Orboknown
Smash Hero
It wouldn't surprise me if he quick mafia.forever though
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Mini Mafia Game Thread | Newbies are welcome! | Town wins Gheb's game | Zen next to host!
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The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
I wouldn't make that bet.
"Agreeing" is relative. It's certainly not the way I would go about reading a player or push a lynch against him. I think I can see where he's coming from though and why he'd conclude that you are probably scum. It's a bit vague ... not to call it diffuse ... because the way he presented his point is difficult to put into words. But if I follow it bit by bit I think I understand what he means.
I think the clumsy wording of the whole explanation makes it seem weaker and harder to understand than it actually is. In my opinion, Dietz genuinely believes that you answered the question in a manner that a scumbag would have. He probably think that the way you worded your answer shows that you've had to keep a lot of details in mind that a townie straight-up wouldn't have to worry about.
At the same time, it could be a massive stretch and maybe I'm reading his posts completely wrong. Pretty sure I'm not though. And I'm not even sure if I can agree with his case and how he concludes you are scum from it but I'm 100% sure he's genuine. Whether that makes him necessarily town is a different question though - in my opinion, it doesn't.
It lines up with my reads though because I think Orbo's approach to the whole issue is the most rational ... or even "functional", Dietz is somewhere in the middle and Rake is just opportunistic imo.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
I've officially lost any interest in pursuing TRG being a lyncher. Maybe mafia. Maybe.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Hell, I kinda buy why he's feeling Rake as the lyncher.
Hey let's lynch Rake.
Hey let's lynch Rake.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Trg>rake>gheb>dietz/zord
scum to town
scum to town
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
IDK the entire case in general feels like such a stretch I have a hard time buying that Dietz actually believes what he's typing.
Agreed 100% on Orbo. Also with your take on Rake to an extent.It lines up with my reads though because I think Orbo's approach to the whole issue is the most rational ... or even "functional", Dietz is somewhere in the middle and Rake is just opportunistic imo.
In your opinion is Rake acting opportunistic more likely to come from town mindset or scum mindset?
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Don't wrap your head around it that was my way of saying null lean town but definitely not a lyncher. Regardless, if you're getting lynched, it's not any time soon.
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
So basically...
Dietz thinks I'm scum because of reasons outlined in the case he made which I quoted in post #2277. Have a hard time taking it seriously because of how much he's reaching to come to the conclusion he did.
Rake has yet to make a case and yet has the strongest scum read on me out of anyone else in this game. Has been riding Dietz's jock throughout the game so far and feels like scum pushing for an early lynch. Indy isn't out of the question either.
Orbo what's your reasoning?
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
TRG who do you think is lyncher?
Orboknown
Smash Hero
I don't like how you are responding to everything. Dietz might be looking at you sideways for something you don't agree with but that makes him stupid? Zen is town because why? First thing you do is call rake ******** and say he should quit mafia? I don't like your explanation for why rake is scum,at least not your initial accusations about how he questions help. You also put wayyyyyy too much thought wayyyyy too quickly while answering rakes question and implied you had more but never provided it
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
I have no qualms with being lynched as long as Rake goes first. I feel that strongly about Rake's play being detrimental to a town win based on what I've seen from him so far.
Tbh I've been so caught up in hunting mafia I'm still not sure how to properly approach sniffing out that faction. Gun to my head I'd say it's Dietz for now.
I don't like how I'm responding to things either. I'm genuinely ticked off by Rake's insistence that I must be scum based off of such a weak case. I never said he was stupid btw, I was calling his case stupid. If someone were to reach as hard as he did to insist you were scum based on a question you found scummy in the first place you'd be ticked off as well. Rake is the one who instead he'd stop playing mafia if I were town by the way, so you can't blame me for that lol. I merely stated I have no intention of playing with him again if this is what passes in his eyes as good town play.
Zen is town for being the only other play besides myself to call out what a **** case Rake had going against me. If he were mafia he could have easily made up some case against me and gotten me lynched since Rake, Dietz, and you are so hell bent on me being scum (or at least for the time being).
Overall it seems that you've been alarmed by my diction more than anything and I know how strongly you like to stick to your initial reads but all I ask for you to do is keep an open mind, re-read some stuff, and instead of focusing on the emotion behind my posts focus on my intent. Then do the same for Rake. If you still think I'm more scummy than him afterwards then it is what it is.
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
Now that the game's started I don't think I've even placed a vote yet...
Vote: Rake
Vote: Rake
Orboknown
Smash Hero
That's a pretty bad case for zentown.
Don't worry i reevaluate when things give me a reason to
Don't worry i reevaluate when things give me a reason to
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
If Zen were Mafia why not take the opportunity to hop on Dietz's wagon and lynch me?
Orboknown
Smash Hero
I want to hear more from rake and to a degree dietz before i decide which way i want to turn.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Mafia wants lyncher gone before town does. If mafzen scumreads rake then he will push for an indy lynch. If rake flips lyncher i think zen hits up a lot on my scumlist and you dive
Orboknown
Smash Hero
I'm watching batman begins so responses might be delayed
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
I dive?
Orboknown
Smash Hero
You go down towards the town side.
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
Who do you see as most likely lyncher as of now?
Orboknown
Smash Hero
It's prolly fifty five forty five you/rake till rake lays out his feels
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
It's quotes like these that make me think you could be mad btw.TRG said:
If you're town don't think of hunting mafia. Think hunting scum, and when you get a feel, ask yourself if their actions make sense for x alignment. You can't really do that for a closed setup if you're town unless an Indy faction is mod confirmed, but ask yourself "is player x doing this to satisfy their wincon?" Lyncher has a target to lynch. He wins by lynching that target. Like I said, that frame of mind works for this game.
I feel good about Rake being lyncher because he's extra opportunistic than any bad player should be. If he's town, then he blows, but I don't think he blows THIS bad.. If he's mafia, I'm a bit surprised. He's painting a huge target on himself. But what you said about him makes from a lynchers POV.
It doesn't matter anyway. A lynch won't go through unless were lynching Rake. It's that easy.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Why does TRG being a lyncher make ANY sense orbo? Btw please keep posting like this, your towniness is showing.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
What was the point of getting zens password if you are just using your own account? XD
Orboknown
Smash Hero
I haven't. Looked at it from a "this is a lyncher" pov because lyncher going hard after his target d1 is a pretty bad mindset to use going into the game. Like i said his posts feel off but townie enough that i don't feel he is mafia
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
Based on how hard I've been pushed by Dietz/Rake I'm 75% sure the lyncher is one of the two. Leaning more on Dietz.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Why dietz though? Is rake mafia? You stated earlier dietz was null but maybe the strongest townread if you had.one.
Now you are declaring him lyncher based entirely on one push of his. Me no likey
Now you are declaring him lyncher based entirely on one push of his. Me no likey
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
Because the entire case Dietz made against me was such a stretch that I have a hard time believing it was coming from a townie legitimately trying to scum hunt.
And yes Rake is mafia... or an ultra aggressive lyncher (less likely)... or a really bad town player (even less likely)
Why am I being criticized for changing one of my very first reads? Too many posts have been made between that read then and now. But to answer at first I read Dietz's case as town making up a case as a means of putting pressure on me. It wasn't until I realized he was serious about his case that I became suspicious.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Why is rake mafia? Is it just poe or is there something more specific?
I disagree on your assertation of dietz being scum based on him being serious about his push on you and i think you just aren't understanding what his push is about
I disagree on your assertation of dietz being scum based on him being serious about his push on you and i think you just aren't understanding what his push is about
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Votecount:
[2] The Real Gamer | Voted by: Gheb, Orbo
[2] Anomandaris_Rake | Voted by: Zen, TRG
[0] Gheb_01
[0] Jdietz43
[0] Orboknown
[0] Zen
Not Voting - Rake, Jdietz
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With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Deadline: The last minute of Thursday, December 26th
Votecount:
[2] The Real Gamer | Voted by: Gheb, Orbo
[2] Anomandaris_Rake | Voted by: Zen, TRG
[0] Gheb_01
[0] Jdietz43
[0] Orboknown
[0] Zen
Not Voting - Rake, Jdietz
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With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Deadline: The last minute of Thursday, December 26th
The Real Gamer
Smash Hero
I've already been over this ad nauseum.
1) Instance that I'm mafia based on my response to a question I had no intention of taking seriously due to the copious amounts of WIFOM it creates.
2) His insistence to tunnel without making a case as if he wants me gone just for the sake of being gone.
3) His reaction regarding my aggression towards him. Instead of addressing any of my points he just shrugs it off as "meh scum being angry."
He's not scum hunting.
I understand his push perfectly... He wants me lynched. As for his reasoning as to WHY he thinks I'm scum and wants me lynched, I understand that as well. I understand it's such a massive stretch I have no idea how he's able to type with all of the arm ligament damage he's currently suffering from.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
1&2 aren't scummy in and of themselves. I don't believe he ever specifically said mafia either. I wouldn't say rake doesn't have a case so.much as he hasn't layed it out yet.
3is rake being rake and you shouldn't factor it into his alignment.
I don't have anything to say about your dietz stuff aside from i don't believe it. If gheb says something has a processable train of thought it probably does
3is rake being rake and you shouldn't factor it into his alignment.
I don't have anything to say about your dietz stuff aside from i don't believe it. If gheb says something has a processable train of thought it probably does
Shun Goku Satsu Rake
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why is trg alive.
you guys dumb or something ?
you guys dumb or something ?
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Why is rake not explaining things?
He dumb or something?
He dumb or something?
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im not even sure how you let him scum flail like this. Deitz goes from townie to trg's lyncher because why ? Clearly OMGUS. He can't even decide if im maf or lycnher, and thinks Dietz is more likely ? I dont think he quite realizes if Dietz was his lyncher, not only would he not be so obvious, but if he was, maf rake would sniff it and not support it. thats just ridiculous, why would maf help lyncher win. Cmon guys
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Rake you will be the first person that me or zen allow to be lynched.
Feel like playing the game now?
Feel like playing the game now?
Shun Goku Satsu Rake
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It's obvious, TRG's mindset was to hold back from outing things and over thinking things as to how they'd be taken. Theirs no reason he needs to worry about that as town. It's exactly what dietz said, and what gheb is agreeing with, TRG had a scummy mindset and thus he is scum. I pointed this oput before as an obv scum tell, which it is. It's not a newb town mistake either to be holding back such as he showed he was.
Tl;dr, TRG is scum, im town, orbo's town and Dietz is likely town. Zen maybe i'm undecided and gheb IDk.
Tl;dr, TRG is scum, im town, orbo's town and Dietz is likely town. Zen maybe i'm undecided and gheb IDk.
Orboknown
Smash Hero
Now tell me why he is scum PRE OUTBURSTS
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