Most agitating kill

[Foxus]

We've all got one, or two.

What is the most agitating kill to you? That type of dirty kill that makes your teeth cringe, even cost you the match.

Mine would have to be what I call the "spiderweb" technique. Foe waits by edge, grabs you, tosses you off edge, and repeat. It irritating because it doesn't really require any skill.

Just grab, throw and repeat.

 

[ChaikaBestGirl]

a Link or Samus that will never stop rolling and get you somewhere around like 100% and then just get close and spam smashes

 

[FrankTheStud]

Someone please stop these braindead Falcons who spam utilt at ledge anytime you're offstage.
#endrant

 

[Ze Diglett]

Getting smashed out of the arena by a Smash attack. It just makes me feel so bad, like "Wow, how could you let yourself get hit by a telegraphed move like that?" At least I can die with some dignity if I get gimped (I usually don't anyway, since I main R.O.B.) The exception, of course, is moves with dissonant hitboxes, because let's face it, that just isn't a legit kill.
Also Ganoncide. Just... ugh...

 

[Steelballray]

We've all got one, or two.

What is the most agitating kill to you? That type of dirty kill that makes your teeth cringe, even cost you the match.

Mine would have to be what I call the "spiderweb" technique. Foe waits by edge, grabs you, tosses you off edge, and repeat. It irritating because it doesn't really require any skill.

Just grab, throw and repeat.

I saw your post on the spamming thread and I'm sorry but you have to stop it with the scrub mentality. Spiderweb my ass. Whats so difficult about grabbing the ledge? Literally just go below the ledge and up b and grab it instead of trying to jump straight into the stage. I am assuming you're a new player but that doesn't mean I'll cut you any slack. Learn the game and stop making excuses and calling very average tactics cheap. You'll never improve if you keep doing this.

 

[Xandercosm]

I saw your post on the spamming thread and I'm sorry but you have to stop it with the scrub mentality. Spiderweb my ***. Whats so difficult about grabbing the ledge? Literally just go below the ledge and up b and grab it instead of trying to jump straight into the stage. I am assuming you're a new player but that doesn't mean I'll cut you any slack. Learn the game and stop making excuses and calling very average tactics cheap. You'll never improve if you keep doing this.

Endless grabbing/throwing IS a pretty cheap tactic.

Anyway, most annoying kill to me is when you finally succumb to a super spammy character that rolls and shoots the entire match. It just makes you lose your will to live...

 

[Steelballray]

Endless grabbing/throwing IS a pretty cheap tactic.

If an opponet is too stupid to jab or do whatever to avoid getting grabbed I will keep grabbing and throwing them till they're 999%

I don't believe in the existence of cheap tactics but I can understand where some people come from. I've met my fair share of spammy Samus players who keep rolling away the entire match and it is annoying especially when the connection sucks and I can't perfect shield. But still, saying that grabbing no matter for how many times is cheap is pushing the line into the scrub territory. If I play Luigi and my opponet is clueless on how to avoid getting grabbed its only logical that I'll keep grabbing them till they die. Nothing is cheap about that. I am not going to use several moves when a single one is optimal to get the job done.

 

[Foxus]

I saw your post on the spamming thread and I'm sorry but you have to stop it with the scrub mentality. Spiderweb my ***. Whats so difficult about grabbing the ledge? Literally just go below the ledge and up b and grab it instead of trying to jump straight into the stage. I am assuming you're a new player but that doesn't mean I'll cut you any slack. Learn the game and stop making excuses and calling very average tactics cheap. You'll never improve if you keep doing this.

Spamming thread? I wasn't spamming, at least not intentionally.

I spent 6 years trying to complete Brawl (which I never did, well I completed Subspace Emissary so I guess that accounts to something). I'm definitely not new to the Smash game, but I'm definitely not a "Master" either. A good friend of mine showed me some Fox tech that I've used. At times, its more or less effective but nevertheless, Smash is like any other hobby, you never stop improving (or until you put your 10,000 hours in). I'm improving with my Fox like you probably are whatever fighter you use.

I'm fighting in FF (mainly because I don't have the confidence to go in FG as much as I'd like to) so its a regular stage. I understand what message you're trying to convey but I don't appreciate being called a scrub, thanks.

 

[Xandercosm]

If an opponet is too stupid to jab or do whatever to avoid getting grabbed I will keep grabbing and throwing them till they're 999%

I don't believe in the existence of cheap tactics but I can understand where some people come from. I've met my fair share of spammy Samus players who keep rolling away the entire match and it is annoying especially when the connection sucks and I can't perfect shield. But still, saying that grabbing no matter for how many times is cheap is pushing the line into the scrub territory. If I play Luigi and my opponet is clueless on how to avoid getting grabbed its only logical that I'll keep grabbing them till they die. Nothing is cheap about that. I am not going to use several moves when a single one is optimal to get the job done.

As a person who plays a lot of Luigi, I must agree in that case. But, there are definitely cheap tactics in Smash. Even with Luigi, though, if you just stand at the ledge the entire match, grabbing when your opponent gets near, THATS cheap. Hands down, dude.

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

Any kill with an attack that's way more powerful than it needs to be -- RosaLuma up air, ZSS down-B, or Ness B-throw, for instance.

 

[JAZZ_]

a Link or Samus that will never stop rolling and get you somewhere around like 100% and then just get close and spam smashes

Samus killing you by rolling and smashes??? how? you gotta rush down on her dont ever let her get away with a ROLL. (her roll is sooo easy to punish. And all her smashes are flawed and whiff 89% of the time)

kills that bug me are ones that I shouldve seen coming, (falcons Dair when I tether grab and quick zip to the ledge, mario cape my CS, and a rest)

 

[ChaikaBestGirl]

Samus killing you by rolling and smashes??? how? you gotta rush down on her dont ever let her get away with a ROLL. (her roll is sooo easy to punish. And all her smashes are flawed and whiff 89% of the time)

kills that bug me are ones that I shouldve seen coming, (falcons Dair when I tether grab and quick zip to the ledge, mario cape my CS, and a rest)

I do punish it but they don't learn and it is just tiring after a while.

 

[MarioMeteor]

Spamming thread? I wasn't spamming, at least not intentionally.

I spent 6 years trying to complete Brawl (which I never did, well I completed Subspace Emissary so I guess that accounts to something). I'm definitely not new to the Smash game, but I'm definitely not a "Master" either. A good friend of mine showed me some Fox tech that I've used. At times, its more or less effective but nevertheless, Smash is like any other hobby, you never stop improving (or until you put your 10,000 hours in). I'm improving with my Fox like you probably are whatever fighter you use.

I'm fighting in FF (mainly because I don't have the confidence to go in FG as much as I'd like to) so its a regular stage. I understand what message you're trying to convey but I don't appreciate being called a scrub, thanks.

He didn't call you a scrub, he said you have the mentality of one.

 

[Steelballray]

Spamming thread? I wasn't spamming, at least not intentionally.

I spent 6 years trying to complete Brawl (which I never did, well I completed Subspace Emissary so I guess that accounts to something). I'm definitely not new to the Smash game, but I'm definitely not a "Master" either. A good friend of mine showed me some Fox tech that I've used. At times, its more or less effective but nevertheless, Smash is like any other hobby, you never stop improving (or until you put your 10,000 hours in). I'm improving with my Fox like you probably are whatever fighter you use.

I'm fighting in FF (mainly because I don't have the confidence to go in FG as much as I'd like to) so its a regular stage. I understand what message you're trying to convey but I don't appreciate being called a scrub, thanks.

I meant the "spamming attacks thread" or whatever its called. You were making a similar point to this one.

As a person who plays a lot of Luigi, I must agree in that case. But, there are definitely cheap tactics in Smash. Even with Luigi, though, if you just stand at the ledge the entire match, grabbing when your opponent gets near, THATS cheap. Hands down, dude.

I don't understand how that can be done.
If I stand at the ledge and spam grabs that must imply I have no projectiles, and if that's the case you should shoot your projectiles at me and if you do that I'll be forced to advance and loss that position that is supposed to be advantegous.. For whatever reason.
If you have no projectiles you should go in from the air if you have a safe air poke or/and a mix between dash attack and dashgrab and take the situation where ever from there.
Don't blame anyone but yourself and don't call anything cheap even if it really seems like it is. Fight the odds and adapt to whatever situation you get thrown into.

Sigh. My most agitating deaths are the ones where I get stage spiked by Mario's dash attack. I don't usually go into teching mode unless the enemy is with me in the air so that always gets me by surprise.

 

[Foxus]

He didn't call you a scrub, he said you have the mentality of one.

Okay, its nice to have the clarification because it can get easily misconstrued.

I don't see a direct correlation between this thread and the response I made in the other thread. If there is any, I must have missed it. Btw, I don't know what "spiking" is.

 

[Sünta]

The footstools that both of the players know is unintentional are pretty annoying.

 

[Douglas Jay Ganon]

Easy bake combos. I'm looking at you, ZSS, Sheik and Luigi.

 

[Steelballray]

Easy bake combos. I'm looking at you, ZSS, Sheik and Luigi.

Luigi is true. With ZSS its true but less so and you have easier time DI'ing before you getting hit and to avoid dying early. **** Shiek.

 

[Purin a.k.a. José]

Getting killed by slow attacks, predictable landing(a.k.a. Bowser Bomb) or dying during the process of off-stage edgeguarding.

 

[GerudoKong]

Getting killed by a charge shot from Samus. Kills around 80 when they have rage.

 

[Avokha]

Okay, its nice to have the clarification because it can get easily misconstrued.

I don't see a direct correlation between this thread and the response I made in the other thread. If there is any, I must have missed it. Btw, I don't know what "spiking" is.

Spiking, aka meteor smashes, in which an attack sends the foe straight down or at a steep angle downward. Another form of Spiking is Stagespiking, in which an attack knocks the foe into the stages lower surface in a way that send them downwards and into the bottom blastzone similar to meteor smashes. Hope I helped

 

[shadenexus18]

I like Mario players that get exposed to how noobish they really are by just using Grab/U-Tilt/U-Tilt/U-Tilt, and then hope and pray they finish me with a Smash Attack.

It's not agitating. It's cute that they believe they can beat me this way.

 

[Xandercosm]

I like Mario players that get exposed to how noobish they really are by just using Grab/U-Tilt/U-Tilt/U-Tilt, and then hope and pray they finish me with a Smash Attack.

It's not agitating. It's cute that they believe they can beat me this way.

Actually, D-throw to U-tilt x 3 is a great combo with tons of options. So it's not "noobish" at all.

 

[shadenexus18]

Actually, D-throw to U-tilt x 3 is a great combo with tons of options. So it's not "noobish" at all.

Oh it's noobish when that is the only thing your foe can offer you in a match. Mario is so much better than that, and I'm not going to get started on Dr. Mario's potential. (love using him)

I prefer D-throw U tilt x2 and Super Jump Punch, but that's just me.

 

[TempestSurge]

Those moments when I quick draw with Ike and then watch him fly across the stage to his death cause of Link's boomerang. Yeah that gets me pretty salty I'd say.

 

[Nona]

• When I try to stuff Falco's side-B recovery with a meteor, mess up the timing/positioning, and then I'm dunked downwards to my doom.
• Stage spikes (especially unintentional ones) get me pretty salty as well, but my fault for not teching.
• Heck, both of the above situations are my fault, really.

I guess something sort of out of my power is getting my PK Thunder stuffed by someone sandbagging the PKT ball... hello darkness my old friend

 

[Solutionme]

I do punish it but they don't learn and it is just tiring after a while.

Pretty much, it becomes a chore to even deal with it, you don't learn anything for the MU, and you don't have any fun aside disrespecting them by counterpicking Samus or w/e character they use even without having ever used that character. Then again there isn't much of a tutorial in this game or difficulty curve until you go against real people, so I understand where the spam comes from.

Edit: Though to some extent, this is actually a somewhat viable tactic doing it in the middle of a FG match, then going completely hardcore and ruining the opponent.

 

[PK Get Rekt]

I play as Ness often, and I haven't gotten used to the angular patterns of PK Thunder Beta. I'll hit Ness to the right and he goes left. Anyone know why?

 

[Foxus]

I play as Ness often, and I haven't gotten used to the angular patterns of PK Thunder Beta. I'll hit Ness to the right and he goes left. Anyone know why?

I've tried to figure that one out myself man. Can't help you out on that one.

• When I try to stuff Falco's side-B recovery with a meteor, mess up the timing/positioning, and then I'm dunked downwards to my doom.
• Stage spikes (especially unintentional ones) get me pretty salty as well, but my fault for not teching.
• Heck, both of the above situations are my fault, really.

I guess something sort of out of my power is getting my PK Thunder stuffed by someone sandbagging the PKT ball... hello darkness my old friend

Meteor smashes I find can be pretty tricky. Some are predictable like Yoshi's Ground Pound but other characters like Link can make a meteor smash unpredictable. Its weird how the small things work. You don't have any meteor smashes really for Fox or Falco, you can come in with a down-kick but that's pretty much it. You just gotta pray to Gold that Link doesn't get big ideas when you're recovering.

 

[Buffoon]

Stage spikes at early percentages (1% to 12%, e.g.)

Getting kept away from the ledge and falling to your death at early percentages (20%-40% range)

Flame Choked on your last stock

Walking/Dashing/Dodging into someone's charged attack

 

[Xandercosm]

Oh it's noobish when that is the only thing your foe can offer you in a match. Mario is so much better than that, and I'm not going to get started on Dr. Mario's potential. (love using him)

I prefer D-throw U tilt x2 and Super Jump Punch, but that's just me.

Yeah, I completely agree. I just didn't understand what you were saying. I thought you meant it wasn't good at all.

 

[Sk8r151]

Falcon: Down Throw, knee. Show me ya moves

 

[Tino]

Every move from Captain Falcon. **** him and the Mario Bros.

 

[ThatEpicMudkip]

Every move from Captain Falcon. **** him and the Mario Bros.

I'm fine with Falcon players that actually get the kill from a good read or a well spaced bair, but the laggy ones on FG that spam falcon punch and knee and take advantage of their crap internet to get cheap kills (that no one would fall for offline mode) really tick me off. Also Luigi misfires and Mario FLUDDing you to gimp you are extremely annoying.

 

[Foxus]

Every move from Captain Falcon. **** him and the Mario Bros.

Meh, Falcon isn't the hardest thing to beat out there in the world. A lot of them go for a grab at the beginnning.

 

[Xandercosm]

I'm fine with Falcon players that actually get the kill from a good read or a well spaced bair, but the laggy ones on FG that spam falcon punch and knee and take advantage of their crap internet to get cheap kills (that no one would fall for offline mode) really tick me off. Also Luigi misfires and Mario FLUDDing you to gimp you are extremely annoying.

Love Mario & Weegee's gimps...

 

[Smashifer]

For me, it'd be two:

• Ganoncide. It doesn't matter if it were my first or last stock, just... please don't...
• When I try to use PK Rocket but end up blasting myself away from the stage instead of to it, and I obviously hit myself on the bottom right, why'd I blast to the left?! Extra salt points if you taunt while I fall to my doom.

 

[Solutionme]

Most agitating kill for me really comes down to when I eat too much (inserting my own asterisks here) **** with my opponent and he closes out both of my stocks, taunts after I didn't lose once after nine matches, and leaves. I could have stopped it, but I was having too much fun being dumb and whiffing things on purpose.

Edit: HOW COULD I FORGOT... footstools that were not intended.... '~'

 

[Saucen]

When I kill myself.

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

Forgot to mention Ganoncides. It's annoying that Ganondorf loses his stock after his opponent, because now Ganondorf can literally Ganoncide twice and WIN. With other character's suicide kills, they die first, so it should only be used when they're at least a stock ahead, but not Ganondorf...