Mewtwo vs. Falco Matchup

[lain]

I find this matchup almost next to impossible to win. If the falco lasers a lot and retreats and waits for you to do something, what can be done?

 

[quak]

POWERSHIELD!

maneuver through platforms better to avoid lasers and to approach

on fd, learn to shield wavedash/teleport to get in

 

[quak]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=105561

and scroll down before you post

 

[Wilhelmsan]

You're not going to beat a good Falco without having mastered the SH teleport...that's all I gotta say

 

[quak]

sure you can, in fact, i rarely use SH teleport as an approchal

 

[Airo]

sh teleport has a set distance, which could turn to be a hazard if you overuse.
but every once in a while, its a great approach

as for falco, do not hesitate to roll. if you see a SHL to grab comming, roll.

against falcos, be completely defensive. try to space around and look for oportunities for dtilts or grabs.

 

[okami473]

I recomend drugging ur opponents cola before a match, that always helped me through hard times.

 

[Wilhelmsan]

I recomend drugging ur opponents cola before a match, that always helped me through hard times.

*disable*
>.<
lmao

 

[Wilhelmsan]

sure you can, in fact, i rarely use SH teleport as an approchal

I usually use m2's extremely nifty triangle jump to avoid lasers, sometimes I djc fair above them to close distance. If I see an opening I won't hesitate to SH teleport behind them, just to throw things off. Also, if he shoots a laser high enough to duck, wd under it ftw.

 

[quak]

woo! another triangle jumper!

 

[Airo]

triangle jump...., thats something i havnt seen anyone ever apply to a match.

are you serious about bypassing lasers with that?
i really dano, but from what i imagine, the frames should be sufficient to dodge lasers. and the timing would certainly be easier to manage than powershield.

 

[quak]

nah, powershielding lasers is easier for me

i got a 50% chance of doing it now, woot!

they'd be like, wtf? he got lucky MORE LASERS

and i'd be like, **** ur ****, BYAH!

but for everyone else, the best way on a non platform stage is to continuously wd into ur shield

... i usually reserve triangle jumping for close combat sits, and approching against non projectile spammers

 

[MetaKnight0]

Once upon a time I think I had a casual match using Mewtwo against Falco where I powershielded every single laser he threw at me.

I think the next match he stopped using SHL >_>

 

[-PM-]

what if you get into a huge combo those hurt and i dont know how to get out of them

sometimes you can nair and get out of them but they still hurt really bad =/

 

[Airo]

sometimes, its not a bad idea to DI off the stage. falco needs ground to combo. he wont follow you off the edge either. carefully recover to reset the situation.

 

[-PM-]

hmm thanks i found that out that i keep getting meteored all the time (thats normally how i die all the time because he likes the way it looks =[ but i drag him with me lol

 

[Airo]

when you use your second jump to recover, dont stick close to the stage wall.

most of the time, you should be aiming for some diagonal sweetspots or teleports directly onto stage.

 

[-PM-]

yea but normally the lag from the teleport gets me grabed or hit into another combo

 

[Wilhelmsan]

triangle jump...., thats something i havnt seen anyone ever apply to a match.

When I get some videos, you'll see.

 

[-PM-]

When I get some videos, you'll see.

i cant wait for that i dont know what it is xD lol

 

[PDRK]

yea but normally the lag from the teleport gets me grabed or hit into another combo

your best bet if your going to attempt to land on the stage try to land right above the stage kinda like a SHT, works better of your hanging on the ledge since you have more control.

 

[Airo]

yea but normally the lag from the teleport gets me grabed or hit into another combo

no... you DONT get even close to the stage. so why would you get even get grabbed or combo.
when you diagonal sweetspot, you should be well away form the ledge. which is why it is so safe.

your response makes zero sense.

 

[-PM-]

no... you DONT get even close to the stage. so why would you get even get grabbed or combo.
when you diagonal sweetspot, you should be well away form the ledge. which is why it is so safe.

your response makes zero sense.

wait i thought you ment something else do you mean when you jump of the ledge and teleport back on the ledge? or off the ledge back on the stage?

 

[Airo]

when you are knocked out and recovering, you should use your second jump such that you are not close to the edge, such that you can use a diagonal sweetspot to get a hold of the ledge, then get back onto stage.

 

[-PM-]

ohhh ok yea that makes more sense i was confused ill make sure i try that

 

[technomancer]

Wait, M2 has like... Luigi like WD out of shield capabilities like woah... I know Falco is gay but lasers shouldn't be that much of a problem. Watch any Husband vs. Falco vids or Ka-M vs. Falco vids to get the idea. Ftilt is good too.

 

[Airo]

its much worst than you could imagine..
lasers are too fast and they stun heck when it hits. on top of that, mewtwo doesnt have an aerial approach.

 

[Taj278]

Not many characters have an aerial approach against Falco, lol. I can think of Peach and maybe Marth. The Falco vs M2 match up isn't really that bad for me anymore. My simple routine on Falco's is usually powershield wavedash down tilt/grab, shield teleport shield and react to tilt or shffl with a retreating JC disable or a shield grab from a poorly spaced down air, or a powershield teleport mix up.

Basically you get in close to Falco and put some strings on him and watch him dance toward you then create a grab opportunity. You get your monster combo on grab, or tech chase depending on location/stage, try to create easy edge guards cuz Falco = easy mode off the stage.

If you feel uncomfortable teleporting or you think the Falco is calling it with reverse forward smashes and down airs, start doing more short hop air dodges, teleport in place, or WD out of shield with shield up. If you also feel that your powershields are off a bit, you can start teleporting into his SHL to mix up the distance of your teleports.

 

[-PM-]

thanks taj that helps a lot

btw after 2 weeks my mewtwo is better then my fox =/ and i used to main him

 

[Wilhelmsan]

Not many characters have an aerial approach against Falco, lol. I can think of Peach and maybe Marth. The Falco vs M2 match up isn't really that bad for me anymore. My simple routine on Falco's is usually powershield wavedash down tilt/grab, shield teleport shield and react to tilt or shffl with a retreating JC disable or a shield grab from a poorly spaced down air, or a powershield teleport mix up.

Basically you get in close to Falco and put some strings on him and watch him dance toward you then create a grab opportunity. You get your monster combo on grab, or tech chase depending on location/stage, try to create easy edge guards cuz Falco = easy mode off the stage.

If you feel uncomfortable teleporting or you think the Falco is calling it with reverse forward smashes and down airs, start doing more short hop air dodges, teleport in place, or WD out of shield with shield up. If you also feel that your powershields are off a bit, you can start teleporting into his SHL to mix up the distance of your teleports.

Wow, this has been very helpful. Thanks!

 

[Airo]

a shining light. <3