My local tournament host likes to do FD only because "It's easy and fair"

[HardcoreSteamy]

The entire first tournament they did was FD only. A couple of the more serious players have complained, but the people who are there for fun don't really care.

I can't really find where I read it, but IIRC Final Destination is problematic as a starting stage because it gives some characters a significant advantage; the one that comes to mind first is Little Mac. I tried talking to the host and just interrupts me and says "Not everyone's a pro like you."

I don't own a Wii-U yet as I have other priorities, so practicing there (literally a minute walk from my apartment) and on my 3DS are my only options. Most of the people there are good, but they generally play on random Omega. A couple of them say "Okay let's play Battlefield", then right before I hit battlefield, they switch to Omega mode just to mess with me.

The second tournament they're doing is on Feb 1st, the stage selection is just FD and Battlefield. It's a slight improvement, but still fairly disappointed in stage choice. Any advice for moving forward at this point?

 

[ATH_]

Have you attempted to show high level competitive matches? Smashville is definitely the best competitive stage in the game, so...
At least they allowed Battlefield though.

 

[digiholic]

Host your own tournaments. The TO can run it however he wants, and if he's got a monopoly, it'll be the only way people get to play in tournaments. Get with some of the other players upset at this and form your own tournaments.

 

[Orngeblu]

"Not everyone's a pro like you."

What a scrubby comment.

What does being pro have anything to do with stage selection, and "fairness"? Pro's would still beat the s*** regardless of Omega.

I can understand it being easy stage selection, but fair? The stage advantages aren't that strong unless in high level play where an inch of an advantage can actually be a big one, and knowing how to use those advantages. I personally don't find it that big a deal, but I can understand the lack of stage selection could be boring for some people.

 

[HardcoreSteamy]

Host your own tournaments. The TO can run it however he wants, and if he's got a monopoly, it'll be the only way people get to play in tournaments. Get with some of the other players upset at this and form your own tournaments.

That's not really a solution. The TO can run it however he wants, but he's a successful TCG/Board game store. If I started my own tournaments in spite of his abyssmal rules, I doubt I'd be very welcome there for my other hobbies.

I'm trying to figure out a way to bring up that myself and a couple others are bored of Final Destination.

Have you attempted to show high level competitive matches? Smashville is definitely the best competitive stage in the game, so...
At least they allowed Battlefield though.

Not really sure how I go about doing that. I've told him at competitive tournaments there are like 5-6 stages, Battlefield, Smashville, Town and City, Final Destination, Duck Hunt and probably one or 2 I'm missing. He usually replies with "Not everyone's a pro like you." before I finish what I'm saying.
Currently trying to win the other players over with Battlefield and Smashville. They usually have a Facebook event page for the big tournaments with the rules and whatnot. So I'm thinking about posting there nicely, about stage picks when the event page starts.

 

[gilligan156]

What digiholic said is right. If you don't like the way that the events are being run, endeavor to start your own tournament or organization. Look in your area for any smash groups that get together other than the one you're going to now, and see what you can get going. You'll probably want to get your own WiiU as soon as you're financially able to, then at least you can get involved with Smash Ladder. Good luck!

 

[ATH_]

That's not really a solution. The TO can run it however he wants, but he's a successful TCG/Board game store. If I started my own tournaments in spite of his abyssmal rules, I doubt I'd be very welcome there for my other hobbies.

I'm trying to figure out a way to bring up that myself and a couple others are bored of Final Destination.




Not really sure how I go about doing that. I've told him at competitive tournaments there are like 5-6 stages, Battlefield, Smashville, Town and City, Final Destination, Duck Hunt and probably one or 2 I'm missing. He usually replies with "Not everyone's a pro like you." before I finish what I'm saying.
Currently trying to win the other players over with Battlefield and Smashville. They usually have a Facebook event page for the big tournaments with the rules and whatnot. So I'm thinking about posting there nicely, about stage picks when the event page starts.

The list should always, ALWAYS, at least be:
FD
Battlefield
Smashville

And that's final. There is NO reason to reject these 3 stages without substitute. Characters are NOT 100% balanced on just FD like Sakurai thinks.

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

That's not really a solution. The TO can run it however he wants, but he's a successful TCG/Board game store. If I started my own tournaments in spite of his abyssmal rules, I doubt I'd be very welcome there for my other hobbies.

That's true, it may not be a solution. But if the guy's gonna not sell you a TCG card or Magic or something like that, then he's just dumb. Regardless of what tournaments you may happen to run, it's smart business to sell to customers.

Also, it's a good idea to start your own tournament, you'll just need a Wii U. I agree with the previous posters who've said that.

 

[T0MMY]

Just out of curiosity, which characters are dominating at these FD-only tournaments?
Because I really don't see Little Macs dominating For Glory where it's a random Omega. Wasn't there some news from Sakurai who said Little Mac was actually one of the worst performing characters?

 

[HardcoreSteamy]

Just out of curiosity, which characters are dominating at these FD-only tournaments?
Because I really don't see Little Macs dominating For Glory where it's a random Omega. Wasn't there some news from Sakurai who said Little Mac was actually one of the worst performing characters?

This is only the second tournament coming up. There hasn't really been anyone dominating. A couple of people are sick of FD, and I'm trying to figure out a way to convince the host that FD isn't the only way. Apparently with enough bugging Battlefield was added. Keep in mind, he's not playing in the tournament, nor was he even organizing it. He basically just set the rules and got one of his employees to follow them, despite objections.

 

[popsofctown]

If the tournament is being run by someone who doesn't have a passion for the game, there's probably going to be minor issues like this, and it's probably best to just let them go until you run your own tourney or go to another tourney.

 

[Octagon]

Even though I love Omega Stages cause they are great for Duck Hunt, I think that the Smash 4 stages the community has chosen for competitive play, like Smashville, Lylat Cruise, Battlefield, etc. are great stages. Playing on only Omega stages is just stupid.

 

[Raijinken]

FD favors some characters. Every flat&plat stage favors certain characters. That entire system of character favoritism is why the counterpick/striking system we have is kinda bad. At least limiting it to FD only helps that a bit (and gives Mac a needed buff).

But they should at least change it to Gaur Omega only, since it's prettier, less distracting, and has better music.

 

[oldkingcroz]

Not to give you false hope, but the first local tournament in Albuquerque only had 3 stages to play from (SmashVille, BattleField, and FD). It was mainly to keep thing simple. But the second tournament had those three and also Duck Hunt, Town and City, Halberd, Kongo Jungle, Delphino, Castle Siege, and Lylat. There's nothing overtly unbalanced about those stages, and people enjoyed playing on them (as a ROB main, Lylat's funky ledges and Town and City's high platforms were a treat). 10 stages is a pretty decent number.
But the main reason why those stages were added was because of people writing on the Facebook page and showing general interest at the events. Yes, it was more of a hassle having to select from multiple stages, but I think people has more fun and [people] strategized more about picking the stage. Make yourself and people who share your ideas heard.

 

[T0MMY]

This is only the second tournament coming up. There hasn't really been anyone dominating. A couple of people are sick of FD, and I'm trying to figure out a way to convince the host that FD isn't the only way. Apparently with enough bugging Battlefield was added. Keep in mind, he's not playing in the tournament, nor was he even organizing it. He basically just set the rules and got one of his employees to follow them, despite objections.

I'm usually in the complete opposite side of things, I offer more stages than just FD but pretty much everyone just goes a random Omega.
Whatever the attendees want, that's fine by me. And if your TO is not doing a good job they are probably going to lose interest quickly and it'll be up to someone else to offer something else to the market and let the attendees decide where they're going.
If you are the only one who wants something than FD you're probably going to be out of luck, but if there's enough people who want some other stage choice I'm sure all those involved will be able to come to a reasonable agreement.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Just beat these scrubs down and take their money.

 

[Darklink401]

The list should always, ALWAYS, at least be:
FD
Battlefield
Smashville

And that's final. There is NO reason to reject these 3 stages without substitute. Characters are NOT 100% balanced on just FD like Sakurai thinks.

Like how poor DK apparently suffers without platforms.

Why's Smashville considered the best competitive stage btw? I've always wondered that.

 

[webbedspace]

Why's Smashville considered the best competitive stage btw? I've always wondered that.

It actually has a few structural details that are lacking in other stages:
1) it has one upper platform - not three or zero - which only covers at most two-fifths of the stage, enough to benefit some platform-happy characters, but not to a great degree.
2) The platform is roomy enough that ground-based approach and retreat is still possible when both characters are on it.
3) The platform moves back and forth, meaning no part of the stage is permanently protected from vertical attacks, and characters riding the platform don't have a single consistent path to reach characters on the ground (and vice-versa).
4) The platform periodically intrudes close - but not too close - to the blast lines, allowing characters to often recover more easily, and other characters riding the platform to get surprisingly - but not shockingly - early KOs.

These points may also explain why Town & City is a mite less popular than Smashville. The narrower platforms aren't as accommodating as the sole platform, the Town platforms move vertically rather than horizontally, and the City platforms cover slightly more of the ground, more often.

Actually, mulling over point 4, what I want the Stage Builder boffins to do is make a "diagonal Smashville" where the SV platform moves diagonally from upper-left to lower-right, so that at its leftmost point it's also fairly high in the air, and boosts vertical KOs as much as it does horizontal ones.