Monterey Park, CA: Brawl & All Brawl tournaments (and KoF XI), Saturday May 3rd

[iankobe]

norcal is saturday, toy mandala on sunday, im coming home sunday morning at 4 am

Oh ok. Cool.

But yeah.

Pimpwilly, you've got to change the rules of counterpicking. Winner still gets to choose character after loser picks.

 

[Pimp Willy]

Nope, we're testing out the capcom style counterpicking system, the same system that we've been discussing and using in SRK online tournies (and the few offline ones), only we added the third clause (loser can change character and keep same stage, instead of random stage, in an attempt to give the loser an "out" where they dont have to worry about getting shafted by the stage if they so choose). We firmly believe in winner keeps same character, so that is what we're going to be testing.

 

[JTB]

There is no reason to test it, it's already been proven to be an effective style of counterpicking throughout Melee.

If it's not broken, why fix it?

 

[MrWizard]

Because Melee =/= Brawl, the sooner you start realizing this, the better off you will be.

I might have to check out this tournament live and see whats going on.

 

[JTB]

The counterpicking style has NOTHING to do with gameplay, so it can be applied to Brawl.

 

[MrWizard]

And this was Evo's rule last year and will stand regardless of items or not.

After the stage has been selected by the losing player, the winner of the previous game may change characters, but has to pick first.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Actually some people in the backroom have shown interest in trying out this style of counterpicking, but I had no idea it was from other fighters! If people are really resistant to the idea, then why not only apply it to the items tournament?

In all honesty, that style of counterpicking is quite interesting. I may see if some people I know will be up for a side tournament with those rules at the next tournament I go to. Although, a HUGE part of the Smash metagame is counterpicking characters, so eliminating that could functionally change how the game is played much more than you could imagine ^_^''

 

[lovepig78]

why do you guys find it necesary to flame on us.
were just testing
and like its been mentioned over and over again there is two tournament items on and off
so come out and play in the non item one

so be a good community and help support it.
we run these tournies for you guys.

 

[iankobe]

Look, we're not trying to flame you guys. We're making sure that you guys are running this right.

If you guys are testing, its fine. Test with the Items tourney along with the counterpicking rules. At least gives us a NORMAL tournament that runs normally.

Please understand that if you're running a tournament, you've got to run it right. And we ARE a great community.

 

[killer tofu]

Wouldn't a tournament being run for the community have the rules that the community has decided on?

 

[Pimp Willy]

Actually, as far as I know, the counter picking method was only supposed to be run for the items-on tourney. I didn't mean to imply is was going to be used for the items off one, unless that is what lovepig had decided to do.

And secondly, there is a time and a place to test changes to the standard commonly used rules format, namely smaller local events, just like this one. Why should EVERY tournament need to adhere to some pre-defined ruleset? If you never give anything else a chance to even be TRIED at a tournament, how will you ever know if it works better or not?

 

[JTB]

I was unaware that those rules were used last year, I thought this was just an out of a blue thing and it seemed kinda weird.

 

[iankobe]

Well. As long as those rules are running with the items ONLY, we're fine with it.

 

[killer tofu]

smaller tournaments are practice for bigger tournaments why not have the same rules

 

[DVD:madZ]

I was under the impression that the items off tournament was running under generally accpeted rules. If it isn't, by all means, bring it up and I'll change it. My original intent was to run a tourney with community accepted rules and one with experimental rules for EVO. So, basically, the items off tourney's rules are up to you guys, cause I feel you guys would know it best, whereas the experimental tournament's rules will be up to Pimp Willy and Wizard, since the intent is for them to test drive the rules.

 

[iankobe]

That sounds good. I have nothing against it.

 

[wtZzz]

I don't give a **** what the back room says, this isn't melee. The back room should be deleted.

I am still trying to figure out why we allow any stage other than neutrals.

1st stage is either agreed upon, or made random. 2nd stage is picked by the loser. 3rd stage picked by loser of game 2.

No other system should be used



I plan on going to this tournament by the way lolool

 

[JTB]

Counterpick stages add variety to the game as well as more depth.

 

[f.o.b]

NOOO mhaze not going to be there? sad face.

 

[Pimp Willy]

Just as an update/clarification,

We will be startin the items off tourney first (at 2), then the items on tourney will start near the end/after the items on tourney, which will depend how fast things run and how many people show up.

 

[iankobe]

Hey Pimp Willy, I'm gonna be bringing a whole set of TV and Wii.

Can you get me in for free?

 

[DVD:madZ]

iankobe: Nice job making the tournament sound like a club. Yeah, you get into both tournaments free. But as I said, there has to be a limit of people we're letting in free, otherwise, the pot will be 0$. =(

 

[mikeHAZE]

what's the limit?

 

[DVD:madZ]

Well, we should have about 4-6 setups, so we'll probably waive 4-6 entries. It'll most likely be on a first come, first serve basis.

 

[iankobe]

LOL. How did even make this sound like a club...

It has always been that way but since this is such a special tournament, I asked.

 

[Pimp Willy]

See ya guys there today : )

 

[Phampy]

Ugh, doesn't look like I can make it. Parents won't let me go till I finish homework and study for AP tests. ****, I wanted to play other competitive people face to face instead of over the horrid online =/

 

[Pimp Willy]

Tournament Results:
DIET BRAWL (no items)
5/3/2008
16-man bracket (16 participants)

1/2 Gary Chan (split pot)
1/2 MikeHAZE (split pot)
3 Jeremy
4 Hyper Sonic
5 Ian Kobe
5 Oli
7 FOB
7 Mik
9 Alex Hernandez
9 Will
9 LazerFrog
9 Nicholas
13 LovePig
13 Dale
13 Chris
13 Jonathan

ALL BRAWL
5/3/2008
32-man bracket (18 participants)

1/2 MikeHAZE (split pot)
1/2 Jeremy (split pot)
3 Ian Kobe
4 Oli
5 AGH
5 Pimp Willy
7 Mik
7 FOB
9 Hyper Sonic
9 Alex Hernandez
9 Gary Chan
9 Jacob
13 Iron Monkey
13 DVD
13 Will
13 SFD
17 LazerFrog
17 Dale



Items off videos are uploading and processing here: http://www.youtube.com/user/PimpWilly
Items on videos to follow
Will upload the image of both brackets later as well

 

[DVD:madZ]

Good **** to everyone, nice meeting some of you guys. I have three letters to close this message on: M-V-P.

edit: I hate the filters.

 

[iankobe]

MVP is me.

Enough said.

=]

 

[AznChefii]

hey pimp willy, did you record the grand finals with me and mike?

 

[Phampy]

Man, can you like host another one sometime soon like during the summer when I'm not bogged down with homework and testings lol? I really want to play some of you guys in person to see how I compare.

 

[iankobe]

Dude Phampy, you can just come to Alhambra and smash it with us on weekends. We smash all the time and since you live so close to us anyway.

 

[iankobe]

Btw, Videos are up:

http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=PimpWilly&p=r