Need help: Marth vs Shield rollers + dash attack spammers

[AdmiralComrade]

how do u play marth against a shield roller who keeps spamming shield roll non stop.. really pisses me off... i tend to F-air DI backwards and he rolls into me and spam another DI to hit him.. any other ways that are more effective?

Thanks

 

[Rebel581]

1. Predict where he will roll.
2. Attack there, dancing blade is good if you can't time another attack properly.
3. ???
4. PROFIT!

 

[AdmiralComrade]

hmm.. yeah.. ill try that if i did predict id Fsmash but then if i predict wrong and he rolls the other way.. leaves me open lol ill try dancing blade then :D thx any more ways? xD lol hmm.. does Nair works how it spins and gets them on the 2nd hit?

 

[phi1ny3]

I would think timing fsmash or neut b would be good for predicting, or even better, dancing blade. Another idea is grab, since that negates shields, then punch/throw.

 

[Doodx]

shieldbreaker if you know where he will roll and he will never roll again if you brake his shield just once.
if not then run and grab him
if not then roll with him lol

 

[Ulevo]

1) Tech Chase him and follow up with Dancing Blade

2) Predict the roll and space a FTilt, DTilt, FSmash or DSmash, or Shield Breaker. If he panics and shields the Shield Breaker, tip another one for a free KO.

3) Tech Chase a grab and FThrow to Smash at low %, FThrow to Fair at high %.

4) Kill via Tech Chase to Dolphin Slash.

 

[AdmiralComrade]

grr still havent problems with this... i tired doing the above by predicting his rolls which worked for awhile then he started air dodging and hitting me or spot dodging soo yeah i got pretty messed up.. .

oh and how do u counter sum1 who just spams dash attacks? pretty lame i kno but i just keep getting dashed by another marth player non stop its kinda annoying (yeah i just counter.. but then get punished if he randomly does a foxtrot back and forth for an open hit..

 

[VietGeek]

For dash attacks, shielding is your best option, especially in a Marth ditto. Simply put, since Marth naturally lunges toward his opponents on most of his attacks, if he is not careful, he usually gets with shieldgrabbing range (especially true for characters such as Dedede, ROB, and others when good grab range). Since dash attack has the most lag sans Up+B, just shield it and grab him. Punish accordingly afterward.

If he likes rolling behind you, do a Dtilt to force him to do so, and then as the lag from the Dtilt ends, quickly move back and do side-B. If he rolls away, simply pressure him to the end of the stage with side-B, F-tilts, or F-air. If he has projectiles, just simply walk and shield toward him, and if he rolls behind you, punish with Side-B.

Spot-dodging is usually overcome by Side-B since sidestepping causes them to stay stationary while being w/o a shield for a second or so. Dancing Blade retaliates well here. If he sidesteps from the third hit of side-B, do the ending strike down for the sword rain.

Depending on the height of his airdodge, you can simply follow to where he will land, or do Uair, or Fair. Punish accordingly.

 

[AdmiralComrade]

thx never really thought of those, ill try that next time

 

[Dark Sonic]

Don't bother shieldgrabbing unless you want a positioning advantage (or they're Ness). Just drop your shield and side B if you want to rack damage, or up B out of your shield if you want to get them off you.

Or drop your shield and smash.

He'll stop dash attacking...forever.

 

[SummerObsession]

If he rolls behind you just do a dancing blade or downsmash, or even Up-B if your confident enough. You could also jump away.

 

[phi1ny3]

Shield to side b, fsmash, dsmash, shield to utilt, and even counter/dtilt are pretty good for halting dashes.

 

[Machiavelli.CF]

sheil rollers>d-smash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT ALWAYSE WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dash...>fair or fsmash...wait for them to come! then WHACK!

 

[SummerObsession]

If they do a dash attack, you could also short hop backwords and do F-air.

 

[SmashJuni]

I think the Dancing Blade combo is usefull against it