My take on Ike. (He's a beast)

[HolyForce]

With crouch canceling (known tactic right?) and a safe neutral air if you fast fall, this man is a beast. Any questions?

I mean:

Punch Kick, Punch Kick Swing is amazing. (AA, AAA)

Not even going to mention the aerials and full hop down air mixup on airdodgers.

Did you know his full hop down air will hit decently tall targets (you can give it forward momentum and has KO potential spiking on stage) and you can jump RIGHT before he hits the ground for an immediate 2nd aerial mixup?

This video begins the true way to unlock Ike's beastly potential:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQXSaazJ95U

 

[Black Waltz]

i thought there wasnt CC in brawl?

 

[HolyForce]

Meh, maybe not so much. But Ike's neutral A string is 'delayable', and by pressing crouch you can restart it. I love doing the punch kick, punch kick, punch kick, super super super fast and it walks forward. I'm a wall of pain!

 

[Roller]

Nair is a beast for Ike, that's the only time i lose to him, is when someone does a lot of shorthopped and/or fastfalling Nairs.

 

[HolyForce]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQXSaazJ95U owns all imho. Original post updated.

 

[Falconv1.0]

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So, why are we discussing a known tactic again? That vid isn't gonna propel him to high tier.

 

[HolyForce]

I'm just talking about how Ike's a beast. Don't hate.

 

[tk~]

double dair AC, dair to double jump bair combo at low %s (roughly 30%), dair to double jump uair combo at mid %s, or dair to aether.... dair is underrated and situational, but when it lands, it's beastly.

 

[HolyForce]

tk is wise.

 

[Falconv1.0]

D Air is good if used at the right time. F air and n air are the most whored out moves.

 

[Empy]

With crouch canceling (known tactic right?) and a safe neutral air if you fast fall, this man is a beast. Any questions?

Yeah, what's the use of this thread?

i thought there wasnt CC in brawl?

It is gone. This guy is NOT talking about crouch cancelling.

@Holyforce, crouch cancelling was a Melee technique, in which you wouldn't fly as far as you normally would, by crouching before you got hit by an attack. So a Fsmash that would normally kill you, would only send you a small distance.

What you are talking about is the jab cancel. It's useful for Ike, but use it with care because it can be punished and pretty heavily at that.

double dair AC, dair to double jump bair combo at low %s (roughly 30%), dair to double jump uair combo at mid %s, or dair to aether.... dair is underrated and situational, but when it lands, it's beastly.

None of these actually combo. Not even the dair to aether. People can either DI out of it or just airdodge.

 

[tk~]

uhh the ones i listed with combo in it, combos even with proper DI. The %s are low enough that even with proper DI, you can still hit with it. The moves also stick out long enough to cut through airdodges. The only way Dair to double jump bair won't combo is if your opp has a aerial that hits FASTER and has more REACH than your bair and for the dair to uair if they have an aerial of more priority than Ike's uair. In addition to that, your opp has to time the attacks extremely well because it's hard to tell if you're going to follow-up on the combo or not because the opp recovers after you're recovered meaning if they do try to whiff an attack to stop you but you don't follow up, they're going to eat something else because they just whiffed an attack and missed, and then you can hit them with something like an aether to their face. You say it doesn't combo, when you probably haven't even tried it out because if you tried it out you wouldn't be saying that it doesn't combo, or that it can be DI or airdodged.

Don't try to act like you know everything about Ike, shooting anything down from other members that's you don't regard highly. It's that kind of crappy elitist attitude that turned the Ike boards to the garbage it is now. Why the hell do you think the Ike board isn't being flooded about NEW and interesting information and tricks like the other boards. But instead being flooded by rehashed information in the form of new treads and useless spam that does nothing to help improve Ike's gameplay.

 

[Tenki]

To test for true combo:
Does it count as consecutive hits in training mode against lvl 3 computers? ("true combo" check, hitstun wise)
Does it still work against lvl 7-9 computers? (airdodgeable check)

if so, it's a good combo.

There are some combos that can be airdodged with crazy reflexes, and the lvl 7-9 computers check that. But generally, combos that work on lv 3-5 should work in normal gameplay.

 

[3xSwords]

Don't try to act like you know everything about Ike, shooting anything down from other members that's you don't regard highly. It's that kind of crappy elitist attitude that turned the Ike boards to the garbage it is now. Why the hell do you think the Ike board isn't being flooded about NEW and interesting information and tricks like the other boards. But instead being flooded by rehashed information in the form of new treads and useless spam that does nothing to help improve Ike's gameplay.

You know he didn't flame you, so overreaction much? Ike forums need to chill.

 

[Falconv1.0]

TK, you are hopeless.

Also, this thread is pathetic. Kinda like Ike's inability to match up against most characters.