to say either way. Steve's reveal is something that is social media slamming for sure.

I get that the running gag that some people believe is actually real is that I'm some sort of obsessed or psychotic Geno fan, but reality is that I love many things both in the sphere of gaming and outside of it, and, while not always successful, I tend to lean towards the side of logic when not allowing myself to get swept up into things. Being convinced Geno was coming to Ultimate was a combination of of getting swept up into the hype mixed in with fixating on things that were both in his favor as well as things being misinterpreted as such with just a dash of being wrong in thinking FP2 would be catering to long-term picks more. It's this same logic that made me sure that SF6 would be announced for the Capcom countdown even though many people thought it was too early for SF6 as well as assuming another Capcom fighting game or some sort would would be announced with it, likely featuring older titles and being a collection, based on the timing of other Capcom IPs. It's also why I end up calling multiple things in a Direct before watching it, but sometimes that gets boring and you just need to walk into things empty-headed to get more enjoyment out of them.

Regardless, as someone who appreciates logic AND enjoys Smash to a certain extend still, Smash HAS to expand it's audience to stay relevant. What's best for Smash is to keep adding so many names with massive star power to keep adding new players while always bringing most of their old playerbase over from the last game, and the best way to do that is to introduce them over time and not play your whole Master Hand all at once. Smash needs to include names like Dante, Master Chief, Crash and many more for them to keep making money and maintaining interest because they never shake up the formula enough in any other way due to the massive risk factor. Without these big names, you would simply be adding mostly 1st Party characters 80% of the playerbase doesn't care about and after going on long enough people would move on to other platform fighters or just other games.

I'm also not worried because Geno is in that 'inevitable' status I've mentioned more than once before, something I genuinely believe many characters fall into: there are a list of characters that WILL get into Smash EVENTUALLY just due to star power or demand because Smash HAS to cater to these things to stick around as I mentioned already. Any character that has star power or has yet to have their fan demand completely die off/became immortalized in the community after so much time being supported will eventually get into Smash...though obviously, the amount of star power or demand matters.

Also, don't undersell Ultimate for selling what it did just because it was on the Switch. This was only the second year of the consoles life cycle, and if memory serves, the Switch REALLY started selling in the 2019-2020 period and has just kept chugging along for two years. That's how it seemed to me anyway, if I'm wrong that's fine. The real point is that Ultimate would have sold crazy on just about anything based on premise alone. You don't just bring back all the old characters people have missed playing for years to a game that people screech for at almost every event your company is a part of while ALSO bringing in new characters people have wanted for just as long if not longer and NOT make boatloads of cashola.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm also not worried because Geno is in that 'inevitable' status I've mentioned more than once before, something I genuinely believe many characters fall into: there are a list of characters that WILL get into Smash EVENTUALLY just due to star power or demand because Smash HAS to cater to these things to stick around as I mentioned already. Any character that has star power or has yet to have their fan demand completely die off/became immortalized in the community after so much time being supported will eventually get into Smash...though obviously, the amount of star power or demand matters.

But if they keep adding more and more big stars, that means Geno will be demanded LESS, which in turn means he'd be doomed to be a costume forever, if even that. Furthermore, that remaining 20% (which WOULD include Geno's fans, he should be treated as a first-party character despite Squenix ownership) is still 4 million people.

Also, don't undersell Ultimate for selling what it did just because it was on the Switch

List of best-selling Nintendo Switch video games - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That first entry should be enough proof that the Switch is all it took.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I wouldn't honestly call Geno "inevitable". Geno is still a quite irrelevant character from a game that's not even getting a port despite all it's popularity, and he's no main character or a villain. Square will probably want many of their more recognizable characters before Geno too, and we've seen exactly this with Ultimate.

At some point you guys gotta learn to be content with that Mii Gunner costume.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Geno is still a quite irrelevant character

Aaaaand that's why I think people with Geno hat edit avatars shouldn't want Smash to go bigger and bigger and bigger. If they didn't think Geno was worth it now, just imagine how Nintendo would feel if they gave into all of the modern Smash fan's sellout fantasies.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Aaaaand that's why I think people with Geno hat edit avatars shouldn't want Smash to go bigger and bigger and bigger. If they didn't think Geno was worth it now, just imagine how Nintendo would feel if they gave into all of the modern Smash fan's sellout fantasies.

Like a smaller roster would benefit Geno? I cannot picture Geno getting in over any character currently present in Ultimate honestly.

With all due respect of course. It's a fan base that's long standing, since pre Brawl or even Melee times even, but that doesn't mean it'll ever be a likely idea.

Now any sort of Geno appearance anywhere else's or a remake of SMRPG could change that in a second, but, I doubt that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Like a smaller roster would benefit Geno?

No, I mean Geno fans shouldn't want Smash to strive for all the third-party stars. Because Geno is only a "star" in the way the sun is, not the way Master Chief is.

 

[Perkilator]

Looking back, these should’ve been Terry’s alts:

1. KOF 94 (default)
2. Player 2 Terry (blue)
3. Wild Ambition alt (black)
4. NEO GEO hat (lighter red)
5. Garou: Mark of the Wolves (alt)
6. Garou B (green)
7. Garou C (gray)
8. Garou D (red)

And trust me, I know what you’re thinking. Yes, I’d happily do different animations for Terry’s Garou alt.

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

The Gamecube failed because everyone assumed that Sword and shield were the first mainline Pokemon games on console, when Colloseum was actually the first, and that was on Gamecube.

Colosseum is not mainline.

Trust me, my nostalgia says it absolutely should be mainline, especially with the shaky quality of recent games, but I fear it's all but been retconned at this point. It was technically created by another company, and Pokémon makes little to no nods to it. A shame, I'd take a new adaptation of it and XD over a lot of the modern ideas they come up with.

 

[Dinoman96]

I wouldn't honestly call Geno "inevitable". Geno is still a quite irrelevant character from a game that's not even getting a port despite all it's popularity, and he's no main character or a villain. Square will probably want many of their more recognizable characters before Geno too, and we've seen exactly this with Ultimate.

At some point you guys gotta learn to be content with that Mii Gunner costume.

This.

I still maintain that Ultimate marks the end of the road for most of the old time requests like Geno. That is, unless they continue to appear in games (Waluigi, Bandana Dee, etc) or are miraculously revived (i.e Golden Sun getting a new game or remake or whatever).

And no, Smash's roster getting smaller won't help out Geno's chances, quite the opposite frankly. I can ensure you that they would 100% never put Geno in if anyone of Cloud, Hero or Sephiroth were cut.

 

[Diddy Kong]

This.

I still maintain that Ultimate marks the end of the road for most of the old time requests like Geno. That is, unless they continue to appear in games (Waluigi, Bandana Dee, etc) or are miraculously revived (i.e Golden Sun getting a new game or remake or whatever).

And no, Smash's roster getting smaller won't help out Geno's chances, quite the opposite frankly. I can ensure you that they would 100% never put Geno in if anyone of Cloud, Hero or Sephiroth were cut.

Geno is entirely dependant on getting a SMRPG remake, and I specifically say remake, and that's unlikely cause we've seen the one video where the SMRPG director proclaimed he wanted to make a sequel to the game. A sequel nowhere implies Geno will be there. With enough fan demand , there's a chance Square would add him after another Final Fantasy character, someone from Dragon Quest and Chrono. And there's no chance they'll add him as a sort of retro character either, as they definitely would pick the Black Mage for that.

Colosseum is not mainline.

Trust me, my nostalgia says it absolutely should be mainline, especially with the shaky quality of recent games, but I fear it's all but been retconned at this point. It was technically created by another company, and Pokémon makes little to no nods to it. A shame, I'd take a new adaptation of it and XD over a lot of the modern ideas they come up with.

Same here. The formula of Pokemon just has to change, they've been reusing models since forever, and the battle system despite being loved is starting to feel outdated. They can very well stick with it, but throw in some more lively animations, make it look like an actual battle instead of... What it is. Take notes from Dragon Quest if you must.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Street Fighter 6's new realistic art style sucks ass.

I wanted, like, Alpha 4 with ArcSys-level graphics. This is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of that.

GameCube biggest failure ? How? It has prime games as Melee, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Mario Sunshine, and

Skies of Arcadia!

 

[chocolatejr9]

Street Fighter 6's new realistic art style sucks ass.

I wanted, like, Alpha 4 with ArcSys-level graphics. This is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of that.

Wouldn't be surprised if that was a side effect of Capcom's current state of priorities...

 

[Stratos]

For John Raimi the protagonist from Geist I can not decide if I would like him in Super Smash Bros. as normal or as a ghost. In Geist when he is a ghost, he can control other people as well as animals and objects when he enters their body.

 

[chocolatejr9]

For John Raimi the protagonist from Geist I can not decide if I would like him in Super Smash Bros. as normal or as a ghost. In Geist when he is a ghost, he can control other people as well as animals and objects when he enters their body.

Maybe both? He's primarily in his normal state, but his Special moves could use his ghost form.

I don't know, I've never played Geist, but I'm pretty sure giving him the ability to possess his opponents might be a bit, um... broken.

 

[CannonStreak]

I made a moveset for John Raimi once. Here it is if you all don't mind.

Spoiler

John Raimi

Geist (video game) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Coming from a game called Geist, which was for the Gamecube, John is disease control agent who was sent to investigate a lab called Volks Corporation to stop a demon possessing the head of Volks from conquering the world. John uses punch, kicks, and many secret agent based attacks. However, his mechanic, as from the game, has him temporarily having his soul ripped from his body. While in his soul form, he is intangible, but can be damaged when he turns into, or possesses things and animals. His special moves are...

B: Assault Rifle: John uses an assault rifle, which has limited ammo, and needs time to reload after use.

B Side: Grenade Launcher: John fires a grenade launcher, which also has limited ammo.

B Up: Rocket Propulsion: John uses a rocket launcher to shoot downward, which propels him upward from recoil.

B Down: Mine or Grenade: John throws a mine or grenade at the opponent, which sticks until stepped on or explodes after a short time,

After taking enough damage and inflicting damage to others to fill John's gauge, the shield and B button can be pressed to have John's soul removed from his body, the latter which temporarily disappears. Like said before, John, in this state, is very tangible, but cannot attack unless he turns into, or possesses an object, animal or person. He can also be attacked and damaged while possessing such objects and even be knocked off stage. John moves freely in this form without having to be worried about being knocked off the stage, and is very fast. John returns to his body after the gauge for his soul form is drained. John's soul form drains very fast, and must use his possessions to slow down the draining of the gauge. The gauge itself fills up very slowly. He cannot possess other Smashers in this form, though, but he does not have to find and possess the things he possess to use them. They just randomly appear. He is also affected by gravity when possessing things. His moves in this form are.

B: Animal Possession: John possesses an animal, namely a dog out of nowhere, and for a few seconds, can be used to attack and bite and scratch opponents.

B Side: Person Possession: John possesses a person, namely a Volks soldier, who comes out of nowhere, and for a few seconds, can use weapons he does not use in his normal form, mainly anti-spirit weapons.

B Up: Object Possession: John can possess an ordinary object like a grandfather clock to fall on opponents, and sometimes into a vehicle to ram opponents.

B Down: Weapon Possession: John possesses a weapon such as a turret or grenade to attack enemies, the latter which explodes without harming John.

Final Smash: Whether possessing an object or living being in soul form or in normal form, after getting the Smash Ball, John Raimi turns back to his normal form if he is already in his soul form and fires a guided missile. If this missile does not hit anyone, it does not do anything. If it does hit anyone, a cutscene happens where the opponent(s) are pulled into the afterlife, where they are immediately attacked by souls and ghosts. Then, John, in his soul form, possesses a nuke that fell to the afterlife with the opponent(s) and activates it, blowing up the opponent(s) and sending them flying, possibly getting them KOed.

What do you all think?

 

[Dinoman96]

Geist is kinda like Eternal Darkness, just without the critical acclaim and cult fanbase lol

It also never came out in Japan, which is probably the main reason it's never been referenced in Smash (i.e StarTropics).

 

[Sucumbio]

Street Fighter 6's new realistic art style sucks ass.

I wanted, like, Alpha 4 with ArcSys-level graphics. This is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of that.

Skies of Arcadia!

It's like they're trying to compete with Tekken or something haha or maybe that's just for fmvs?

 

[Perkilator]

Quick question: how would you guys feel if this was the DLC lineup for Ultimate?


Bonus: Bandana Waddle Dee

Vol. 1 (if it had 6 fighters)

1. Arle
2. Hero
3. Banjo & Kazooie
4. Pyra / Mythra
5. Terry
6. Crash

Vol. 2

1. Min Min
2. Dr. Eggman
3. Sephiroth
4. Edelgard
5. Kazuya
6. Sora

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Quick question: how would you guys feel if this was the DLC lineup for Ultimate?


Bonus: Bandana Waddle Dee

Vol. 1 (if it had 6 fighters)

1. Arle
2. Hero
3. Banjo & Kazooie
4. Pyra / Mythra
5. Terry
6. Crash

Vol. 2

1. Min Min
2. Dr. Eggman
3. Sephiroth
4. Edelgard
5. Kazuya
6. Sora

This would have given me a character on my wish list in Bandana Dee, but overall, I'd say the lineup is a little weaker. Crash would have been a better end to the first pass, but I don't think Arle is as exciting as Joker, even if she is pretty cool in her own right.

Volume 2 would have been potentially better for Three Houses, but it's Fire Emblem so it's hard to say. My feelings about Edelgard over Byleth depend entirely on how she would be implemented. To me, she doesn't really seem to add a lot that's different from Ike gameplaywise unless she leans into her post-timeskip class with the shield or does a bunch of battalion shenanigans. I would be concerned that she would mainly follow her marketing persona, which has the axe and that's about it. Eggman's cool, but I don't know that he's a better add than Steve.

I don't think it's a bad lineup at all. It potentially smooths out some of the rough edges, but it also lacks a bit of the pop of what we got. More even keeled, if you will.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Edelgard over Byleth is an atrocious idea.

Now Dimitri on the other hand, that's a solid pick.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

You know, I joked about seeing Terranigma localized for Switch; turns out that might be the case.

Famitsu: More HD-2D Remakes to Come from Square Enix

The big money would be in Chrono Trigger and FFVI getting the treatment (the latter already apparently has the opera scene very much like HD-2D in the Pixel Remaster), though that might not be for a while. Kind of odd that there's a decent chance we'll see Bahamut Lagoon arriving on Switch sooner than something like Super Mario RPG, but here we are.

 

[chocolatejr9]

You know, I joked about seeing Terranigma localized for Switch; turns out that might be the case.

Famitsu: More HD-2D Remakes to Come from Square Enix

The big money would be in Chrono Trigger and FFVI getting the treatment (the latter already apparently has the opera scene very much like HD-2D in the Pixel Remaster), though that might not be for a while. Kind of odd that there's a decent chance we'll see Bahamut Lagoon arriving on Switch sooner than something like Super Mario RPG, but here we are.

To be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if FF6 got the FF7R treatment.