Newcomers - Just fine, or Too little?

[Amazing Ampharos]

I really think we've just gotten so many more characters than I ever thought possible, and they all look so interesting from a gameplay standpoint. I'm also impressed that, instead of just bloating on sidekicks and villains, that so many of the newcomers were branching in new directions; the only character so far I thought kinda didn't "deserve" smash was Palutena, and that's pretty incredible given that 90% of most request lists are characters I think are a bad fit for smash.

 

[ChikoLad]

In response to the topic title:

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

I find it hilarious how, at the time I wrote this post, Mii Fighters are the only one with no votes. Even all 3 unconfirmed characters have more. Those poor guys really can't catch a break, huh?

 

[Hong]

Doesn't really matter to me.

I don't care who the characters are or how many we get. Just what they do. All the same, Zero Suit Samus was honestly kind of lame in Brawl, and while she isn't a new character, she is a very interesting fighter, and has me more intrigued than Greninja. I think a veteran receiving a revision is just as good, sometimes better, than getting a new character. Ultimately, it's just another fighting game to me. I don't care who that character is, along as they are fun and interesting. If I love a character enough, I'll go and play their source game. I could hardly care less if they show up in Smash Bros. That said, the fact Greninja impressed me the least says a lot about the latest stock, since he's still much more interesting than a number of veterans.

Don't get the wrong idea. It's all just my perspective and values. There is no shame in your values being more character oriented.

 

[Dj.D]

I can't really accept only 12 characters. Isn't that too little compared to the amount of newcomers we got in Melee and Brawl?

I think at least 15 will do. I am really hoping there are still a few newcomers left that are hidden to be unlocked after the game is released. I don't mind if they don't get a trailer, it's not really necessary for every newcomer to get one. But there's still characters from recent games and much older games that can still be chosen. (Like maybe Chibi-Robo, Takamaru, Dixie Kong, Issac, Ray, etc) They have moveset potential. They are unique. They add a little more variety. But most of the newcomers, even the rumored ones are from games released from the past 5-7 years or so. Why not a mix of both old and new? Especially characters that could have been in Brawl because they were relevant enough then?

 

[ChikoLad]

Rosalina is second?

Holy ****, dude.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well I'm not voting yet because ridley is looking good for joining the fray.


Especially because of one of the latest pyrosphere pictures it shows megaman and pikachus shadows and ridleys can fit in it.

 

[UberMadman]

I am very happy with the newcomer list so far. More will always be welcome of course, but I'll take what we got gladly.

Besides, for those who don't make it, there's always Smash 5.

 

[FancysaurusRex]

I feel pretty stoked about this game, honestly. I do feel like less of the characters made me go WHOAH when I saw them, but there are now characters am finding myself retroactively hyped for. I did not give a crap about characters like Pac Man or Greninja until they got shown, now I'm super stoked for them.

In my experience, I found that the characters I wanted in Brawl were not the ones I wound up maining, apart from Olimar. My mains were the characters I didn't expect, like ROB and Lucas.

Also, I feel like I'm the only one who wants LESS gen 1 Pokemon. Therefore, while Greninja wasn't my top pick from gen 6 (Haaaaawlucha) I still appreciate the variety.

 

[josh bones]

I liked all the newcomers aside from pacman, his moveset was a jumbled mess imo

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

Rosalina is second?

Holy ****, dude.

Is this a surprise to you? She got #1 on the WiR poll

 

[Acadian Flycatcher]

Guaranteed if Smash 64 was being released in this day people would have been ****ting on the whole roster.

Fox?? He drives a plane, how the **** will he fight?

Captain Falcon?? Great another ****ing pilot.. Is he going to drive his car over everyone?

Yoshi is so stupid, would he just lick people to death?

Jigglypuff... are you on ****ing drugs???

What the **** is a Ness?

Luigi.. a ****ing clone of Mario taking up valuable roster space... great.

 

[majorasmaskfan]

If this is it this will be the first smash with no new villains since 64.

 

[Super Writer]

When I am both really excited to play as Greninja while at the same time feeling he's the worst character choice yet, I think that says something about what I think about them, heh heh.

Nintendo has kind of ran out of logical series to really represent, so I'm really happy to see they are really thinking out of the box with ones like Wii Fit Trainer, Villager and 3rd part reps.

For those that care, my most excited to least excited are:

 

[wewewezing]

I would love to see at least 3 more newcomers, but at the moment, there is no one I complain about being in

I'm VERY excited to play as Villager, with Pacman then Mii Fighters tying for second

 

[ShrekItRalph]

I can't really accept only 12 characters. Isn't that too little compared to the amount of newcomers we got in Melee and Brawl?

Melee only had 14 Newcomers, including 6 clones. I would prefer 12 unique new characters over that.

 

[wewewezing]

Melee only had 14 Newcomers, including 6 clones. I would prefer 12 unique new characters over that.

I agree with this....so very much

But I do think that the end roster will have some clones inevitably, at least we have mod's to look forward to fix them (Project M for Smash 4 would be a dream come true)

 

[LeeYawshee]

Wii Fit Trainer is my number one because Wii Fit actually managed to turn my fat life around.
Mega Man was my first video game character.
Villager is special because the game I play the most with my girlfriend is Animal Crossing
Rosalina brings a new and exciting gameplay mechanic.
Little Mac is very dear to my heart. I was obsessed with boxing as a kid and Punch Out was one of my favorite games as a child.
Greninja is pretty cool, my least favorite so far since I hated him in X and Y
Mii Fighters are awesome. The best way to relieve some anger is by taking advantage of miis
Palutena is a personal favorite of mine, not more to say.
Pac-Man is a gaming icon and I managed to get at least 4 people interested in Smash Bros by just mentioning Pac-Man. One of these people was my mother who doesn't even know what the **** Smash Bros is despite watching me play it too many times.
Shulk is part of my favorite game of all time.
Chorus Boys, I don't care about them.
Chrom. Boring main protagonist, amazing game. I'll deal with him.

Was expecting this...

Let me try:
As much as I've been finding most of these newcomers ones I've been acquainted with before in some form or another, I would have rather wanted to see Dixie, Toad, K.Rool, Ridley, Isaac, Takamaru, Lip, Mewtwo, Roy, Tingle... you know, all the folks we all speculated on majorly, and as of now only three (Little Mac, Palutena and Mega Man, I guess Shulk + Chrom) got to be in. Rest are up in arms with controversities through defending Sakurai's genius, dealing with losses and tolerating/jumping to the support because well, they made through the cut. Never the less, I might keep on feeling there could have been more characters the fanbase would have loved as much as the newcomers Sakurai putted on creativity about. Or heck, even more than what we're getting.


Frankly, I keep thinking that SSB-series is about to lose what sparked my love for it a the first place: the playground for match-testing and putting my beloved Nintendo-characters take on each other, as well as an amazing gathering of them all together. Particularly those who I'm familiar with and been acquainted with before SSB, and after SSB because I found them cool in their original games, and are well-established representatives of those franchises. (For example. the Core 4s, like SMB's Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad, DKC's DK, Diddy, Dixie and Cranky Kong. Or KDL's Kirby, Meta-Knight, King Dedede and now Bandana Dee. )
Likewise, Pokemon's most beloved, Pikachu, Charizard, Mewtwo, Lucario, etc. Also the two significant characters from some series, like Samus and Ridley. You get me?) And then the characters out there that you've never seen before, but have history that's well-hidden, but that seems kinda covered in this installment (Shulk? Little Mac? I dunno.)

What I don't like now is that at the moment, it's about whoever is chosen as a fighter for certain reasons or just merely because Sakurai felt interested on being creative with them. Like, who wanted Wii Fit Trainer? Are we forced to like her now or respect more than some characters we were acquainted with in the past from our childhood because Sakurai made her a fighter?) and gets to bask in the beautiful spotlight of recognition, usually new-found popularity, and "tears of fanboys" because they took away another opportunity for more fun and relatable match-up or gathering of characters you wanted to take on each other but only could do so in Smash Bros (such as K.Rool VS Bowser, Toad VS Bowser Jr. or Bandana Dee, Ridley VS Mewtwo, etc.). All while Sakurai's crowned as an eternal genius for just the characters he's including, no matter how absurd, and ABUNDANT, they can get.

Lastly, those who're left in the sidelines are always gonna stay inferior to the ones playable, to the point that they feel waste of breath and code in the game because they don't hold any significance to the fanbase community except bitter feels or plain uninterest. They're nothing more worth than a mere virtual dog or angry mole yapping at you for 3 minutes straight. But that's charm of Smash Bros for you. They're nothing mere than pseudo-summons that are forced to help you rather than help you because you want them to. There's no way you can touch on them with as much beloved affinity as with playable characters because frankly, they're tools with A.I that resemble their more remembered selves from the games they're from, usually with as sweet, or even sweeter memories than some of the fighters in the roster you see.

I might sound self-entitled, but I at least told my reasoning for why I feel all this.

(And I'll never be able to relate at so-cloney "Toon Link" with as much fondness as I have at "Hero of Winds" from my childhood. Ever. )

So you want a character that you've seen before instead of a new character that could change the games you play? If Sakurai hadn't decided to add Marth and Roy just because people didn't speculate them, I can assure you that Roy would not be on that list you mentioned. Smash Bros is not just about dream matches, it's about bringing characters into a new environment and showing them off in a way that introduces characters to people who have never seen them before. Who wanted Roy in Smash Bros? No one, because Smash Bros was his debut. Who wanted Ness in Smash Bros? No one, most of the people never knew about him. Who wanted R.O.B. in Smash Bros? No one. Because a toy fighting in a video game made for video game characters is stupid. Smash Brothers is not about the requests or about who gets in. It's about the experience you get seeing amazing characters duke it out. Even if you hate the fact that a character is in, you will always appreciate the fact that another character that you like is also in.

If I didn't understand what you were saying, please correct me so I don't look like a jackass(my picture does not do me justice).

 

[Octillus]

Love me some Little Mac

 

[wewewezing]

Love me some Little Mac

I was really excited to play Little Mac at first, but then the whole thing came out about his Ground/Air game

I operate in the air in all iterations of Smash Bros, so Little Mac kinda fell from Grace x_x

 

[Greda]

Woah, nice art.

 

[Canuckduck]

Woah, nice art.

Ikr?

 

[DrRiceBoy]

I like all of them as they all bring something unique to the table. Palutena looks especially fun.

 

[Anop]

It´s fine as long as they don´t kill off any of the original 12..

 

[☆Jazz☆]

It´s fine as long as they don´t kill off any of the original 12..

Trust me, they will be in ^^.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Maybe we should split the Miis in 3 ? It's 3 newcomers in a way ; swordfighter, gunner and brawler with 12 special moves each. So it's 14 newcomers !
I can't wait to play as mii gunner and fire at Little Mac from far away.

 

[Aqueducts]

imo this is my favorite batch of newcomers compared to any other Smash game. Rosalina is a cherished character to me, Villager is from one of my most beloved series, Mega Man and Pac Man are freaking classic, and Mac has deserved his spot since Brawl in my mind. The other characters are icing on the cake and so will the other newcomers for me!

So yeah, newcomers are fine.

 

[ChikoLad]

Is this a surprise to you? She got #1 on the WiR poll

Yes, because she's probably the most controversial choice from what I've seen on here, on Tumblr, and on other places, even more than Wii Fit Trainer.

Also, what's the WiR poll?

 

[Aguki90]

I can review them in my opinion:In order except the rumored

Villager-Weird as first, but later, him is the perfect icon of Animal crossing series and is a series that already become really important to Nintendo.

Mega Man- A classic retro NES Character, Highly requested and the best of all, is a real ranged fighter, impressive moveset.

Wii Fit Trainer- Even look generic and What the Hell. She Got potential Moveset after the direct was show, that heavy breathing is amazing.

Rosalina and Luma- Ehhhh...I never like her... She got a good moveset and she is a Puppet master... I really don't undrstand why she there.

Little Mac- Retro NES Character are soo freaking awesome, Little Mac is all punch and punch, like a real man. even is moveset look generic, In reality is unique.

Greninja- He really come out nowhere. I like its moveset though, I never like that much, but I really like him.

The Miis- Even I though there gonna suck. I still how I impress they managed to do a Fighter Mii instead a stuped mii with a racket. NOW you can use sword and freaking ARM Cannons and custom moves, customs sizes and custom suit. Soo sad cannot use with with anyone online, except with FRIENDS.

Palutena- I really really like her. My gawd she using a super unique weapon like rosalina(she use a wand.) She use a staff/spear and a shield to the battle, that freaking sweet. the special moves may be kinda interesting. (ROCKET JUMP!!!)

Pac-Man- Best Third party EVER. Full of nostalgia! I like this Yellow eating BALL. HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE.

Shulk- Is from a very successful Franchise. He got amazing music. HE SOO GOOD THE MUSIC THAT it the main reason I want him in smash bros and become the next fire emblem. He is my most wanted because I want him become BIG hit.

Chrom- I found boring in smash. But, he come from a very successful franchise, So successful that the fire emblem series are now famous all america, all thanks to awakening and yeah chrom. But all Awakening characters Chrom is a little bit better choice than Robin for the personality and the Role of the story. I don't like him but not that much as Rosalina and Greninja.

Chorus Kids- I love the Rhythm Heaven Series, I freaking love this series, I love this series more than Metroid and Star fox. Is just...is just... I love this game. There reason there gonna be in the game is because this game sell a lot in Japan, Japan love this game and there lots of parody of it in majority, in Japan. Rhythm Heaven Series is like the PERFECT Rival of Wario, because the game was made mostly from people who made the warioware series, heck there even crossover of those characters is just that crazy weird. Just give me Wario and the Chorus Kids pls.

Melee only had 14 Newcomers, including 6 clones. I would prefer 12 unique new characters over that.

Every time and every day.

 

[Deleted member]

I like all of the new characters, and if the remaining 3 are all that's left, I'd be okay with that. Sure, it's great to pit certain characters against each other, but really, my favorite part of Smash Bros. is the gameplay. Prior to playing Melee for the first time at a friend's, I'm embarrassed to admit I only knew who the Mario characters, Kirby, and Pikachu were. It wasn't until I was older that I got a Nintendo console for the first time, so really, I was introduced to basically every character through Smash. As such, I don't get as much of a thrill from pitting Mario against Link as others do. What I look for in a character is how they play rather than who they are. Thus far, all the character (with the exception of the Mii) look like they will add a lot to the game in terms of how they play, and how one will play against them. I withold all judgements toward possible future characters until I see them in action. I have faith Sakurai and the team will be able to make them work, and work well. (Even Chrom) Miis on the other hand, are more or less customizable characters in the form of the Mii. I had always wanted such a feature, but I never thought it would happen. "Fan-favorites" such as Ridley or King K. Rool do nothing for me, as I have no connection to them. Their exclusion does not soil the roster for me. I have no doubt though, that they could be just as interesting as the existing cast if done right.

tl;dr: I'd only hate a roster of characters if none of them diversified the gameplay in terms of matchups and whatnot.

 

[YoPoYo9100]

I picked Pac-Man, with Mega Man in a close second. I would still love to see King K. Rool as a newcomer though.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

I feel like some of the newcomers get an unfairly bad rap popularity wise, especially Rosalina and Greninja (and to a lesser extent, Palutena). These people actually *were* genuinely popular, and to pretend that they were nobodies getting over random fan favorites just because they weren't strong in the speculation community gives them a disservice. I'm not particularly interested in newcomers to *have* outside of Ridley, and even he isn't a dealbreaker to me. I already have Sonic, Pikachu, and the playstyles offered by Megaman and Greninja intrigue me more than any real newcomer by presence alone. Brawl speculation burned a bit because I was guilty of bandwagoning with Micaiah, someone who didn't really stand much of a chance. But based Palutena gave me everything I wanted with a light bearer.

I still maintain that Toon Link is the worst confirmed character due to already being a freaking Link, and his cloney nature is more of an insult to injury than a straight up core reason. Dr. Mario was the worst newcomer ever, and I'm grateful if he, Young Link, and Pichu never take up a playable slot again.

I picked Palutena, but I actually wavered between her and Greninja.

 

[TheDMonroeShow]

I feel like a lot of the people unhappy with the roster are the same type of people mad every time there's a new pokemon generation.

This is just my personal opinion but because a lot of the newcomers are from new series or in rosalina's case a new character from a series, the people that seem to be upset are people who don't play newer games that these characters are from and refuse to take off their nostalgia glasses like the people who complain new gens in pokemon are worse because not muh gen one.

Now this isn't always the case and there's nothing wrong with disliking a few newcomers but just the people who complain about the rooster in MY experience are people who have never played any of their respective games.

That being said me personally I'm mostly excited for palutena and shulk but I'm pretty happy with the roster over all. I'd be happy if we didn't get any more characters then the leak..but I'm not saying I wouldn't want more!

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

There's only one part of the roster I'm not satisfied with...

Villains. So far, there are only TWO villains confirmed for this game, and they're both veterans! I guess Ganondorf will be returning as well, so three.

All of the newcomers are either a protagonist or just neutral (Mii Fighter, Greninja). K.Rool, Ridley, Bowser Jr., Mewtwo, someone.

I just want to play as the bad guys.

 

[TheDMonroeShow]

There's only one part of the roster I'm not satisfied with...

Villains. So far, there are only TWO villains confirmed for this game, and they're both veterans! I guess Ganondorf will be returning as well, so three.

All of the newcomers are either a protagonist or just neutral (Mii Fighter, Greninja). K.Rool, Ridley, Bowser Jr., Mewtwo, someone.

I just want to play as the bad guys.

Since we probably won't be getting to many villains at this point,if any. I'm hopping Smash 5 gives the villains the treatment that the female characters got this time around, with over doubling the amount of them their are.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm okay with the newcomers so far. Sakurai has put enough effort into them to make me want to try them all, not to mention that he made me want characters like Rosalina and Pac-Man who I had very little interest in.

That actually makes me excited about the wonders he could do if he gets his hands on a character I want.

 

[Baskerville]

Yes, because she's probably the most controversial choice from what I've seen on here, on Tumblr, and on other places, even more than Wii Fit Trainer.

Also, what's the WiR poll?

Well, even though some people don't necessarily like the character herself they appreciated her from a gameplay perspective at least.

 

[DakotaBonez]

I was kinda thrown off by how generic and expressionless characters like the villager and 3 miis got in. Megaman and Wii Fit Trainer also show no emotion, but one's a robot and the other's a mannequin so that's fine, also megaman and wii fit trainer are widely recognized characters, but the initial reveal with Villager, Megaman and WFT was just so weird, because it felt like the characters just didn't have the soul that every other character had.

I actually got two of my most wanted characters for the game with Little Mac and Megaman, and although I wasn't as hyped for Rosalina and Greninja, I know that every nintendo kid these days has grown with those characters.

I was extremely disappointed by characters who became assist trophies like Saki and Dillon, but they haven't shown Isaac yet so I got a strong feeling he'll be playable this time around.

Palutena's inclusion was just total bias from Sakurai, of course I was glad to see her so that the roster wouldn't be flooded with blonde chicks, and holy sh$# her attacks look awesome. But all of the characters shown so far look very interesting to play as.

I hope we get another villain (Ridley, K. Rool, Black Shadow), and my biggest personal request is Chibi-Robo.

I think its strange how Shiek is still in the game, I mean its the same shiek from Ocarina of Time. Couldn't we get the more modern version of her with Skyward Sword's Impa? Ivysaur and Squirtle being cut sucks, but honestly who wanted them in the first place? I swear Ivysaur was less obvious to people than Wii Fit Trainer, but Ivysaur's unique moveset was so much fun.
I hope Snake doesn't get cut, like Ivysaur, it'd be a waste of an awesome moveset.

I really thought that Paper Mario or Balloon Fighter would be in the game by now. I mean one's is an iconic character with fun moveset potential and the other is a generic character to balance out the paper hype.

In conclusion, the roster has satisfied alot of my wants, got me hyped for characters I never would have thought of, and even made the mii's badass.

 

[ChikoLad]

I feel like part of the reason people get disappointed or hateful of certain characters is because they limit themselves to certain types, and also misinterpret certain characters too.

The two types that seem so commonly requested are badass/beastly looking characters (Ridley, Black Shadow, Magnus etc), that fit in with characters like Fox, Falco, Samus, etc. Because those guys look like they are more for an older, testosterone fueled crowd.

The other type is "iconic/old" characters (Pac-Man, Toad, Daisy, etc, are the sort of characters that were requested for pretty much this reason, and nothing else).

And personally I hate that mindset, because characters shouldn't get a free pass because they look cool and intimidating, or they are simply well-known.

I also find asking for characters because they look intimidating or badass to be hilariously ironic because half of the time, those characters would lose to the "babyish" or "too cutesy" characters.

I mean, call Rosalina "uuuggh shes just a wimpy little Blue Peach" all you want, but:

Don't try and tell me she ain't badass enough to be in Smash, she would absolutely obliterate Ridley with her canon abilities (even if he is "too big" ).

I could say the same about Palutena too, and just in general, I think the phrase "never judge a book by it's cover" applies really well to Smash.

 

[majorasmaskfan]

I feel like part of the reason people get disappointed or hateful of certain characters is because they limit themselves to certain types, and also misinterpret certain characters too.

The two types that seem so commonly requested are badass/beastly looking characters (Ridley, Black Shadow, Magnus etc), that fit in with characters like Fox, Falco, Samus, etc. Because those guys look like they are more for an older, testosterone fueled crowd.

The other type is "iconic/old" characters (Pac-Man, Toad, Daisy, etc, are the sort of characters that were requested for pretty much this reason, and nothing else).

And personally I hate that mindset, because characters shouldn't get a free pass because they look cool and intimidating, or they are simply well-known.

I also find asking for characters because they look intimidating or badass to be hilariously ironic because half of the time, those characters would lose to the "babyish" or "too cutesy" characters.

I mean, call Rosalina "uuuggh shes just a wimpy little Blue Peach" all you want, but:

Don't try and tell me she ain't badass enough to be in Smash, she would absolutely obliterate Ridley with her canon abilities (even if he is "too big" ).

I could say the same about Palutena too, and just in general, I think the phrase "never judge a book by it's cover" applies really well to Smash.

I think most people who supported ridley enjoyed rosalina as a newcomer considering the shipping fan art that started in that thread months ago.