New Game, new team

[Niiro]

At a Glance:
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I've been thinking about making a team for the upcoming HGSS game, and I decided to make a team of my favorite Pokemon. So far, I went 18-4 with it, and I am just wondering what I can

improve on.

Typhlosion@Focus Sash
Mild 144 Atk / 252 SpA / 112 Spe
Eruption
OverHeat
EQ
Protect

Why this pokemon is one of my favorites: My favorite starter of all time, sorry Blastoise, and I still get tingles when I remember thunderpunching Gold's (my rival in Silver haha) Feraligatior.

What he does: Protect against fakeouters, exploders, erupts against everone else. Overheat is if he alive late game to semi-sweep. Protect is also an invaluable moves scout (though it cost me 2 games by letting

the opponent set-up). EQ is for the Heatran that switch in thinking I'm scarfed lol. Need help on the EVs.

Gardevoir@ ChoiceSpecs
Timid 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Trick
Psychic
Grassknot
ShadowBall

Why this pokemon is one of my favorites: By far the best Pokemon in the 3rd Gen, this Pokemon has been with me ever since. Sorry Alakazam, you've been replaced </3

What she does: Trick Specs onto walls, hits hard with STABed Psychic. Also my switch-in for the Elekid fully evolved form (dunno how to spell haha). Grass Knot surprises people, as does her speed. :D

Dragonite@Leftovers
Adamant 224 HP / 84 Atk / 200 Spe
DD
ThunderPunch (might change to fire punch after being ***** by a shedninja >.>)
DragonClaw
EarthQuake

Why this pokemon is one of my favorites: Best non-legendary dragon pokemon ever. Salamence and Garchomp can only wish they were as cool as her.

What she does: Dragon Dance and sweep. However, she hasn't really been doing her part in the team, and a new set-up would be appericiated :D. Gyra and Scizor have been sweeping much more often then

Dragonite, and she is getting jealous

Scizor@LifeOrb
Technician
Adamant 32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe
SD
BulletPunch
SuperPower
BugBite

Why this pokemon is one of my favorites: Would you belive me if I said I liked Scizor before it could learn Bullet Punch, use Technitian, or any of that goodness? Typhlosion and Scizor ***** planets back in

the good ol' days of Gold&Silver, and they are back ^^

What he does: SD up and kill things. Rotoms are gay though >.<

Metagross@leftovers
Adamant 112 HP/ 252 Atk / 12 Def/ 132 Spe
Meteor Mash
EQ
Agility
Icepunch

Why this pokemon is one of my favorites: A friend gave me a really good (flawless Adamant) Beldum a couple years ago, and I always wanted Metagross to star in one of my teams. However, this guy

(genderless lol :3 ) isn't strong at all. I don't want to use LO because the bulkness of this Pokemon would be wasted. I might consider changing this pokemon out all together. Maybe a Nidoking? xD

What he does: Agility-> Sweep. Only works very late game though, because he really isn't strong enough without a boosting item to OHKO bulky pokes. Poor guy

Gyrados@ Power Berry (forgot name . Liechi?)
Adamant 4 HP/ 252 Attack/ 252 Speed
DD
WaterFall
Substitute
Bounce

Why this pokemon is one of my favorites: My Red Gyrados in Silver was soooooo awesome. Though I am heavily considering SRing for a good one in HGSS, a normal Gyrados will have to do

What he does: Subs (or DDs) on switch, then gets down to low health do activate berry to wreak shop on the other team. My money maker, besides Scizor.


This pokemon is what was originally in Metagross's place

Jirachi@ChoiceScarf
Jolly 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
Iron Head
DracoMeteor
Uturn
Trick

Really just the Gamestop Jirachi. DracoMeteor is supposed to be the star, but it sucks lol.​

 

[UltiMario]

You really don't need elftovers on Metagross. Nothing will be outspeeding Metagross (unless theres like ScarfJolts around LOL) after it gets that Agility, so doing as much damage as possible in the time it has it necessary, and will probably save you more than hurt you. Put Life Orb on it and you'll be happy with the change.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Actually Scarf Gengar and Scarf Latias still outspeed Metagross after an agility.

I might suggest Lum Berry on Metagross actually. It allows you to set up on things like Blissey or to continue sweeping should you have to face a Rotom-A and the likes.

Dragonite isn't really gonna be doing much for you with that set. It's got that "SR+Scizor" problem that plagues Salamence and because it's bulky it's just plain going to lose to most walls. If you're set on using the thing use something balls out random like Specs Dragonite lol

CB Scizor > SD Scizor, if only because Uturn is an AMAZING move.

Edit: You're using standard Focus Punch EV's for Typh but since you're not using that attack there's no reason to bother with it. The only thing you're EQ hits harder than an HP ground would are Tyranitar and Blissey, neither of which will even come close to dying from repeated hits. HP Ground > EQ

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Nidoking may be a decent wallbreaker, but it isn't worth taking out Metagross for it. As Reaper said, toss on a Lum Berry to prevent status-abusers from setting up on you.

-Terywj

 

[Gates]

Entry hazards would really benefit this team. You should really consider working them in somehow.

Why Specs on Gardevoir instead of Scarf? It seems like she needs the speed.

I'm a fan of SD Scizor, but why not use U-Turn instead of Bug Bite? Do you really steal items much? Why not use the Bulky SD Scizor build with Roost and Brick Break instead of this build? Or even CB Scizor like Reaper said?

Hyper-aggressive teams don't always work out that well in Gen IV, especially if almost all of them need to boost first before getting things done. They all require superhuman levels of prediction to be good.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'm a fan of SD Scizor, but why not use U-Turn instead of Bug Bite? Do you really steal items much?

1. You lose Swords Dance boosts
2. You do less damage

 

[Gates]

Good point.

Still, isn't there something better anyway? Aerial Ace? Pursuit?

How often do you use Bug Bite to get rid of berries as opposed to just using it for damage? and those times you use it for damage, are there any times where Pursuit, AA, Bullet Punch, Superpower, or Brick Break would be better? I'm guessing the answers are "rarely" and "no".

 

[Pink Reaper]

Bug Bite benefits from Technician so it's BP jumps to 135 making it Scizors strongest attack. There's nothing wrong with using it.

 

[UltiMario]

I die a little on the inside when people ask why people use Bug Bite on Scizor....

 

[Gates]

I understand Bug Bite fine on a LEAD Scizor, but on other builds I just wonder if there are better options is all.

 

[supermarth64]

Good point.

Still, isn't there something better anyway? Aerial Ace? Pursuit?

How often do you use Bug Bite to get rid of berries as opposed to just using it for damage? and those times you use it for damage, are there any times where Pursuit, AA, Bullet Punch, Superpower, or Brick Break would be better? I'm guessing the answers are "rarely" and "no".

Aerial Ace would be for Grass- and Bug-type Pokemon. Celebi and Shaymin get destroyed more by Bug Bite and if they have HP Fire, can potentially kill Scizor. As for Bug-type Pokemon, Superpower/Brick Break would do more to Scizor and Bullet Punch would be better for Yanmega.

Night Slash would be better than Pursuit for SD Scizor, as the higher Base Power would be more useful. However, Rotom-A can WoW Scizor and Rotom-H can just Overheat it, so you're basically useless against those. Night Slash would only be useful on... Dusknoir, but Rotom-A is used a lot more.

Bug Bite is actually the best move for that Scizor because it's its best move against bulky Water-type Pokemon. The standard Vaporeon gets outsped and OHKOed by a +2 Bug Bite, while Swampert takes 80% minimum from it.

 

[Wave⁂]

Is it possible to force someone to be a PokéResearcher?

 

[Gates]

Alright, I admit when I'm wrong. A few things I'd like to touch on though.

Aerial Ace would be for Grass- and Bug-type Pokemon. Celebi and Shaymin get destroyed more by Bug Bite and if they have HP Fire, can potentially kill Scizor. As for Bug-type Pokemon, Superpower/Brick Break would do more to Scizor and Bullet Punch would be better for Yanmega. No argument here. Aerial Ace was kind of a lame idea and I only threw it out there for argument's sake. TBH the only thing it would be remotely good against would be Breloom, and even then it would be better to Bullet Punch to get damage in before Spore.

Night Slash would be better than Pursuit for SD Scizor, as the higher Base Power would be more useful. However, Rotom-A can WoW Scizor and Rotom-H can just Overheat it, so you're basically useless against those. Night Slash would only be useful on... Dusknoir, but Rotom-A is used a lot more. This is where I disagree. I think you're forgetting that the main use of Pursuit isn't to straight-up attack with it but to use it as a means of punishing opponents who want to switch out. I agree that against Rotom-H and other non-Trick Rotom-As that they're both useless, but against things like Starmie, Latias, and any choice pokemon not locked into a fire attack, Pursuit is strictly better. Night Slash on Scizor is like Flash Cannon on Heatran - you could do it and it wouldn't be too bad, but what's the point when you can use something else that's better in more situations?

 

[Wave⁂]

SD Scizor is a late-game sweeper. If you use +2 Pursuit on your opponent's Rotom as they switch out, great. If you use +2 Night Slash against Rotom as they switch out, who cares, you'll be seeing Rotom in a couple rounds anyways.

Also, crit rate.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Is it possible to force someone to be a PokéResearcher?

Unfortunately no. Umbreon heads the Researcher group, and Supermarth would have to apply to join.

-Terywj

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Supermarth IS a Pokemon Researcher. He just doesn't use the title. *Checked his profile*

 

[supermarth64]

Continuing on I guess...

Night Slash would be better than Pursuit for SD Scizor, as the higher Base Power would be more useful. However, Rotom-A can WoW Scizor and Rotom-H can just Overheat it, so you're basically useless against those. Night Slash would only be useful on... Dusknoir, but Rotom-A is used a lot more.

This is where I disagree. I think you're forgetting that the main use of Pursuit isn't to straight-up attack with it but to use it as a means of punishing opponents who want to switch out. I agree that against Rotom-H and other non-Trick Rotom-As that they're both useless, but against things like Starmie, Latias, and any choice pokemon not locked into a fire attack, Pursuit is strictly better. Night Slash on Scizor is like Flash Cannon on Heatran - you could do it and it wouldn't be too bad, but what's the point when you can use something else that's better in more situations?

Well I guess it depends on your point of view for Scizor. For example, I see SD Scizor as a straight-up sweeper, whereas you see him with a bit more utility. Also, when a person is locked into a non-Fire-type move in a Scizor, I'd rather use that turn to SD up unless I know they have something that checks Scizor, in which case I'd attack. If I already have a SD up and they switch those Pokemon in, I'd rather use Bullet Punch.

As for Pursuit vs Night Slash, I guess it depends on whether you want 60 BP staying in and 80 BP while switching out or 70 BP in general with a higher (augurbly useless) critical rate chance. I'd still rather have Bug Bite.

Also I didn't know I was actually part of the Pokemon Researcher club. I though Umbreon denied my application because I think my comment was like "Hai there" or something like that . I also thought I would've got a PM heh.

 

[Gates]

You know, I think my view of Scizor has been really skewed by the fact that I use him more in Ubers as a trapper than in OU as an attacker. Because of that I usually hold Pursuit in high regard since it works so well with Tickle Wobbuffet and against Giratina, more so than Night Slash and roughly as well as Bug Bite. When I do use Scizor in OU I use the bulky builds with Roost, SD, Bullet Punch, and Brick Break/Superpower. So basically, I either use it in its non-native metagame or I use it with only 2 attacks and both of these have skewed my opinion on it. Also, I almost never use CB Scizor - no real reason, I just like Bulky SD more. I guess I do see Scizor with more utility than most since I am a fan of Bulk over pure power, but if I do it's because I'm thinking of him in the wrong context lol.

 

[Niiro]

You really don't need elftovers on Metagross. Nothing will be outspeeding Metagross (unless theres like ScarfJolts around LOL) after it gets that Agility, so doing as much damage as possible in the time it has it necessary, and will probably save you more than hurt you. Put Life Orb on it and you'll be happy with the change.

I really like Metagross's bulkiness, and I think it is a waste to use LifeOrb on it.

Actually Scarf Gengar and Scarf Latias still outspeed Metagross after an agility.

I might suggest Lum Berry on Metagross actually. It allows you to set up on things like Blissey or to continue sweeping should you have to face a Rotom-A and the likes.

Dragonite isn't really gonna be doing much for you with that set. It's got that "SR+Scizor" problem that plagues Salamence and because it's bulky it's just plain going to lose to most walls. If you're set on using the thing use something balls out random like Specs Dragonite lol

CB Scizor > SD Scizor, if only because Uturn is an AMAZING move.

Edit: You're using standard Focus Punch EV's for Typh but since you're not using that attack there's no reason to bother with it. The only thing you're EQ hits harder than an HP ground would are Tyranitar and Blissey, neither of which will even come close to dying from repeated hits. HP Ground > EQ

I actually use Lum berry, but I didn't change it lol.
Dnite uses the Bulky DDnite set, with Firepunch over EQ, with dclaw ove outrage.
And I hate using CBzor because I am terrible at predicting xD
What about heatran? Will HP ground OHKO? I think it should lol. And what about tentecruel?

Nidoking may be a decent wallbreaker, but it isn't worth taking out Metagross for it. As Reaper said, toss on a Lum Berry to prevent status-abusers from setting up on you.

-Terywj

Mkay.

Entry hazards would really benefit this team. You should really consider working them in somehow.

Why Specs on Gardevoir instead of Scarf? It seems like she needs the speed.

I'm a fan of SD Scizor, but why not use U-Turn instead of Bug Bite? Do you really steal items much? Why not use the Bulky SD Scizor build with Roost and Brick Break instead of this build? Or even CB Scizor like Reaper said?

Hyper-aggressive teams don't always work out that well in Gen IV, especially if almost all of them need to boost first before getting things done. They all require superhuman levels of prediction to be good.

Specs is for screwing over walls, and the ability to kill stuff with STABd Psychic. I like using a bug type move without switching out, and Scizor is my glass cannon, because everyone else is rather bulky.

Good point.

Still, isn't there something better anyway? Aerial Ace? Pursuit?

How often do you use Bug Bite to get rid of berries as opposed to just using it for damage? and those times you use it for damage, are there any times where Pursuit, AA, Bullet Punch, Superpower, or Brick Break would be better? I'm guessing the answers are "rarely" and "no".

My Scizor set right now is Bugbite, BulletPunch, SD, and SuperPower. AA is crap, bullet punch is soo much better. Pursuit requires prediction, and I have none.

Bug Bite benefits from Technician so it's BP jumps to 135 making it Scizors strongest attack. There's nothing wrong with using it.

I thought it was base 90 (60x1.5=90)



Well, I made a new Smogon account, and today, I got it to a ranking of 1334. Meh. Username is LuvAOK if you want to play against me ^^

 

[Gates]

Specs is for screwing over walls, and the ability to kill stuff with STABd Psychic.

So in other words, you're using it to increase her damage? Doesn't she have enough power already though?

I thought it was base 90 (60x1.5=90)

Once you take both Technician and STAB into account it becomes 60*1.5*1.5=135.

Well, I made a new Smogon account, and today, I got it to a ranking of 1334. Meh. Username is LuvAOK if you want to play against me ^^

Really? Did you get that high in one day? How long were you on? I made an alt today too and only got it up to 1000 after 4 hours of off-and-on battling.

 

[Pink Reaper]

I hit 1400 in 2 hours before. You just have to not lose, and at such low ranks its really not that hard.

 

[Wave⁂]

So in other words, you're using it to increase her damage? Doesn't she have enough power already though?

No, of course not. You can only have enough power when you OHKO 252 / 252 Calm Blissey.

 

[Niiro]

I hit 1400 in 2 hours before. You just have to not lose, and at such low ranks its really not that hard.

Exactly lol.