MOTHER Character Discussion Thread

[Big-Cat]

it's not about the psi-abilities ... it's about the persons behind there abilities, there is no one, who could just "replace" Lucas, yeah kumatora, if you look at pk-freeze etc. , but not lucas himself and that's the importent part of it (imo), whoever plans to replace lucas and/or ness in ssb4, will suffer !!!, as far as i'm able to find them
if there is anybody working at nintendo and thinking "hmm, i don't like lucas, let's replace him with (insert name)" he's thinking of killing lucas, after everything what happened to lucas, how can anyone even think of replacing lucas ... please, don't kill him nintendo, we can't decide this but ... just don't harm lucas ;_;




and no, that's not over-dramatic, that's the way i'm thinking about the earthbound/mother-series

Yet just about every single attack Lucas does in Brawl could've been applied to Kumatora and no one would really notice. Take away the Lucas skin, and the moveset suits Kumatora a lot more. None of his specials or Final Smash were ever his while the closest thing that can be said to belong to him is his FSmash.

 

[bobadz]

Give Kumatora Lucas move set. Give Lucas a new move set.

 

[Tikao]

well, the stick of Lucas' fsmash is the stick you got with flint at the first chapter ... NOTHING belongs to lucas himself, but lucas is just awesome ;_;
or give him another moveset, but don't kick him out of this game ;____;

 

[Big-Cat]

That, I'm fine with. Give Kumatora Lucas' current moves along with some changes and give Lucas his own ACCURATE move set.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Has anybody seen this DeviantArtist's concept of Porky? It could seriously work.

 

[Deleted member]

Not sure if ManBearPig can see this, but I do like his artworks. Porky's is one of my favorites, given that it goes with the style I envision him in; using a spider-backpack mech because he's a fat, lazy ******* that can't be assed to do anything on his own .

I have a bit of a hard time telling what's supposed to be his recovery move, though. And (no offense to him), I'd argue that Porky should go full spider mech for an FS instead of sending in the 'bots.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Not sure if ManBearPig can see this, but I do like his artworks. Porky's is one of my favorites, given that it goes with the style I envision him in; using a spider-backpack mech because he's a fat, lazy ******* that can't be ***** to do anything on his own .

I have a bit of a hard time telling what's supposed to be his recovery move, though. And (no offense to him), I'd argue that Porky should go full spider mech for an FS instead of sending in the 'bots.

It's not ManBearPig/Neanderthal's artwork. He commissioned the Ganondorf v. Shulk piece and is a fan of the artist.
I've had mixed feelings about a lot of the movesets the artist has put up, but I do love his style. Porky as this really reminds me of Gizmo from DC Comics' Teen Titans cartoon.

His recovery move is essentially just a tether... and I agree about the final smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Ah it wasn't ManBearPig?
It sounded like he was crediting himself for K. Rool's artwork.

 

[Pazzo.]

Has anybody seen this DeviantArtist's concept of Porky? It could seriously work.

The idea of Porky seems to be a better idea of a 3rd rep that Kumatora and Masked Man. I mean, have you met anyone who LIKES Porky? Perfect villain.

 

[Deleted member]

I like Porky. Though I like him as a villain. He's one of the more deeper villains in the Nintendo universe.

 

[bobadz]

Indeed. I like the fact that Porky does horrible things, but he's really just a scared kid abused by his parents.

 

[Sarcastic White Mage]

How come no one mentioned Starman to rep as a villain for the mother characters? I mean Porky would be best since he is the main villain, but its an interesting thought. I also honestly feel that Kumatora should replace Luca, because he's basically is Kumatora with a stick :/. Another character I'd like to see is Poo get in somehow. He could do pk thunder, freeze, magnet and starstorm (which covers most of his specials and final smash) not to mention these moves he can actually do . His A move set could go around with some basic punch and kicks while using his sword for smash attacks. His Nspecial could be something like kirby's where he uses his opponents move against them (since he does have the ability to mirror his opponent). The only problem I can think of is how pk freeze would work as a Fspecial move seeing how it works in brawl but maybe making it something more like a projectile would be a nice touch.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I thought the main villain was Giygas. He's what started the series, and Porky is just a result of him

 

[Sarcastic White Mage]

I thought the main villain was Giygas. He's what started the series, and Porky is just a result of him

that's true, but I really doubt Giygas could be a playable character in the game at all which is why I said Porky instead (though being a boss could be a nice idea with a little creativity). plus honestly from how the game went you might as well say Porky was or became the antagonist.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The best alternative rep would be New Age Retro Hippie.

 

[Deleted member]

Giygas would be too overpowered even as a boss.
Best reference you could get Is if Mewtwo returned and had a coloring meant to reference Giygas. Maybe even a reference on his Final Smash quote. "You cannot grasp the true form of my attack!"

 

[LaniusShrike]

Giygas should just be an assist trophy. He'll keep attacking until you've taunted him enough times.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Giygas as an AT: everyone dies.

 

[Sarcastic White Mage]

Giygas would be too overpowered even as a boss.
Best reference you could get Is if Mewtwo returned and had a coloring meant to reference Giygas. Maybe even a reference on his Final Smash quote. "You cannot grasp the true form of my attack!"

If that would to ever become a reality I would die from the awesomeness @_@.

 

[Pazzo.]

Giygas would be too overpowered even as a boss.
Best reference you could get Is if Mewtwo returned and had a coloring meant to reference Giygas. Maybe even a reference on his Final Smash quote. "You cannot grasp the true form of my attack!"

I heard that Giygas was the inspiration behind Mewtoo. Is that true?

 

[lordvaati]

it's proto form Giygue from Mother 1 was.

in other not quite off topic news, the Creator has confirmed the Mother series is done.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/30/mother-4-would-be-impossible-says-itoi/

 

[Deleted member]

I heard that Giygas was the inspiration behind Mewtoo. Is that true?

It has not been confirmed nor denied.
It is heavily likely however, given that Mother and Pokémon were made by the same people.

 

[Pazzo.]

Shigesato Itoi created Pokemon?

Mother and Pokémon were made by the same people.

 

[Pazzo.]

it's proto form Giygue from Mother 1 was.

in other not quite off topic news, the Creator has confirmed the Mother series is done.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/30/mother-4-would-be-impossible-says-itoi/

I still have hope for the Mother 4 fangame...

 

[Frostwraith]

It has not been confirmed nor denied.
It is heavily likely however, given that Mother and Pokémon were made partially by the same people.

Fixed for truth.

One of EarthBound's devs, APE, inc., later became Creatures, Inc., one of the owners of the Pokémon IP alongside Nintendo and series creator company Game Freak.

Shigesato Itoi created Pokemon?

Not at all. Pokémon was created by Satoshi Tajiri, founder of Game Freak inc.

 

[Pazzo.]

Fixed for truth.

One of EarthBound's devs, APE, inc., later became Creatures, Inc., one of the owners of the Pokémon IP alongside Nintendo and series creator company Game Freak.


Not at all. Pokémon was created by Satoshi Tajiri, founder of Game Freak inc.

Ah that makes sense. I remember reading that Mr. Tajiri was the creator.

 

[Tikao]

to this mewtwo is based on giygas theory

Mew is said to be the ancestor of all pokemon (according to first gen.)
but there are some extraterrestrial pokemon like clefairy, mew is still the ancestor
also mew is able to fly through the vacuum of space (you can see this in the original Pokemon, and in pokemon snap, where you got an entire level for mew in space)
so according to this, mew could be an alien (well it's very likely)
so this would make mewtwo an alien like giygas (or at least a copy of an alien)

if you look back at the first generation of pokemon, there is the pokemon mansion on cinnabar island which has to do with mew and mewtwo
many people think mewtwo is just a clone of mew, but according to the scientific logs you can find there, mewtwo is a clone of the embryo of a pregnant mew ... hmm does this embryo-stuff sounds familiar?
in the pokemon movie, mewtwo is a clone of a fossil of a mew, but the movie came out after the game ... and also it's a movie for kids, they had to change this because you can see how they clone mewtwo at the beginning)

when mewtwo escaped and destroyed the lab where he got created, giovanny appears he can help him to control his powers, but the point here is he says they can be partners (so Giovanny and mewtwo)

later, after Giovanny tested the powers of mewtwo and helped him to control them, mewtwo asks what the meaning of his life is, and giovanny says mewtwo has been created to fight for him and he says they'll never be partner (like he said at the beginnig), giovanny will be the master
so mewtwo got betrayed by giovanny. then he escapes again. he got betrayed by humans

in mother 1, george studied the psi-abilities of the aliens without permission, so he betrayed the aliens and has stolen there secret powers. Like giovanny betrayed mewtwo to get his powers, george betrayed the aliens to get their powers
both (mewtwo and the aliens) hate the mankind

both powers are psycho-kinetic based, so you could say they're somehow the same (yeah, no pk-fire or pk-thunder etc. in pokemon, but you know what i mean)

mewtwo is the strongest pokemon known to mankind (1.gen)
and in mother these psi-powers are the strongest they've ever seen

yeah, all of this is just a theory
but many developers, who created the mother/earthbound series worked on pokemon later, and there are just so many similarities
so for me mewtwo is based on Giygas
... and just look at Giygas (mother1) and then at mewtwo
they just look like the same

 

[Big-Cat]

Wait, so Pokemon are technically aliens?

 

[Frostwraith]

 

[Diddy Kong]

Pokemon could easily be aliens. And yeah Mewtwo must've been created with Giygas in mind. But did Giygas from Mother 1 had some sort of official art besides that image? Cause it's not quite clear. It's head could easily look lizard-like instead of cat-like as Mewtwo. However, it could easily be a cat to now that I see.

 

[Tikao]

according to first gen. all pokemon could technically be aliens

But did Giygas from Mother 1 had some sort of official art besides that image? Cause it's not quite clear. It's head could easily look lizard-like instead of cat-like as Mewtwo. However, it could easily be a cat to now that I see.

as far as i know, this picture (someone posted this here) is the only official one for Giygas in mother 1
but mewtwo just "looks like" Giygas not "looks the same"

 

[Deleted member]

So, how about that Porky, hmm?
If there were a 3rd character from Mother (which I'm willing to bet won't happen), Porky would be the best choice.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So, how about that Porky, hmm?

Personally I was more of a fan for Daffy Duck.

 

[Big-Cat]

Pokemon could easily be aliens. And yeah Mewtwo must've been created with Giygas in mind. But did Giygas from Mother 1 had some sort of official art besides that image? Cause it's not quite clear. It's head could easily look lizard-like instead of cat-like as Mewtwo. However, it could easily be a cat to now that I see.

Official art for the MOTHER series isn't very common, likely due to the fact that clay models were used as the official art. That being said, no official art of Giygas in either form was ever released. Likewise, art for MOTHER 3 was never released which has resulted in some interesting interpretations for some characters. I see Duster and Kumatora with a lot of different takes, not including the ones with an art shift.

I still think that if Porky was ever made, playable he'd have to be an awful like Tron Bonne in terms of size. The big issue that comes into play is that his size needs to line up with Ness and Lucas. His Brawl boss battle made him much larger than he really was. Otherwise, I'm still for C. Viper Kumatora. Duster would make a really cool assist trophy with his wall staples and bombs.

 

[Deleted member]

His size needs to match up with Ness and Lucas.
That doesn't account for any machinery he uses.

And while Crusade managed to turn the Mother 3/Brawl mech workable, that's a little too much.

 

[Big-Cat]

That's what I said. His very size needs to match up with them - probably one of the distinct times where size does matter (compared to Ridley and Bowser). I feel though, to do him justice, he needs to be in either in his Earthbound or MOTHER 3 mecha. The drawing above does not suit's Porky's personality. Porky is far too much of a coward to fight head on without some kind of shield in the way, be it his mechas or Ness as seen early on in Earthbound. Height wise, the body of the Earthbound mecha needs to be at least 2.5 as tall as Ness and Lucas. The MOTHER 3 one looks to be fairly shorter, but not by much due to Porky being in a reclined position.

 

[Deleted member]

There could always be the option of making a new mecha for Smash that works more in line with feasibility that also combines features of both Earthbound and Mother 3's mechs.

 

[FalKoopa]

The drawing above does not suit's Porky's personality. Porky is far too much of a coward to fight head on without some kind of shield in the way.

Does that really matter? (Particularly the bolded part.)

 

[Big-Cat]

After the work done on the Starfox characters, that would make me skeptical.

Does that really matter? (Particularly the bolded part.)

It depends on what you're looking for. Do you want to be playing as the character or do you want to play as someone that is only Porky in name only?

 

[Deleted member]

Does that really matter? (Particularly the italicized part.)

Quotes italicize everything.