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New Vids . Tell me what i need to work on

PB&J

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like the title says. tell me what i need to work on. i know lasers are a must but besides that. you see stuff that i dont see so teach me the ways of the wind


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bv1-YZCflk i play fox after 2 matches dont mind those but u can give some advice on those too if u want

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTM_oz01My8

i really want my falco to be as good as my fox..it feels like my falco is moving in slow motion..i need to be more fluid with him so any input would be helpful. thank in advanced

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Doomblaze

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When he started pressuring your shield, you either rolled or full hopped a lot, you can shine out of shield instead and start combos.
Instead of comboing at low %, you shine-->shine--> daired him, which doesnt combo into anything, and he tended to hit you back after that. Instead, shine--> dair multiple times to **** him.
That was first match, you shine-daired more second match
 

PB&J

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with the controller i have now(no grip on the analog) its hard for me to shine out of shield, but i usually do it but thanks on the combo advice though
 

Druggedfox

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Hey PB&J just watched those matches and a couple of basic things I'd point out:

Gotta have some "set combos" in mind that are kinda your goal, and you can improv if need be. Like against fox on FD Dair -> shine -> dair-> shine -> nair/fair -> fsmash. Of course DI varies, and that doesn't even work if they DI the nair/fair correctly, but that's when you start changing it up by ending in dair -> down smash instead.

Watch vids for sure. That's the best way to kinda have those set combos in your head. Sure, people get creative, they're not all the same, but it's funny how much of it actually IS just the same concepts over and over just applied a bit differently.

Dair-> reverse uptilt is like, the most amazing thing with falco. Against fox it'll lead to fsmashes, on characters like marth it can lead to a quick shine -> bair, or on platform stages against most character you can just do it repeatdly. All the good falcos just do dair -> uptilt repeatedly on platform stages until they see a good chance for a finisher. Also, it's amazingly helpful against jiggs: dair ->uptilt ->shine -> bair... not hard at all, but gets you a good ~40%, two of those and she's already in kill range.

Getting away from comboing, you're doing something a lot of people do which gets them killed against better players... relying on just coming in from above with a dair. In a lot of the matches against fox on FD you'd just full jump/double jump really high above red mist and just come down with a dair. If you want your falco to get as good as your fox... most high level opponents just DD out the way and grab falco before he can shine. It feels like such a good approach (I think everyone starting out with falco uses it) but you have to get rid of it and focus more on getting your hits in other ways.

Besides the fact that lasers are a must, have you tried doing a jump + quick double jump and then shooting one high laser and one low? I saw you full hop lasering a bit, and if you want to cover high approaches without leaving yourself too vulnerable, that's the way to do it. It's really good beacuse you can base the lasers off reaction: after doing a quick double jump and you shoot the high one, if they've run below you can fastfall and shoot a low one, but if they continued their aerial approach you can actually shoot two high ones to stop them.

Last thing: falco's bair. It's amazing. Mango's falco is the best example of using a combination of autocanceled bairs and shffl'd bairs combined with uptilts, shines, and fsmashes to outspace his opponent. A lot of falcos never use this, and I have no idea why. Falco's bair autocancels from a shorthop, allowing you to catch your opponent when they think you're vulnerable. Also, doing this against shields then DI'ing away gets a lot of players to instinctively shield grab and eat an fsmash to the face.

One last thing: you're dairing from too far away against his shield. It's causing low shield stun on the dair, and causing you to hit the shield too high. Nair shine is actually a really good way to prevent shield grabbing, but dair's good to, you just have to watch that. To get around shields, you can also try aerialing and letting your momentum carry you behind the shield.

Those are pretty much all the glaring things I saw; since you're just picking up falco, nitpicking details won't do anything, but definitely look into those. You have a hella technical fox, picking up on falco tech skill shouldn't be much different xDD (If you're real good, add shine JC grab to your play just to mess with people who expect pillaring)
 

PB&J

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thanks man..this helped alot..i was just playing red mist again and i did some of these things. i guess i have to play falco more to make it feel natural like my fox. i was doing extremely well against his jiggs too doing dair tech chase dair uptilt bair to ****. im getting there. shine grabs are usuefull.i do them to ganon and shiek alot since they shield alot and marth.

ill keep playing falco and post some more vids in a week or two, but u and articanus should come to gwinnett and play us sometime before the summer ends.

oh and red mist is soft by the way if you know who that is. thanks for the advice..keep it coming .
 

LLDL

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You seem to high jump sometimes to dair. That's not a good idea because if they knock you down you will have no jump and fall into the pit. Also your full hop lasers, instead of just jumping and pressing b, you can add more control to the lasers by reaching the peak of your jump first and then fast falling with lasers coming out. Just make sure you aren't too close to the fox when you do that either.
 

Druggedfox

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Oh that's soft? Yeah i know who soft is xD Also, I'll be in ATL for good starting mid august so I'll plan to smash =]

Also, glad anything I said could help; looking forward to improvement in next vids =]
 

illboyzeus

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become more efficient with the shine. My philosophy with falco has always been it doesn't matter how good the fox is, if I can get 6 or so shines, I should win. make him seriously pay for making that mistake, every combo should net you a good 50% and in a advantageous position.
 

DaShizWiz

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Ok

1:09 on this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bv1-YZCflk

You should have done with down air to another shine instead of finishing the combo in the air with a Shine to Dair.

^ Same with 1:26-1:29

At 1:34 when you got knocked off you shouldn't of jumped, you shoulda just let yourself fall a little lower because Red Mist called your jump. Next time fall lower then jump, or shine and hold the shine for a second.

At 1:38, instead of the shield grab you should of shined out of shield and possibly started a combo there. Or if you are going to grab throw them up which will most likely lead to a Nair aerial or a Fair/Bair aerial.

You can apply alot of the tips i just gave you for your first match in your playstyle, and itll reflect on your next matches as well.
 
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