Waael
The PK Thunder Ω Specialist
Why don't any of the Lucas mains play any Wi-Fi? He has it easier than Ness, and I also need some practice with my Lucas with other Lucas mains. :3
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Ness & Lucas Boards WiFi Thread - Making our chars over 9000x worse!
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Dajayman
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It's because nobody plays Lucas. :3
Waael
The PK Thunder Ω Specialist
BUT I do. D:
I just gave up on Lucas 
After playing MOTHER3 I secondaried him for a while (and almost considered maining him D: ) and then I just kept picking up characters and he's slowly fallen down my list...
and I'll be on tonight if anyone wants to play.
After playing MOTHER3 I secondaried him for a while (and almost considered maining him D: ) and then I just kept picking up characters and he's slowly fallen down my list...
and I'll be on tonight if anyone wants to play.
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
Ness da bess!
I love how it rhymes! XD
I love how it rhymes! XD
Waael
The PK Thunder Ω Specialist
No it's because your afraid?
Ness is way more horrible on Wi-Fi but I don't care, I love playing him and using him.
rPSIvysaur
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Lucas' Moveset doesn't work online unless you spam N-air. Ness' b-air and d-air become a lot more powerful online.
Dajayman
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But Lucas' moveset doesn't work offline either...
rPSIvysaur
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Oh, but it does work offline, so long as you play smart. >:U
Dajayman
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Then it can work online if you're smart with lag. >:U
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
Lucas can play online... If I can get dtilt madness off online (normally I need offline to have my unbelievable reactions), then any Lucas main can play normally while on wifi. Also psimag.
rPSIvysaur
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That's the kind of thing; I'd never use d-tilt offline, unless I have the tip/sweespot.
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
dtilt is too pro!!!That's the kind of thing; I'd never use d-tilt offline, unless I have the tip/sweespot.
I've gotta show this stuff in a video... like seriously. I need to play someone who isn't expecting it and dominate them with my dtilt madness... too bad I don't have anyone to play offline anymore... Dx
I need to go to IL tourneys, but I can't get to most of them. I think I'd do much better than the last tourney i went to (November?)
Dajayman
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Buy a car dude. You've had a job since forever.
Someone play me on wifi. I'm going to go crazy if I play another With Anyone game at Temple with items on.
Someone play me on wifi. I'm going to go crazy if I play another With Anyone game at Temple with items on.
Dajayman
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Play me! :3
Dajayman
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GGs. Ugh, I was so off in those matches. It seems either I was being read like a book, my attacks were misspaced, my attacks were outprioritzed, or I just suicided. :/
Yeah, I like to john. :3
But on the bright side I think our connection got better.
Edit: Yeah, our connection got better. It went up from red to orange, though I personally thought it felt like a yellow. :3
Yeah, I like to john. :3
But on the bright side I think our connection got better.
Edit: Yeah, our connection got better. It went up from red to orange, though I personally thought it felt like a yellow. :3
Dajayman
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You should consider ordering a playasia controller, I believe they're only around $40 - $50. They're really high quality.
I used to like Jiggs, but I sort of grew out of liking her playstyle.
I used to like Jiggs, but I sort of grew out of liking her playstyle.
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
The funny thing about that is that my grandpa gave me his old car, because he rarely ever uses it anymore... The thing is that I haven't gotten my license yet. I feel like getting the 50 hrs legitimately. WOOOOAH! WE'RE HALFWAY THERE!!!
_clinton
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Jiggs playstyle is a pain in the *** to adjust to compared to Ness' air style when playing them. I mean others like Wario are super easy to adjust to.
However, I have trouble adjusting to with play is Marth and MK in the air, so whatever.
Still, I think I can explain my issue with Jiggs. For starters she has pretty bad vertical movement options and overall attacks in the air somehow for compared to their use, which compared to Ness who is overall doing pretty well on both sides IMO that is an issue.
-I mean Uair I don't care for at all
-Dair has it's moments but overall I can say I don't like it overall
-Fair is pure gold as long as you learn to use it right (because it is a killer with the strong point being almost as strong as Ness' Bair)
-Bair is pure gold no matter what
-Nair like the other types of it, I don't care for (Mario, Luigi, Fox, Link, and so on for types). Don't get me wrong, it has its uses (as do those other moves of course you know) but it just doesn't seem as open to use as some other Nair like Ness'/Wario's is.
As far as tiers for her moves go though:
Pound
Fair
Bair
Nair
Dair
Uair
However, I have trouble adjusting to with play is Marth and MK in the air, so whatever.
Still, I think I can explain my issue with Jiggs. For starters she has pretty bad vertical movement options and overall attacks in the air somehow for compared to their use, which compared to Ness who is overall doing pretty well on both sides IMO that is an issue.
-I mean Uair I don't care for at all
-Dair has it's moments but overall I can say I don't like it overall
-Fair is pure gold as long as you learn to use it right (because it is a killer with the strong point being almost as strong as Ness' Bair)
-Bair is pure gold no matter what
-Nair like the other types of it, I don't care for (Mario, Luigi, Fox, Link, and so on for types). Don't get me wrong, it has its uses (as do those other moves of course you know) but it just doesn't seem as open to use as some other Nair like Ness'/Wario's is.
As far as tiers for her moves go though:
Pound
Fair
Bair
Nair
Dair
Uair
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
where's utilt, fsmash, and Dashattack?
_clinton
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I was only mainly talking about air attacks and placed pound in there just because a tier list without pound is a bad tier list.
Oh and overall I don't see how Ness' ground game isn't better than Jiggs as well if we have to talk about that.
Oh and overall I don't see how Ness' ground game isn't better than Jiggs as well if we have to talk about that.
Dajayman
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I can play. :3
I'll add you and host a game. Join it. :3
I'll add you and host a game. Join it. :3
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
I would, but I can't.
Dajayman
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GGs J. We need to play again sometime. :3
Dajayman
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I play a lot of LT characters. Probably the only HT characters I use are MK, Marth, Olimar, and G&W.
I play pretty much everyone in LT.
I play pretty much everyone in LT.
Dajayman
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I don't know who I want go serious with. Olimar, DK, ROB, G&W,
are my best and they are who I consider using in tournaments.
I think I've lost my Ness ability. It seems as though I have little more to learn with Ness (maybe some better PKT control), yet even my top Ness play doesn't quite cut it.
MK
I think I've lost my Ness ability. It seems as though I have little more to learn with Ness (maybe some better PKT control), yet even my top Ness play doesn't quite cut it.
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
Hey, dajay... You say you have no ability to improve your ness? I say BAAAAH!!! You always can improve how you play. If you think you have reached your peak at one point, take a break for a while. While on that break, take a minor amount of time to restructure or re-evaluate all of ness' stuff that you can do, what you did do right, and what you didn't do that would give your ness more well rounded playing options. What you want is to continually expand all of what you do. Never stay limited to one way of playing for even a short amount of time. I have changed the way in which I play my ness so many times that it isn't even funny. Some may have been subtle, some may have been major, but I always expand.
To show an example, lets start with something easy. I remember vividly of nearly everything in the past couple of years, both life related and smash related. At the beginning, I was blind as ****. I thought that reading a "guide" about how to play a game would outline completely "WHAT DO I DO?!?!?" in my games. I followed that for a while. I spammed fair. I rarely used nair. I did shoddy DAS stuff. I tried for PKT2 combos way too often. PKFire was spammed. Yoyos were more appreciated than the bat. I only really used a couple of moves: Fair, yoyo, PKT, PKfire, nair, bair, dair, jabs and grabs. I almost never thought of using PSImag, because I thought it wouldn't make any difference in my games. It seemed like I would need to go out of my way in order to make it work. All the other ways of playing (grounded game, mindgames, well placed aggressive/defensive options rather than the full-out offense) just never crossed my mind.
Then I saw some combo videos. I was like, "OH THAT'S EASY!! I do that MILLIONS of times.
" little did I know that those things were all played out very strategically during a match. I saw new combinations of attacks through those vids that impressed me. Sure, I was new to the game, but it was all effective. I immediately worked in the pillar spiking and otherwise reading to spike. In fact, I looked so much into spiking people that I didn't care about much else. I made dair my new favorite move. I still didn't branch out to other attacks (cept utilt). I shifted my focus, but I was making progress. After a couple of tourneys, my perfectionist mind couldn't handle losing the ways I did. I can't make matches so close. How do people keep beating me? I asked myself. That's where I started looking into detail on every attack. I read EB360's guide nearly completely. I got to learn every single technique that he painstakingly fought to find. His effort and knowledge was astounding. Sure, I KNEW of the techniques.... Sure I learned how all the attacks could be effective.... But I wanted to know WHY they would be effective. What makes them effective? How can I implement this so that I make the most of it? What can I do to make these things easy to perform?
Now even after that, I was still crap. I only practiced over and over and over again until I got the techniques down. I used each one several times in training mode just to see how it was to use. I was like, "OH THIS IS EASY! I can do this!" Same as before... More playing came around, and I still wasn't satisfied. I practiced these techniques forever, but I reverted to the same thing over and over again. At this time, I took a big break. I had school, but not a lot. just enough to make me focused. After a month or so, I was bored again and picked up brawl again. this time, I tried to play a bit online and gradually force myself to do the uncomfortable moves that I wanted worked into my game. I played to make every move my weapon against my enemy. I first got all their spacing down. I got fair to hit perfectly, I got bair to always sweetspot, I got to make all the aerials work seamlessly with one another with my newfound prowess with DAS. I knew the yoyos even more, using dsmash a ton with it's range and oddity. usmash was my crazy move. I used the whole reverse hyphen usmash as much as possible. I trained myself to use it with tapjump off in a near flawless manner. I got my pkt control down to the wire. I forced myself to take the inverted pkt2 recovery even though I wasn't comfortable with it. I pkt2'd enough in recovery practice to make it so that I knew exactly (through muscle memory) every possible angle I could hit, how much I need to turn and at what time. I avoided pkfire at the time. It was just the same old thing for me. PKflash was always seen as a bit of a bad move. I did use it for edgeguarding, as suggested and ATTEMPTED using it for overhead opponents, but I abandoned the thing. I still focused only on dthrow and bthrow. the other attacks were almost never used still, but I knew the ins and outs.
a couple of matches online and with friends made me realize that I needed to perfect PSImag. My friend (one of them) plays lucario, and another friend played lucas. Both of them pressured me so much with their absorbable projectiles. I even noticed the many other characters that had such moves. I can't be wasting my percent on such idiocy. I should make them regret their mistaken energy moves usages. I will limit them as much as possible and empower myself in any way I can to get the edge over my opponent.
OKAY, I wasn't thinking this at all... It's just a way of expressing it in a post. In fact, I don't really give a crap. I was just trying to assert mental dominance, as chess had continued to teach me through my years. Chess makes you completely decipher all of what your opponent can do and limit anything they can do to gain an advantage over you. You have to play as smart as possible to keep the upperhand, or you may as well be leaving your back rank open for a surprise checkmate from a rook or queen.
Applying that to smash was easy. Outsmart my opponent. Sure. Why not? IT helps everything. So I changed again my playstyle. I worked on making the best use of ness' moves to find which ways I can make my opponent fall for whatever I want. PSImag seemed the best place to start. It is/was one of the least used moves of any ness main. Heck, you could go as far as saying it had no use. I wanted to make it useful. Nobody will expect it. So I saw the PSImaglag cancel and applied it slowly but surely. I found other techniques of absorption apart from it, seeing as I NEEDED to get any edge I could. Recovering that lost pawn is key in an endgame situation. So is recovering that bit of percent in smash.
Over time, I continued to find/exploit lesser-known usages for moves on top of the ones that were already common. I'm looking into the PKjump now, FCOL!!! The way I use ness' moves has changed so much since I started playing this game that I can barely tell what I started with. I made necessary improvements to my game in order to make this character work for me. I say it payed off.
I must say that I have typed WAAAAAAY too much and now I can't play wifi... My bad. I was actually going to see if anyone was still on. Have fun, nessers. Get some wifi matches in. Trust me, it helps. And also try and take something from that mini story. I know it belongs more in NGD.... IN fact, Imma copy it to there. xD
TL;DR version
I have made many changes to my gameplay with ness in order to try and become the best. I may not have done that (not entirely sure since I've been on a tourney absence for nearly a year now), but who I am outside of smash, an intelligent chess player willing to find any flaw in my opponents, has greatly increased many other aspects of my life. One thing influences another. And I hope you guys will attempt to change your playstyle to what fits you best rather than what other ness mains fully tell you to do. (STILL TAKE OUR ADVICE!!! It is essential in finding your own flaws in matches and working on them yourself... but don't feel bound to "spamming fair for defense" or "doing whatever a specific way")
EDIT: WHY DO I ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE PLAYING?!?!?!
To show an example, lets start with something easy. I remember vividly of nearly everything in the past couple of years, both life related and smash related. At the beginning, I was blind as ****. I thought that reading a "guide" about how to play a game would outline completely "WHAT DO I DO?!?!?" in my games. I followed that for a while. I spammed fair. I rarely used nair. I did shoddy DAS stuff. I tried for PKT2 combos way too often. PKFire was spammed. Yoyos were more appreciated than the bat. I only really used a couple of moves: Fair, yoyo, PKT, PKfire, nair, bair, dair, jabs and grabs. I almost never thought of using PSImag, because I thought it wouldn't make any difference in my games. It seemed like I would need to go out of my way in order to make it work. All the other ways of playing (grounded game, mindgames, well placed aggressive/defensive options rather than the full-out offense) just never crossed my mind.
Then I saw some combo videos. I was like, "OH THAT'S EASY!! I do that MILLIONS of times.
" little did I know that those things were all played out very strategically during a match. I saw new combinations of attacks through those vids that impressed me. Sure, I was new to the game, but it was all effective. I immediately worked in the pillar spiking and otherwise reading to spike. In fact, I looked so much into spiking people that I didn't care about much else. I made dair my new favorite move. I still didn't branch out to other attacks (cept utilt). I shifted my focus, but I was making progress. After a couple of tourneys, my perfectionist mind couldn't handle losing the ways I did. I can't make matches so close. How do people keep beating me? I asked myself. That's where I started looking into detail on every attack. I read EB360's guide nearly completely. I got to learn every single technique that he painstakingly fought to find. His effort and knowledge was astounding. Sure, I KNEW of the techniques.... Sure I learned how all the attacks could be effective.... But I wanted to know WHY they would be effective. What makes them effective? How can I implement this so that I make the most of it? What can I do to make these things easy to perform?Now even after that, I was still crap. I only practiced over and over and over again until I got the techniques down. I used each one several times in training mode just to see how it was to use. I was like, "OH THIS IS EASY! I can do this!" Same as before... More playing came around, and I still wasn't satisfied. I practiced these techniques forever, but I reverted to the same thing over and over again. At this time, I took a big break. I had school, but not a lot. just enough to make me focused. After a month or so, I was bored again and picked up brawl again. this time, I tried to play a bit online and gradually force myself to do the uncomfortable moves that I wanted worked into my game. I played to make every move my weapon against my enemy. I first got all their spacing down. I got fair to hit perfectly, I got bair to always sweetspot, I got to make all the aerials work seamlessly with one another with my newfound prowess with DAS. I knew the yoyos even more, using dsmash a ton with it's range and oddity. usmash was my crazy move. I used the whole reverse hyphen usmash as much as possible. I trained myself to use it with tapjump off in a near flawless manner. I got my pkt control down to the wire. I forced myself to take the inverted pkt2 recovery even though I wasn't comfortable with it. I pkt2'd enough in recovery practice to make it so that I knew exactly (through muscle memory) every possible angle I could hit, how much I need to turn and at what time. I avoided pkfire at the time. It was just the same old thing for me. PKflash was always seen as a bit of a bad move. I did use it for edgeguarding, as suggested and ATTEMPTED using it for overhead opponents, but I abandoned the thing. I still focused only on dthrow and bthrow. the other attacks were almost never used still, but I knew the ins and outs.
a couple of matches online and with friends made me realize that I needed to perfect PSImag. My friend (one of them) plays lucario, and another friend played lucas. Both of them pressured me so much with their absorbable projectiles. I even noticed the many other characters that had such moves. I can't be wasting my percent on such idiocy. I should make them regret their mistaken energy moves usages. I will limit them as much as possible and empower myself in any way I can to get the edge over my opponent.
OKAY, I wasn't thinking this at all... It's just a way of expressing it in a post. In fact, I don't really give a crap. I was just trying to assert mental dominance, as chess had continued to teach me through my years. Chess makes you completely decipher all of what your opponent can do and limit anything they can do to gain an advantage over you. You have to play as smart as possible to keep the upperhand, or you may as well be leaving your back rank open for a surprise checkmate from a rook or queen.
Applying that to smash was easy. Outsmart my opponent. Sure. Why not? IT helps everything. So I changed again my playstyle. I worked on making the best use of ness' moves to find which ways I can make my opponent fall for whatever I want. PSImag seemed the best place to start. It is/was one of the least used moves of any ness main. Heck, you could go as far as saying it had no use. I wanted to make it useful. Nobody will expect it. So I saw the PSImaglag cancel and applied it slowly but surely. I found other techniques of absorption apart from it, seeing as I NEEDED to get any edge I could. Recovering that lost pawn is key in an endgame situation. So is recovering that bit of percent in smash.
Over time, I continued to find/exploit lesser-known usages for moves on top of the ones that were already common. I'm looking into the PKjump now, FCOL!!! The way I use ness' moves has changed so much since I started playing this game that I can barely tell what I started with. I made necessary improvements to my game in order to make this character work for me. I say it payed off.
I must say that I have typed WAAAAAAY too much and now I can't play wifi...
My bad. I was actually going to see if anyone was still on. Have fun, nessers. Get some wifi matches in. Trust me, it helps. And also try and take something from that mini story. I know it belongs more in NGD.... IN fact, Imma copy it to there. xDTL;DR version
I have made many changes to my gameplay with ness in order to try and become the best. I may not have done that (not entirely sure since I've been on a tourney absence for nearly a year now), but who I am outside of smash, an intelligent chess player willing to find any flaw in my opponents, has greatly increased many other aspects of my life. One thing influences another. And I hope you guys will attempt to change your playstyle to what fits you best rather than what other ness mains fully tell you to do. (STILL TAKE OUR ADVICE!!! It is essential in finding your own flaws in matches and working on them yourself... but don't feel bound to "spamming fair for defense" or "doing whatever a specific way")
EDIT: WHY DO I ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE PLAYING?!?!?!
omg that's a wall of post i wasn't expecting to see. o_O
I only play Ness for fun <3. I can't use him for real unless I really worked at it. It's just not Melee/64 Ness for me. Also Dajay i liked your Olimar, i think if you worked on him he could be a real threat. ;O
I only play Ness for fun <3. I can't use him for real unless I really worked at it. It's just not Melee/64 Ness for me. Also Dajay i liked your Olimar, i think if you worked on him he could be a real threat. ;O