Move Refresh and Side B

[Olimarman]

When you throw a pikmin, does move refresh occur when the pikmin latches and or every time a single pikmin hits your opponent while its latched? Also if anyone knows, approximately how many moves that hit after using an attack once does it take for the move to fully refresh?

 

[BlackWaltzX]

I can't test stuff and no one else tested this for Olimar as far as I know.

The second question..
9-10 hits to fully refresh. I can private message you the link to the exact thing for it, as it's on another site.

 

[Kashakunaki]

The queue for stale moves is exactly 9. For example, if you do an up smash it is now the most recent move you used and is number 1 in the queue. After nine more moves (assuming none of them were up smashes) the move will be out of the queue and fully refreshed in damage and in knockback.

Also, hitting shields and not hitting at all does not count as a move toward the queue. You actually have to do damage.

Also, I would assume every individual Pikmin latched on would count as an attack.

One Side B. One Pikmin. One Latch. One attack.

Makes sense to me.

 

[BlackWaltzX]

To build on what Kasha and I said already. When you latch onto an enemy with a pikmin, the move they use to knock them off goes into the move list.

 

[DarkStraw]

people have told me pimin throw dosent degrade http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=176689

and i think robs gyro dosent degrade either. This makes sense because pikmin latch is treated differently, they stay on less time the higher % someone is instead i think.

 

[BlackWaltzX]

Darkstraw, if that was aimed at me, look at what you linked. Now look at the first person to reply.
Yeah..

 

[Olimarman]

The queue for stale moves is exactly 9. For example, if you do an up smash it is now the most recent move you used and is number 1 in the queue. After nine more moves (assuming none of them were up smashes) the move will be out of the queue and fully refreshed in damage and in knockback.

Also, hitting shields and not hitting at all does not count as a move toward the queue. You actually have to do damage.

Also, I would assume every individual Pikmin latched on would count as an attack.

One Side B. One Pikmin. One Latch. One attack.

Makes sense to me.

What about if the pikmin latches but does not deal any damage?

 

[Kashakunaki]

Good question. As in they latch but are hit off before they can do damage? Not sure. I think we should test it.

 

[Olimarman]

Good question. As in they latch but are hit off before they can do damage? Not sure. I think we should test it.

Yeah, didn't make that clear. What about if I use a move twice, then how long before it is fully refreshed? Is it still 9?

 

[DarkStraw]

i linked it because some of the information in that post i linked to had not been made clear in this post.

 

[Olimarman]

It doesn't degrade but that doesnt mean it doesnt refresh.

 

[Olimarman]

Just did a test. Since pikmins hitboxes are weird I'd like someone else to confirm this, but latching, even without dealing damage does refresh other moves.