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Jam Stunna

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With the Arizona immigration bill in the headlines, the immigration debate has flared up again. But I want to look at the issue from a different angle.

In 2009, a report was released by the U.S. military which described Mexico as a nation that could pose a threat for "rapid and sudden collapse." (a New York Times article about the report can be found here) Consider for a moment that the United States Joint Command consider Pakistan and Mexico to be equally unstable.

There are varying arguments on both sides as to whether or not Mexico is a failing state. Some think that Mexico has actually acclimated itself to its dire situation,while others see it as an problem for the nation's democracy. However, everyone agrees that the drug violence in Mexico is out of control, and it's only going to get worse.

For the moment, let's entertain the idea that Mexico is a failing state (it sounds that way to me; how else do you describe a nation that has had 0ver 22,000 drug related murders in 3 years, the assassination of political figures and a government that doesn't control all of its territory?). If that's true, then we're no longer dealing with an immigration problem. Instead, what we really have is a refugee crisis on our hands, as Mexicans aren't coming here to chase the American Dream, but are fleeing a violence-torn country with corrupt authorities and ineffectual government.

The question is this: if we see Mexican immigration as a (growing) refugee crisis, how does it affect the current immigration debate? Does it at all?
 

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Well, there is a qualitative difference between an immigrant and a refugee, and that difference is expressed practically in several ways. There are entirely different procedures for entering the U.S. as a refugee as opposed to an immigrant, and different levels of resources become available to you.

Also, I would be very wary of quoting statistics regarding this debate, because you can find statistics to support any conclusion you want/. I tried to avoid them in the OP for that reason. Lies, **** lies and statistics and all that.
 

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Whether we call them refugees or not, we have a problem and need to find a solution.
It is a HUGE problem. :S

There are 42 USA-Mexico border crossings, which is a very, very high number. It won't be possible to resolve all the boarder issues, and there will always be someone trying to cross it, especially because they're all either from third world, or emergent contries, where the life quality is worse than USA's and finding decent jobs is harder.
 

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If it was declared that persons fleeing Mexico were refugees, I don't think it would change much of the public opinion in the current illegal immigrant debate. To be considered a refugee, I think you have to go through the UN (UNHCR) or a US embassy. People who still crossed the border illegally would still be considered illegal immigants because they didn't go through the proper procedures. Though I'm sure applying for refugee status is easier than the process of applying for citizenship, I don't know how much more it would be done as opposed to straight fleeing and border crossing. (Maybe that is ignorant of me? I'm not assuming that they are lazy or don't want to go through the proper channels... I'm just assuming that they are leaving their country as simply and quickly as they can.)

I also think those opposed to illegal immigration would probably argue that we (and the UN and other international bodies / other countries) should assist Mexico in solving their problems (drug problems, govermental+organizational problems, law enforcement problems) so that the people of Mexico can return to their homeland instead of moving to ours.

I think it would be a harsh development, but it also might help solve our immigration problems by necessity (not that way I want to solve them). I don't think it would change the debate a lot, just hasten it in a sort of way.
 

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Great topic Jam; now that I think about it, I do believe some Mexican immigrants meet the criteria for refugees. They're often leaving due to fear that their children could become a victim of the drug war.

Under international law, refugees are individuals who:
- are outside their country of nationality or habitual residence; Yes
- have a well-founded fear of persecution because of their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group or political opinion; (gangs) and
- are unable or unwilling to avail themselves of the protection of that country, or to return there, for fear of persecution. Yes
While refugee status would probably change the government's view on the issue, I think Pierre the Scarecrow is right that the majority of people won't really care what they're labeled as. I also agree this will make clear how dire the situation in Mexico is, which in turn will help the problem be solved (or at least reduced) faster.
 

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The way I see it, legalise the drugs these cartels are selling. They'll lose their main source of income, so they'll lose most of their power. This means that the stranglehold that they have over the country will be gone and the drug war will hopefully stop. When the drug war stops, hopefully the refugees will as well.
 

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KrazyGlue, those conditions would not apply to Mexicans or South Americans simply trying to escape a drug war. When the definition suggests fear of persecution or an inability/unwillingness to avail oneself of the country's normal channels, it's referring to state-sanctioned or state supported persecution, not things like gangs or gang wars.

Thus, Mexican or South Americans fleeing to the US would not be considered for refugee status.
 
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