New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Wasn't Thraja removed as a trophy because her inclusion would have changed the rating of Smash 4 to "M" or was that a rumour? I remember grinding for trophies on the 3ds version just for that one trophy (since I'm a Fire Emblem fanboy) and I was bummed out that it was removed.

The rating would actually have been "T", but yeah, Tharja deconfirmed, people

 

[GunBuster]

Wasn't Thraja removed as a trophy because her inclusion would have changed the rating of Smash 4 to "M" or was that a rumour? I remember grinding for trophies on the 3ds version just for that one trophy (since I'm a Fire Emblem fanboy) and I was bummed out that it was removed.

i don't know and i don't really care. like i said, i doubt the voting is actually going to matter, so i made a vote that likely doesn't matter.

 

[Nefnoj]

i don't know and i don't really care. like i said, i doubt the voting is actually going to matter, so i made a vote that likely doesn't matter.

That's so pessimistic, I'm going to cry.

Worth my like though.

 

[GunBuster]

That's so pessimistic, I'm going to cry.

Worth my like though.

i prefer the term "realistic expectancies".
we know sakurai will just do what he pleases.

 

[Nefnoj]

i prefer the term "realistic expectancies".

What are "realistic expectancies"? I've never heard of this scary thing before...

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we know sakurai will just do what he pleases.

I actually partially disagree. It's obvious that he does "do what he pleases", as evident from Ridley being limited to a boss or a cameo in each game, but he does take a lot of input from fans, as evident from the Lucas who is not as cool as he was in Project M and Mewtwo DLC.

Though I did limit my votes to first-party non-assist trophy fighters, I highly doubt I'll be seeing my sweet Tingle as a fighter since he's already in the game as an assist trophy.

 

[flintconfirmed]

Can we vote more than once? I have quite a few different network connections.

 

[Nefnoj]

Can we vote more than once? I have quite a few different network connections.

Yis

I voted on my phone, 3DS, and Slappy Tappy, for Geno (I don't even know the guy lul), King K. Rool, and the Inkling.

 

[JCOnyx]

The S4 ballot? Yeah you can vote more than once, it just politely asks only 1 per person so it's like an honor system. Just steal some votes off of some friends/family members if you want to keep to the suggestion.

But guys, I know this is an exciting time with Nintendo actually opening a ballot and all to take our opinions into consideration, but its kinda derailing the thread (not that there is a lot going on in here atm anyways...). I'd love to be able to discuss this stuff with you guys here to get a more PM perspective for the ballot, but if it doesn't pertain to the PM clone engine character candidates in at least some way you should refrain from posting it.

vote Shantae... *squirtles away*

 

[Portalfan12345]

I really hope Isaac makes it in.

 

[bksbestbwoy]

It should come as no surprise who I voted for a few times over on the Smash Ballot.

Smash is so close to being "complete" for me. A katana user based around high speed killing blow techniques, infantry specialist or high power firearms user, a character that trolls via flipping and swapping the space around people and an excellent flail user and I'm set.

 

[Troykv]

Hi!

I don't understand about that is this thread now... Looks like the Poll is already closed.

Spoiler

I'm in general a Micaiah supporter xD

 

[JCOnyx]

Voting here has been put on hold for quite a while. The team I used to work with in this thread came to the conclusion we'd probably resume once the next character was revealed by the PMDT.

But other than that, I welcome discussion, but not a lot of people seem that talkative at the moment (major understatement). Perhaps we can chat about how they could differentiate Micaiah from her obvious clone choice Zelda?

 

[Troykv]

Voting here has been put on hold for quite a while. The team I used to work with in this thread came to the conclusion we'd probably resume once the next character was revealed by the PMDT.

But other than that, I welcome discussion, but not a lot of people seem that talkative at the moment (major understatement). Perhaps we can chat about how they could differentiate Micaiah from her obvious clone choice Zelda?

Oh... I see, thanks.

Yeah... Mmm... The Book is a thing, she can also can do something with a Staff (I don't think is impossible in a Mod)... I don't see Micaiah with the Reflect thing... and obviously she needs something in Sheik's Place xD.

I remember than Staffs can attack in RD in certains situations, Could be used this curiosity as a game mechanical? ... this can be mixed with effects from them like Torch (is a Fire-Light Lamp thing) and Sleep (self-explained). This could give her something more special.

The Warp it's OK, RD has Rewarp Staff.

What do you think?

 

[JCOnyx]

Nayru's would have to be completely re-imagined I agree. And of course DownB.

If I had to envision moves for those, I know one that would have to be included in some form, no matter what, would have to be Thani. Perhaps that could be the replacement for her nB? Have it behave sorta like Palutena's Explosive Fire and be a powerful distance attack.

DownB I'll have to get creative. I really wish it would be possible to incorporate Sacrifice somehow into her kit, but I don't think it's possible. There is an item in the game that heals partners and damages opponents and if they could somehow do that with one of her specials that would be what I'd want to go on DownB. Otherwise, maybe something similar to Yukiko's R Action from the P4U games. Have it be a super slow reversal that heals her a bit and has invulnerability at the startup, but if blocked is SUPER punishable. So her replacement for Nayru's basically, but when I say slow reversal, I mean the hitbox would come even later hopefully making it way easier to deal with.

That's all I've got for now.

 

[Troykv]

Nayru's would have to be completely re-imagined I agree. And of course DownB.

If I had to envision moves for those, I know one that would have to be included in some form, no matter what, would have to be Thani. Perhaps that could be the replacement for her nB? Have it behave sorta like Palutena's Explosive Fire and be a powerful distance attack.

DownB I'll have to get creative. I really wish it would be possible to incorporate Sacrifice somehow into her kit, but I don't think it's possible. There is an item in the game that heals partners and damages opponents and if they could somehow do that with one of her specials that would be what I'd want to go on DownB. Otherwise, maybe something similar to Yukiko's R Action from the P4U games. Have it be a super slow reversal that heals her a bit and has invulnerability at the startup, but if blocked is SUPER punishable. So her replacement for Nayru's basically, but when I say slow reversal, I mean the hitbox would come even later hopefully making it way easier to deal with.

That's all I've got for now.

Oh! A healing move... I think is good idea...

And yesh! We need Thani in some way in her moveset.

 

[CBO0tz]

So I found out that originally, Diddy Kong was going to have an input that allowed him to switch to Dixie Kong, apparently similar to how Zelda transforms into Sheik. I wonder if that would be possible to do in PM.. Probably not since they had limitations keeping them from doing it in Brawl.

But it would be interesting if Diddy had Dixie follow him around in the background like the Pokemon Trainer and they swapped places with a Down-B.. It's an appealing idea to me at least, because IMO Dixie seems like she'd be too much of a clone to be a different fighter, but Diddy having Dixie with him could give the player an entirely different moveset with varying damage differences, a possible disjointed hitbox in the form of her hair, and a better recovery off the side of the stage..

If it was possible, it'd be entirely awesome, and it wouldn't take up a character slot. Lol

 

[ThePlacidPlatypus]

So I found out that originally, Diddy Kong was going to have an input that allowed him to switch to Dixie Kong, apparently similar to how Zelda transforms into Sheik. I wonder if that would be possible to do in PM.. Probably not since they had limitations keeping them from doing it in Brawl.

But it would be interesting if Diddy had Dixie follow him around in the background like the Pokemon Trainer and they swapped places with a Down-B.. It's an appealing idea to me at least, because IMO Dixie seems like she'd be too much of a clone to be a different fighter, but Diddy having Dixie with him could give the player an entirely different moveset with varying damage differences, a possible disjointed hitbox in the form of her hair, and a better recovery off the side of the stage..

If it was possible, it'd be entirely awesome, and it wouldn't take up a character slot. Lol

Transforming characters still take up a slot.

 

[devilshead]

I thought the same, especially since they gave Toon Link most of Young Link's moves. They would have to semi-clonify Toon Link and/or Young Link MUCH further for him to be any different. And, of course, the whole Mask Transformation think wouldn't be possible without taking up three whole slots.

This guy's a good thinker.
I like this guy.
Did you hear my idea for Pichu earlier? I mentioned a charge-based suggestion akin to Lucas based on Pichu's self-damage, thought it might be a good change.

Why would there have to be a mask transformation at all? I don't remember Young Link having that in melee... Since they gave Toon Link Young Link's move set, why not just make it to where there is a alternate Toon Link look/skin, that makes Toon Link look exactly like Young Link, and MAYBE changes the name, and/or moveset to match the melee moveset completely. That way you can at least look like Young Link, and feel more like your actually playing as him, without making it to where there are 3 different links. You could also try taking a leaf out of brawl's book where it has zelda and sheik as one person with both names there, where you could choose which form to start with/use. Have the name be "Toon/Young Link", and the young link form has the original melee moveset.....

As for the suggestion that Pichu have different moves than Pikachu, differing further from pikachu, if you just use the melee moves and status things for pichu, and give it a unique smash move, that would probably be different enough for it to work. Pichu was a melee character after all, and really should be included in project M. While it is the pre-evolved form of pikachu, making it be weaker in some ways (like the self damage), it was much faster, smaller, and harder to hit, giving you a good, and different experience than pikachu. It could be tweaked just a bit, to make it more of a unique experience, but not too much.

 

[CBO0tz]

Transforming characters still take up a slot.

What if they were like an Ice Climber duo?

 

[Nefnoj]

What if they were like an Ice Climber duo?

I don't know... I don't think it fits Diddy Kong's playstyle. Where the Ice Climbers design seemed to have been based on the fact that there were two, Diddy Kong seems designed to be alone.

 

[AceGamer]

To my knowledge they can't give specific movements to costume slots, just different gfx so they can't give a young link costume different stats

What if they were like an Ice Climber duo?

That would alienate all the Diddy players suddenly having to deal with a follower, plus Diddy is great already so having a partner to mimic his moves would make him broken lol

And sorry but Pichu is pointless to bring back imo. He's just a pitifully weaker version of a Pikachu which is what he is in the Pokémon games so I'm not surprised. I swear they probably just made Pichu to be a Pikachu knock off and that just started a whole trend of Pika knock offs each generation. And why would he be a faster version of Pikachu? Pikachu is already fast, if you're gonna make a clone ones gotta be the fast one and the other is the slow one. They can't both be the fast one, and just because they were in Melee doesn't mean they have to be in PM. Mewtwo and Roy got in because their popularity is waaay up there, Pichu and Young Link are requested by niche crowd. The 5 character slots left are much better spent on characters that have never been in Smash and can bring something kinda new to the table

 

[DocStrange]

I was thinking something similar to a Diddy dixie team would be cool but with dixie and kiddy instead. That way they'd be totally different, plus I don't really think either one stands out on their own.

 

[Troykv]

Nayru's would have to be completely re-imagined I agree. And of course DownB.

If I had to envision moves for those, I know one that would have to be included in some form, no matter what, would have to be Thani. Perhaps that could be the replacement for her nB? Have it behave sorta like Palutena's Explosive Fire and be a powerful distance attack.

DownB I'll have to get creative. I really wish it would be possible to incorporate Sacrifice somehow into her kit, but I don't think it's possible. There is an item in the game that heals partners and damages opponents and if they could somehow do that with one of her specials that would be what I'd want to go on DownB. Otherwise, maybe something similar to Yukiko's R Action from the P4U games. Have it be a super slow reversal that heals her a bit and has invulnerability at the startup, but if blocked is SUPER punishable. So her replacement for Nayru's basically, but when I say slow reversal, I mean the hitbox would come even later hopefully making it way easier to deal with.

That's all I've got for now.

Also! I forget to comment about the Nayru's Love Part...

How you think that they could reimagined that move in Micaiah's moveset?

 

[AceGamer]

Well Micaiah uses different staves and light tomes in FE Radiant Dawn so they could probably repurpose one of those for a neutral B

 

[Draco_The]

To my knowledge they can't give specific movements to costume slots, just different gfx so they can't give a young link costume different stats

Just like you can change gfx, you can make costume-specific moves. The only limit there is filesize.

 

[MEnKIRBZ]

I understand that voting is closed, but I gotta say skull kid being added would be ***** amazing

 

[GunBuster]

why don't we get Isaac


and then Felix as a clone of Isaac








guess who finished Golden Sun and started The Lost Age last week

this guy

 

[AceGamer]

I'm all for Issac but no way are we gonna get a new character and have a clone of that new character at the same time lol. Besides if they introduced both of them like that Issac would take all the spot light and Felix will forever be in his shadow XD

 

[MLGF]

And the little problem of Felix not being in Brawl at all...

 

[GunBuster]

I'm all for Issac but no way are we gonna get a new character and have a clone of that new character at the same time lol. Besides if they introduced both of them like that Issac would take all the spot light and Felix will forever be in his shadow XD

so, basically Marth and Roy in Melee, right?




it's alright guys seriously i was just joking about Felix

 

[AceGamer]

so, basically Marth and Roy in Melee, right?



it's alright guys seriously i was just joking about Felix

Lol yup, although Roy has kinda got his own spotlight now since he's a semi clone in project M

 

[Nefnoj]

I know what character would REALLY save Project M...

 

[Draco_The]

I've been playing around with Giga Bowser and this came to my mind: what if Ridley wasn't made a lot smaller in order to join PM? Maybe playing by his own rules, like no flinching until 100%+ or something like that.

I know this would take a ridiculous amount of work to get right and balanced but it would be interesting to say the least. The gigants from TvC (especially the PTX) were cool.

 

[CBO0tz]

I don't think Black Shadow should have all of Ganon's old moves.. That wouldn't make for a very interesting character, since people would just choose him as a sort of 'Melee Ganondorf' or something. What if his moves were similar to Captain Falcon's in that Black Shadow uses moves based on a different style of real life martial arts?

I was thinking since Captain Falcon's are inspired by Muay Thai fighting moves, Black Shadow's should look more like Lethwei style.

 

[Denoxkun]

So any love to Nintendo's very first detective protagonist in the game? Ayumi Tachibana :3
Go here to know more about her and why she can be a great cantidate for Smash Bros:
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...umi-tachibana-is-discussed-by-sakurai.350254/

 

[Nefnoj]

So any love to Nintendo's very first detective protagonist in the game? Ayumi Tachibana :3
Go here to know more about her and why she can be a great cantidate for Smash Bros:
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...umi-tachibana-is-discussed-by-sakurai.350254/

This post seems a little spammy.

 

[GunBuster]

>before Professor Layton and Pheonix Wright, her game, Famicom detective club was nintendo's main detective IP


this passage annoys me more than it should.

 

[Denoxkun]

This post seems a little spammy.

Not really I only posted it once here right now to spread awareness of this character.

 

[| Kailex |]

Been a while
Was the voting list updated?
Yes or no, can someone link me to it

 

[Draco_The]

Been a while
Was the voting list updated?
Yes or no, can someone link me to it

Alright, excuse the double post, but here are the last results for the year of 2014.



Results 12/3/14
553 unique voters
Character Total (+1, 0.5, -1, % Approval)

Top 5
Isaac: 264.5 (252, 49, 12, 96.17%)
Ridley: 192.5 (205, 53, 39, 86.87%)
Ganondorf / Black Shadow: 141.5 (168, 43, 48, 81.47%)
Lyn: 125.5 (136, 55, 38, 83.41%)
King K. Rool: 124.5 (111, 65, 19, 90.26%)

S-Tier (75+ total)
Dark Samus: 108 (108, 56, 28, 85.42%)
Skull Kid: 104 (83, 52, 5, 96.43%)
Sami: 101 (101, 34, 17, 88.82%)
Saki: 79 (67, 42, 9, 92.37%)
Ray: 78 (60, 38, 1, 98.99%)

A-Tier (30+ total)
Dixie: 63.5 (73, 53, 36, 77.78%)
Sukapon: 59 (63, 46, 27, 80.15%)
Masked Man: 58 (48, 38, 9, 90.53%)
Paper Mario: 56 (54, 52, 24, 81.54%)
Waluigi: 38 (63, 48, 49, 69.38%)
Andy: 36.5 (27, 39, 10, 86.84%)
Ninten: 32 (27, 28, 9, 85.94%)
Tom Nook: 31.5 (33, 33, 18, 78.57%)

B-Tier (10+ total)
Takamaru: 29 (17, 26, 1, 97.73%)
Goroh: 27.5 (20, 37, 11, 83.82%)
Lip: 26 (19, 18, 2, 94.87%)
Tetra: 21.5 (25, 27, 17, 75.36%)
Pichu: 17.5 (83 ,37, 84, 58.82%)
Ashley: 14.5 (8, 13, 0, 100.00%)
Micaiah: 12.5 (11, 9, 3, 86.96%)
Mach Rider: 11.5 (3, 17, 0, 100.00%)

C-Tier (0+ total)
Red: 7.5 (23, 9, 20, 61.54%)
Balloon Fighter: 7 (3, 12, 2, 88.24%)
Prince Sabure: 7 (4, 8, 1, 92.31%)
Slippy: 6.5 (7, 11, 6, 75.00%)
Hector: 6 (20, 26, 27, 63.01%)
Midna and Wolf Link: 6 (5, 4, 1, 90.00%)
Rawk Hawk: 5.5 (1, 13, 2, 87.50%)
Leon: 4.5 (3, 9, 3, 80.00%)
Primid: 3.5 (10, 9, 11, 63.33%)
Krystal: 3 (31, 44, 50, 60.00%)

D-Tier (0 and lower)
Young Link: -0.5 (8, 7, 12, 55.56%)
Toad: -2 (26, 28, 42, 56.25%)
Plusle and Minun: -3.5 (8, 7, 15, 50.00%)
Toon Zelda: -9.5 (8, 9, 22, 43.59%)

F-Tier (Bottom 5)
Gray Fox: -13 (6, 4, 21, 32.26%)
Liquid Snake: -13.5 (2, 5, 18, 28.00%)
Tails: -33 (25, 32, 74, 43.51%)
Knuckles: -40.5 (28, 21, 79, 38.28%)
Shadow: -61 (25, 16, 94, 30.37%)

That's the last update.