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[PadWarrior]

Man you can really see the personalities of the characters in this game. I love it! They all look so lively!

 

[LeeYawshee]

Actually, it kind of looks more like her walk animation from Brawl. She was very... upright(I think that's the word)

 

[MechaWave]

Actually, it kind of looks more like her walk animation from Brawl. She was very... upright(I think that's the word)

Yes, it is.

 

[GreenReaperGod]

Man you can really see the personalities of the characters in this game. I love it! They all look so lively!

Yeah, I really like how Sakurai has added a lot more emotion to the characters

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Yeah, I really like how Sakurai has added a lot more emotion to the characters

This makes me wonder what Mewtwo's emotions would look like.

 

[Mewter]

This makes me wonder what Mewtwo's emotions would look like.

1. Angry
2. Seething
3. Mildly Upset

 

[MasterLuigi]

I hope we will be allowed to take similar screenshots in Smash 4. The pause camera in Brawl was way too restricted.

 

[Kapus]

Graphics are once again looking stellar. The magic effects on Zelda's attacks are really pretty to look at (I spent quite a while staring at the first image alone)

The pikmin screenshots are also super cute.

 

[Mr. Mumbles]

1. Angry
2. Seething
3. Mildly Upset

You forgot irate.

 

[Deleted member]

Holy crap!

Where are these from?

Anyway, what you labeled as Nayru's love looks more like one of her taunts from Brawl, the one where she charges the fireball.

Din's fire wind up, looks shoddy. It could be anything.

Transform, doesn't look like transform, calling it a "new animations" is just grasping at straws here. There is no conclusive evidence that the Phantom is not a new move of Zelda. Also, we see no photos of her "phantom summon" pose.

Ftilt looks more like Dtilt, the footsies.

Especially since Ftilt got a new animation (it seems FSmash has a new one too).

Glad to see her Nair and Farore's Wind are back though.

Anyway, nice find, but don't be so quick to think the Phantom is an AT, when it's featured on the photos on Zelda's page on the main site. No characters have ANY ATs featured in their character page's photos, all of their photos on there show them either interacting with other characters, or, showing off new/old skills. Thus, the likelihood that the Phantom is one of Zelda's new moves, is quite high.

Sheik not being shown doesn't mean anything, but, the possiblity that Impa has replaced her still exists. Analyzing the photos isn't gonna bring you much closer to that until either A) Impa is revealed, or B)Sheik is revealed. Even if the Phantom is a new move (which it very likely is, like it or not), it isn't necessarily her Down B. I'm still pulling for that personally though. I wanna see Zelda go solo, and get a dedicated Ninja.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Man you can really see the personalities of the characters in this game. I love it! They all look so lively!

Personality.
Nintendo characters.

Kinda nice that we don't have to pick just one, for once. ¦D

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Personality.
Nintendo characters.

Kinda nice that we don't have to pick just one, for once. ¦D

To be honest, I'd prefer to only pick one in some situations (Other M.)

 

[Big-Cat]

That's probably a good thing then. Not everyone likes the same personalities.

 

[Deleted member]

>Personality.
>Nintendo characters.

Kinda nice that we don't have to pick just one, for once. ¦D

FTFY

lrn24chan you roody poo

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

FTFY

lrn24chan you roody poo

You go to that den of slobbering braindead monkeys? D:

I pity you. ¦D

 

[Muster]

Holy crap!



Transform, doesn't look like transform, calling it a "new animations" is just grasping at straws here. There is no conclusive evidence that the Phantom is not a new move of Zelda. Also, we see no photos of her "phantom summon" pose.

the "phantom summoning" pose is the pose she makes when calling an assist trophy in brawl

Spoiler

Credit to JamesDNaux from the social thread

 

[Deleted member]

You go to that den of slobbering braindead monkeys? D:

I pity you. ¦D

>implying I'm not a slobbering braindead monkey myself...

the "phantom summoning" pose is the pose she makes when calling an assist trophy in brawl

Spoiler

Credit to JamesDNaux from the social thread

It's possible, but it doesn't prove anything. The fact that it was showcased in her character page still weigh heavily.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You go to that den of slobbering braindead monkeys? D:

I pity you. ¦D

>Not going to the den of slobbering braindead monkeys.

 

[StarshipGroove]

Especially since Ftilt got a new animation (it seems FSmash has a new one too).

You are rong!

Credit goes to Neogaf's Rice

Diddy Kong's face when Sheik is confirmed

 

[Deleted member]

@ StarshipGroove

You're right, you've bested me, Kudos.

Glad Din's Fire is back then (prays for PM Din's Fire to find its way into Smash4).

I was right about the taunt though.

Also, everything else still stands, about Down B and all that. In fact, with this, why would Transform get a new animation if everything else is the same?

 

[Substitution]

It's possible, but it doesn't prove anything. The fact that it was showcased in her character page still weigh heavily.

Maybe it was put there to throw us off. This is Sakurai after all...

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe it was put there to throw off us. This is Sakurai after all...

I think your location is the appropriate reply to this post

 

[Substitution]

I think your location is the appropriate reply to this post

Haven't we already seen her Transform animation?

 

[Deleted member]

Haven't we already seen her Transform animation?

Nope.

 

[Big-Cat]

You are rong!

Credit goes to Neogaf's Rice

Diddy Kong's face when Sheik is confirmed

If anything, we can see Zelda having actual facial expressions and changes and changes in attack effects. Otherwise, the animations appear the same.

So this still begs why would Transform change then. I'm still holding out that Phantom Knights is a new move.

 

[APC99]

the "phantom summoning" pose is the pose she makes when calling an assist trophy in brawl

Spoiler

Credit to JamesDNaux from the social thread

Hmmm...

That's good news. However, the Phantom, if he's an Assist Trophy, has rather quick start-up. And, in the picture of the Galaxy stage with Link and Peach, where's the AT? I think it's the delay for Resetti's AT in that picture.

 

[Muster]

Hmmm...

That's good news. However, the Phantom, if he's an Assist Trophy, has rather quick start-up. And, in the picture of the Galaxy stage with Link and Peach, where's the AT? I think it's the delay for Resetti's AT in that picture.

Some assist trophies start jump above the character when summoned, while others fall and attack immediately, my guess is that the phantom jumps forward after being summoned and slashes a few times before vanishing

 

[Morbi]

Hmmm...

That's good news. However, the Phantom, if he's an Assist Trophy, has rather quick start-up. And, in the picture of the Galaxy stage with Link and Peach, where's the AT? I think it's the delay for Resetti's AT in that picture.

Rather quick start-up? That is for sure, it would be instantaneous.

 

[APC99]

Rather quick start-up? That is for sure, it would be instantaneous.

What I'm saying is, when you use the AT, Phantom must immediately burst in front of you and attack, if that is the AT open pose for Zelda. Usually, for characters like Gray Fox and Goroh, you exit the pose before they hit the ground. Zelda is still in that pose and Phantom is attacking, meaning that he attacks INSTANTLY after getting out of the AT.

 

[pitthekit]

Hmm speaking of assist trophys I can't wait to kill mister resettti with villager hehehe damn ****** deleted my city folk save file.

 

[Morbi]

What I'm saying is, when you use the AT, Phantom must immediately burst in front of you and attack, if that is the AT open pose for Zelda. Usually, for characters like Gray Fox and Goroh, you exit the pose before they hit the ground. Zelda is still in that pose and Phantom is attacking, meaning that he attacks INSTANTLY after getting out of the AT.

That is my point exactly. It would literally be hitting someone before the 15ish frame animation ends.

 

[Big-Cat]

Hmmm...

That's good news. However, the Phantom, if he's an Assist Trophy, has rather quick start-up. And, in the picture of the Galaxy stage with Link and Peach, where's the AT? I think it's the delay for Resetti's AT in that picture.

That's what I'm thinking. It's way too quick for it to be her AT summoning animation AND have the PK attack. In fact, the vast majority, if not all, of the Assist Trophies had a little entrance animation before actually doing anything.

And as it has been mentioned yet ignored thousands of times, take note of the fact we have yet to have an assist trophy revealed through a character's page screenshots. While Sakurai may troll and seem unpredictable at times, he surely has a structure for this sort of thing.

Can you imagine if we saw a Luma in Peach's page screenshots?

 

[Muster]

That's what I'm thinking. It's way too quick for it to be her AT summoning animation AND have the PK attack. In fact, the vast majority, if not all, of the Assist Trophies had a little entrance animation before actually doing anything.

And as it has been mentioned yet ignored thousands of times, take note of the fact we have yet to have an assist trophy revealed through a character's page screenshots. While Sakurai may troll and seem unpredictable at times, he surely has a structure for this sort of thing.

Can you imagine if we saw a Luma in Peach's page screenshots?

characters like Gundam, excitebike, and hammer bros. start attacking as soon as they're summoned, and who's to say the trophy pose animation hasn't been lengthened somewhat? heck, we may not even summon assist trophies the same in this game.

It's not really a "troll", Sakurai is just showing off a zelda related assist trophy alongside zelda, it's not like the phantom warrants a pic of the day for it like Skull kid did, it's just a fodder character after all. Also, this is a toon phantom being summoned, why would she have a toon phantom in her moveset? it'd be like adult link pulling out a cartoon bomb or toon link using the double clawshots.

 

[bloodbuzzed]

I highly doubt Sakurai would cut Sheik, who by now is very popular and a staple to the Smash series and to Zelda herself as a character within the series. If he was planning on doing scrapping her altogether or to replace her with Impa why would he be blatantly toying with the fans as much as he is in the screenshots (which are obviously very manipulated and meticulously picked), only to let them down in the end with Sheik being nowhere in sight?

The massive fan outcry when Roy and Mewtwo were cut from Brawl probably taught him how passionate people are about their characters, and that cutting certain characters in particular is a bad idea (not too many were upset by Pichu/Dr.Mario for example). He also said there are no cuts so far and he wants everyone to make it in.

Sheik was revealed way after Zelda on Brawl Dojo, and this is much the same thing I am willing to bet, and done a second time for much the same reason.

Phantom is an AT and the screenshot is very-cleverly timed and purposefully provocative to entice this sort of reaction from the fans.

 

[Big-Cat]

It's not really a "troll", Sakurai is just showing off a zelda related assist trophy alongside zelda, it's not like the phantom warrants a pic of the day for it like Skull kid did, it's just a fodder character after all. Also, this is a toon phantom being summoned, why would she have a toon phantom in her moveset? it'd be like adult link pulling out a cartoon bomb or toon link using the double clawshots.

Actually, look carefully at the proportions of the Phantom Knight and you can see that it's NOT a toon phantom.

The biggest difference between the Smash 4 version and the Spirit Tracks one is in body proportions. The Wind Waker art style gives the men a top heavy look where the upper body is big and the legs are comparatively smaller. This is not the case with the Smash 4 Phantom Knight who uses the same realistic proportions as Link and Zelda but not Toon Link. It's hard to notice at first, but the Phantom Knight has its knees bent while striking. If the Phantom Knight was an assist trophy, why would it have an art style similar to Link and Zelda instead of Toon Link?

I highly doubt Sakurai would cut Sheik, who by now is very popular and a staple to the Smash series and to Zelda herself as a character within the series. If he was planning on doing scrapping her altogether or to replace her with Impa why would he be blatantly toying with the fans as much as he is in the screenshots (which are obviously very manipulated and meticulously picked), only to let them down in the end with Sheik being nowhere in sight?

The massive fan outcry when Roy and Mewtwo were cut from Brawl probably taught him how passionate people are about their characters, and that cutting certain characters in particular is a bad idea (not too many were upset by Pichu/Dr.Mario for example). He also said there are no cuts so far and he wants everyone to make it in.

Sheik was revealed way after Zelda on Brawl Dojo, and this is much the same thing I am willing to bet, and done a second time for much the same reason.

Phantom is an AT and the screenshot is very-cleverly timed and purposefully provocative to entice this sort of reaction from the fans.

Yet Sheik doesn't have to experience a similar fate like Mewtwo or Roy in Brawl. As I've said several times, making Sheik an alternate costume to Impa like the Wii Fit Trainers is where everyone wins unless you seriously played Sheilda.

 

[Muster]

Actually, look carefully at the proportions of the Phantom Knight and you can see that it's NOT a toon phantom.
The biggest difference between the Smash 4 version and the Spirit Tracks one is in body proportions. The Wind Waker art style gives the men a top heavy look where the upper body is big and the legs are comparatively smaller. This is not the case with the Smash 4 Phantom Knight who uses the same realistic proportions as Link and Zelda but not Toon Link. It's hard to notice at first, but the Phantom Knight has its knees bent while striking. If the Phantom Knight was an assist trophy, why would it have an art style similar to Link and Zelda instead of Toon Link?


Yet Sheik doesn't have to experience a similar fate like Mewtwo or Roy in Brawl. As I've said several times, making Sheik an alternate costume to Impa like the Wii Fit Trainers is where everyone wins unless you seriously played Sheilda.

No, the legs are bent in the artwork as well. Sakurai slightly changing the way a character looks isn't unheard of, especially considering the phantom's chibi look in spirit tracks/phantom hourglass. and artwork wise, the swirls in the armor point a lot more towards phantoms in new hyrule than darknuts in twilight princess which are the closest thing to that kind of enemy in those games.

And impa as a replacement scrappy is plain stupid, sakurai would never do that to sheik fans, especially considering these games going off of the TP art style which has a sheik but not an impa.

 

[Comeback Kid]

I'm rooting for old lady Impa with arthritis to be the transformation, I wanna see what the fans of that pointless character have to say then.

 

[CroonerMike]

I'm rooting for old lady Impa with arthritis to be the transformation, I wanna see what the fans of that pointless character have to say then.

I am rooting for large and in charge Impa. The one with the huge breast.

 

[Comeback Kid]

I am rooting for large and in charge Impa. The one with the huge breast.

She thick.

 

[Chiroz]

No, the legs are bent in the artwork as well. Sakurai slightly changing the way a character looks isn't unheard of, especially considering the phantom's chibi look in spirit tracks/phantom hourglass. and artwork wise, the swirls in the armor point a lot more towards phantoms in new hyrule than darknuts in twilight princess which are the closest thing to that kind of enemy in those games.

And impa as a replacement scrappy is plain stupid, sakurai would never do that to sheik fans, especially considering these games going off of the TP art style which has a sheik but not an impa.

The change from Chibi to full grown adult style is exactly what he's pointing at.

Changing art style for an Assist Trophy actually is something Sakurai stated he did not desire to do back in Brawl. Not only that but it goes against what assist trophies represent, which is representing the game they came from.

As for the reasoning why it does not look like TP guards its because this Zelda is not supposed to be "TP Zelda", otherwise she would not use things like Din's Fire or Nayru's Love. She's a representation of all Zeldas. If you wanted to represent Phantom Hourglass Zelda would you not include the same armor she uses in that game and adjust it to fit with the art style decided upon instead of using a completely different armor?

Also Sheik is not in TP. Just because Zelda puts on a face mask does not mean its Sheik.

Now, don't get me wrong, none of this means Sheik was cut or that the Phantom is a new move, there is no conclusive evidence yet but it does mean that your reasoning as to why it can't be a move is flawed.

I myself do believe it is a new move.

PS: Also someone care to give an explanation as to why Zelda is doing an specific pose while the Phantom attacks? No AT makes you do specific poses (after you've summoned it).