New fair gimp kill.

[Notra]

grab realease to f- air seems to work on the edge. w/ many chars that dont have cheap b ups(exclude marth g&w meta etc.) u can chain grab to the edge , pummel and fair them to a gimp. it seems to work against chars like other falcos, icees(if u can hold a grab there that long), diddy, lucario, olimar(king of being gimped), dk, wolf,shiek(sometimes), fox, bowser, maybe peach, earthbounders, mario, samus, PT, cfalcon, ganon and link.

its a good alternate to dair since some of these chars can get back up cause of decent or good b recovers, but it seems the chars that can f*ck u over w/ this easily (meta gw marth and some light chars that dont die from this stuff).

test it alittle more and see if any of these dont work, but judgeing on their recovers id doubt they could survive this.

 

[Jon?]

Interesting..

Will the Fair knock them back far enough that if you edge hog they won't be able to recover?

 

[Notra]

yeah see thats the point. it puts chars that fall out of pummel grab release to the position where fair is most useful.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

The problem I see with this is that Falco never really had a decent Air Grab Release combo on anyone to begin with, that means that you have to aim really well against them to hit with Fair which can be DIed out of anyway. If you miss or they DI out of the Fair before the final hit you are stuck with being offstage and most likely have to recover with FireBird. Dair is still the most optimal option.

Someone like Wario, Lucas or Ness who have really bad air releases we could possibly apply the Fair too reliably.

 

[Notra]

The problem I see with this is that Falco never really had a decent Air Grab Release combo on anyone to begin with, that means that you have to aim really well against them to hit with Fair which can be DIed out of anyway. If you miss or they DI out of the Fair before the final hit you are stuck with being offstage and most likely have to recover with FireBird. Dair is still the most optimal option.

Someone like Wario, Lucas or Ness who have really bad air releases we could possibly apply the Fair too reliably.

yeah thats true, but im assuming u do aim right. As for DI out of it what direction is the DI? cause if its out or down then they r in a bad situation anyways (being farther from the stage)which is what we want.

and the reason why this is better for falco than ness lucas or wario is the chain grab can get u to the edge making it an easier move. maybe itd work better for D3.

 

[pure_awesome]

Many of the characters you listed (like Diddy) have aerials that can literally hit you out of the middle of Fair. Just thought you should know.

It's really a terrible move.

 

[Notra]

wow thats sucks, i was assuming that he'd get diddy in the middle of his up b. but i guess not

 

[Jon?]

I'm not a big fan of Fair myself. Only time I see myself doing Fair is when I misclick, lol.

 

[Gmoney_]

When I'm recovering from very high, I use it sometimes while fastfalling back to the stage before using an side b or up b, but it is important that you still have your second jump.

 

[Typ_Ex]

i usually use fair after a down tilt or up tilt.

 

[Juno McGrath]

not really new, but this does deserve its own thread so people will know of it.

 

[Denzi]

The problem I see with this is that Falco never really had a decent Air Grab Release combo on anyone to begin with, that means that you have to aim really well against them to hit with Fair which can be DIed out of anyway. If you miss or they DI out of the Fair before the final hit you are stuck with being offstage and most likely have to recover with FireBird. Dair is still the most optimal option.

Someone like Wario, Lucas or Ness who have really bad air releases we could possibly apply the Fair too reliably.

I thought he meant Pummel to force a ground release -> they drop belowstage -> you drop and Fair them. Either way, I don't really like the idea of doing it, it's to risky to use Fair like that.

 

[Notra]

I thought he meant Pummel to force a ground release -> they drop belowstage -> you drop and Fair them. Either way, I don't really like the idea of doing it, it's to risky to use Fair like that.

thats why u'd onyl do it to chars w/ bad recovers or less ungimpable ones.

 

[Denzi]

thats why u'd onyl do it to chars w/ bad recovers or less ungimpable ones.

So what I said is what you're talking about? Because if it is, even if they can't reach the ledge, this puts you low enough that they can still hit you, possibly making the entire kill all for naught.

 

[Notra]

yeah thats true. but dont u have a jump still hard to get gimped that bad. unless they r the chars u wouldnt gimp anyway. (marth, meta, G&W, etc.)

 

[Typ_Ex]

what is stopping anybody from jumping and air dodging or bairing? you would go right through them and gimped yourself.

 

[Notra]

If they were to air dodge it make them fall to far, and fair last longer than air dodge so unless they fast fall it they will get hit. and that obviously would result in a death.

 

[Typ_Ex]

If they were to air dodge it make them fall to far, and fair last longer than air dodge so unless they fast fall it they will get hit. and that obviously would result in a death.

jump followed by an air dodge. falco can't stay in place the whole time doing fair.

 

[Notra]

i nvr thought of it like that, ill go test that now.

 

[Notra]

jump followed by an air dodge. falco can't stay in place the whole time doing fair.

yeah ur right it doesnt work. i think the one ozz found works better though(0-death vs fox) ima test that one out more

 

[Notra]

request close this thread. it was a fail attempt

 

[J4pu]

Spoiler

Doesn't work on chars with a grab button tether, maybe not on chars with a tether in general.
Would be more risky for you than them if they didn't use their 2nd jump before you hit them unless you don't have to use firebird to recover.
Wouldn't kill anyone except maybe single IC, Olimar, and Ivysaur if they didn't use their 2nd jump.

Fair will drag them down until the last hit which hits up and away.

When I say it doesn't work I mean it isn't guaranteed, it's still possible

i should read recent posts before posting.