Negi's Link (Critique Me)

[Ryos4]

First off. Thank you Oddler for recording these.

Yeah feels like my Link has slowed down. Compared to some of the other characters i play. I figured i could use some critique from the people here at the link boards. But, first of all i dont think ill ever want to bother doing the DAC. Too much effort. lol. That also makes bomb sliding impossible since jump cancel kinda sucks for link, imo. I got newer matches.

-Jayde(Peach)1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x6VfazvpZM&feature=channel_page
-Jayde(Peach)2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5pBASKxtvU&feature=channel_page
-Jayde(Wolf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULhnRlWlRZg&feature=channel_page
-Kon(Lucas) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MFeSTYRXsU&feature=channel_page

And since im here ill just post the rest of my older matches. Since some of them are pretty interesting. But they dates go back pretty far.

-DLA(Ganon) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOxz114Lhkw
-Cow(Meta) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JitapPI5XI
-Ryoma(Wolf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dABf8URLmM
-Tman(Fox) http://youtube.com/watch?v=tLcAnt57FUY
-Twilight Wolf(Link) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lKY0pY2o78
-Kown(Pit) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izHIJU8GsOc
-Ryoma(Link) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W0CsMMqzY0
-Pevol(Toon Link) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB6_k0Z9hvQ
-Srtm(Diddy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEE3x2BEbJo
-Srtm(DK) http://youtube.com/watch?v=V95kh_Ez038
-Eazy(Link) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAbbWkZxcX8
-Psych(Toon Link) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb5ecRSbUVw

So yeah critiques if u dont mind.

 

[Kief]

not bad. i'd stop throwing so much though. with link if you miss a grab then you get smashed. period. only do it when you know you'll get them or at least have a better chance of getting them, like if you're shielding while they're hitting you (forgot the name of that lol) or if they like to shield alot and are getting predictable.

also the DAC is best used when right after a throw imo. you should learn that. (if you have already then sorry but i didn't see you use any in the 4 new matches i watched).

 

[Roager]

Its called shieldgrabbing, KIEF

 

[Kief]

oh yeah lol. i knew i'd feel stupid when i saw the name again.

 

[Ryos4]

idk why but i just happen to land alot of grabs with link. If they start to dodge it, i usually stop using grabs as much. But if it works. Why not. lol. But i found that Jayde was really weak against grabs with link. So i used them. When i first started playing her i got her like 3 times in a row with his dthrow chain grab.

Speaking of grabs, are there any characters that u can do a grabs release okay with. Ive done it to a diddy player once for a while. Grab and pummel then when they release, jab once and grab again. I think i might have got him 4 times in a row.

And i dont really like DAC. I tend to screw it up alot if i do try it and just end up grabbing anyway. lol.

Thx for the tips. Anything else? Lets keep them coming.

 

[Legan]

Stop trying to grab lol, Links grab is slow and you would be completely destroyed by someone that knows how to punish.

It looks like you've got the basics down but now you gotta work on doing things that make more sense, try planning slightly ahead and making setups with your projectiles instead of just tossing them up. Work on your ground game as well, try more jabs cancels and more boomerang uses. I dont think I saw any fairs in the peach matches either. Other than that your link is looking pretty good.

 

[Oddler]

And i dont really like DAC. I tend to screw it up alot if i do try it and just end up grabbing anyway. lol.

To stop the grabbing thing from happening change Z or R from GRAB into "Attack". Instead of failing your DAC and doing a Throw you'll fail your DAC and do a Dash Attack...much less punishable and will sometimes hit your opponent

My controller setting I changed Z to Attack and put Grab on the X button.

 

[nugget61]

ne1 care to explain what DAC is and how to do it

 

[Oddler]

ne1 care to explain what DAC is and how to do it

Glad you posted it in here than making a new thread with that first post there buddy

I could tell you in text but you really gotta see it in video. It's beautiful.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=V0u3sUOShcI

It's basically a sliding Up-Smash. ^ ^ ^ Watch ^ ^^

 

[nugget61]

kk thnanx filler

 

[Ryos4]

i couldnt put grab on X thats my jump. But also how does that work out for dropping bombs. Would i have to use a different button to drop bombs? Even though i usually throw them down rather then dropping them. I tend to run into my own blasts more if i drop them.

As for fair. I can hardly find a use for it. I can never properly time links fair, and i dont find too many uses for it. Im not all that aerial with link. One thing i wanna get into more is nair to jab. But idk i never seem to do it while im fighting. Constantly using bombs really restricts what i can do, unless i wanna do some zac and some bomb smashing. I can do it and all. But it really slows down my game.

I also dont really use my spin attack. Anyone have advice on the use of it?

 

[Legan]

I also dont really use my spin attack. Anyone have advice on the use of it?

Dont Use it :D.

Only way I really use the spin attack is to counterattack someone attacking from the ledge.
It works pretty well out of shield just like in melee.

 

[Kief]

dont use the spin attack unless you know it will connect. failing will result in the same thing as if you missed a grab.

 

[Oddler]

I only really use Spin Attack for ledge countering and if I whiff an F-Smash or something because someone rolled behind me and I've got that burning feeling they're definitely going to try to attack me while I'm in recoil I bust it out there. I also do it sometimes out of jab cancels but there's better options than that.

I play more of an aerial game with Link or at least I'm in the air a whole bunch. If you do the first hit of Fair as your approach at low percents you can lead it up with a jab cancel or something.

 

[FEaR.7]

i couldnt put grab on X thats my jump. But also how does that work out for dropping bombs. Would i have to use a different button to drop bombs? Even though i usually throw them down rather then dropping them. I tend to run into my own blasts more if i drop them.

Like you, I jump with X so I put grab in Y and make Z attack. Sampe principle, if you fail a DAC you'll just make a dash attack instead of a laggy grab. Dropping bombs is the same button as grab, in my case, Y.

 

[DSP]

Another little thing that occurred to me while watcing your vids, aside from what has been already posted:
If you take out a bomb, do it while shorthopping, it greatly helps with your spacing since it keeps you mobile. Link is too much of a sitting duck while taking his bombs out on the ground.
Aside from that, I would've liked to see some more well-spaced Ftilts (maybe pivot boosted), but I don't know if that's effective against Peach, for example.

 

[Ryos4]

idk for her peach. She really love to float, which would constantly mess up any spacing i could plan. If i tried stuff like pivot boosting i would end up missing her when she floats backwards and getting a face full fair or something.

I did pivot boosting against the lucas. I like doing the retreating zair to piviot boost ftilt. And if they are at a low enough % i like to go into a dash attack>utilt>bair. or something like that.