Melee Will Return For CEO 2015, Project M Dropped, Smash 4 Likely

[hype machine]

Project m is dying, just like melee when brawl came out.

 

[Narpas_sword]

I don't understand why a mod of a game should have more priority over a new game in the series.

Being a mod should have no outcome on the matter. Plenty of competitive PC games stem from mods.

The only thing that should matter is the support. If PM is bringing the lowest attenders, so be it. But it should never be dropped because it's a mod.

 

[Jimmology]

Now before everyone gets upset, you have to understand that these people are trying to make money. If they have to choose between Project M and Smash 4, they're going to choose the one that will make them more money.

When will the money be enough

 

[WhatisYourSchizm]

It's so sad to see this kind of thing happen to PM especially after how hard all the PMDT have worked to perfect their game. With smash 4 it seems like all people care about is money that comes with promoting it. Many new Youtube channels and other online celebrities have started streaming and creating a lot of gameplay videos for Smash 4 who would have never supported the community before. As much as I appreciate Nintendo for creating games that I love how can I keep respecting them if they're discouraging the use of a game that is the product of our community. I know Nintendo is a business and they have to have good promotions and sales to keep many people employed but why do their sales profits have to be at the expense of our communities well being?

How is it at the expense of any one well being other then a bunch of salty PM players crying that there mod isnt in a major tourney? The only thing thats cut and dry here is players of a non official mod feeling like there small community is entitled to all the big tourneys and every other game should **** off and leave the spot light for them.

 

[byebye]

As much as I appreciate Nintendo for creating games that I love how can I keep respecting them if they're discouraging the use of a game that is the product of our community. I know Nintendo is a business and they have to have good promotions and sales to keep many people employed but why do their sales profits have to be at the expense of our communities well being?

http://www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/2bym57/what_nintendo_employees_have_talked_about_project/
Last time I checked, Nintendo is even amazed by it. and is purposely turning a blind eye on it so that PM continues to live on.
The worst thing they did is the moderation in Miiverse, which they do on anyone or anything similar. and is not PM specific.

 

[hype machine]

Project m is dying, just like melee when brawl came out.

 

[Narpas_sword]

on other news. SF5 will replace SF4 in major tournaments 2 years from now.

Tekken 7 will replace TTT2.

and Smash 4 will be replaced if not Smash 5, by 6 or 7 sometime in the future too.

Such is the truth in competitive FGs. Accept it, adapt and move on.
I can't see why there's so much issue with this.

It's not always the way for new games to replace previous.

I hear there's this fighting game from 2001 still being played, even though it's the 2nd in the series and the 4th just came out.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Project M getting the boot, eh? Well, I suppose it makes sense with Smash 4 coming out.

 

[Kerenthar]

Could be the best MOD in games' history, but Smashboard is trying to turn it a GAME. Obviously, not a chance. And 3.02 is something great, but 3.5 is not too popular nowadays (nobody wants to play Project Nerf) . That is the way it is.

 

[SpeedBoost]

Glad to know my way to play Smash is dying -__-

 

[Jimmology]

How is it at the expense of any one well being other then a bunch of salty PM players crying that there mod isnt in a major tourney? The only thing thats cut and dry here is players of a non official mod feeling like there small community is entitled to all the big tourneys and every other game should **** off and leave the spot light for them.

Nintendo should be trying to build our community up into one big one containing all games not break it down so only they can profit from our communities success.

 

[LimitCrown]

Being a mod should have no outcome on the matter. Plenty of competitive PC games stem from mods.

The only thing that should matter is the support. If PM is bringing the lowest attenders, so be it. But it should never be dropped because it's a mod.

Why shouldn't it be a factor? Project M is not its own game since it is a mod of Brawl, and Project M isn't a game that stemmed from a mod.

Also, why shouldn't Super Smash Bros. 4 have been in CEO 2015 instead of Project M? The implications of some people's statements are that Smash 4 doesn't deserve it as much as Project M.

 

[BobVance_]

So will it be like ktar, where there's literally no one watching the Smash 4 set ups?

 

[byebye]

It's not always the way for new games to replace previous.

I hear there's this fighting game from 2001 still being played, even though it's the 2nd in the series and the 4th just came out.

you're right. but that's not the point.
point is the current version won't be there forever like a normal traditional sport. sooner or later, it will be replaced by something new. if the 2nd will not be replaced by the 4th, fine. but one cannot hold to the 2nd forever. eventually 5 will come, and 6. and maybe 6 PM that can replace the 2nd.

that is the environment we play in.

Daigo spent hours mastering parrying chun li's super on SF3. but he has to move on to SF4 and doing FADCs. and soon he should adapt to SF5's new mechanics.

so do we.

 

[WhatisYourSchizm]

Nintendo should be trying to build our community up into one big one containing all games not break it down so only they can profit from our communities success.

Problem there skippo PM is a mod and not a nintendo game why should they care about it? Answer they don't have to care about it and its in there rights to promote there new game over a fan made mod that brings in ZERO profit. The only people hurt by the decision to have Smash 4 over PM, is entitled PM players who think there game deserves to be in every tourney.

Nintendo or tourney organizers arnt turning down PM out of spite its turning it down because Smash 4 is the bigger game that will bring in more people. And frankly id rather see 64 over PM any day, its far more deserving of major tourney coverage.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

PM is getting no more love it seems, that's not fair.
It's a great game, and deserves to be played just as much as the others.
Compared to Smash 4, it simply has better mechanics and the fanservice is like no other.

And Is a mod also while Smash 4 is an official game sooo..

 

[Sideslick]

Smash 4 seems to be taking priority over PM, and it's a huge disappointment. Like seriously what the heck. I am all for giving smash wii u a fair shot in the Competitve scene and quite frankly am sick of people dissing it, but if it is going to take priority over an already established and honestly, better competitive game, then I'm going to get sick of seeing it.

As a Smash 4 player, I'm with you.

 

[Narpas_sword]

you're right. but that's not the point.
point is the current version won't be there forever like a normal traditional sport. sooner or later, it will be replaced by something new. if the 2nd will not be replaced by the 4th, fine. but one cannot hold to the 2nd forever. eventually 5 will come, and 6. and maybe 6 PM that can replace the 2nd.

that is the environment we play in.

Daigo spent hours mastering parrying chun li's super on SF3. but he has to move on to SF4 and doing FADCs. and soon he should adapt to SF5's new mechanics.

so do we.

Oh i know =) was just being facetious.
Id love to see all, but games get dropped, it's a fact.
Same will happen to melee someday too.

Why shouldn't it be a factor? Project M is not its own game since it is a mod of Brawl, and Project M isn't a game that stemmed from a mod.

Also, why shouldn't Super Smash Bros. 4 have been in CEO 2015 instead of Project M? The implications of some people's statements are that Smash 4 doesn't deserve it as much as Project M.

uhh, why should it be a factor?

It shouldnt because that's not how games should be judged.
You dont exclude a game based on it's consoles.
You dont exclude a game because it 'needs' to be on CRT.

"because it's a mod' is just a sad reasoning. it has nothing to do with the merits of the game.

its essentially racist, judging a game based on it's beginnings =p

 

[EmblemCrossing]

How is it at the expense of any one well being other then a bunch of salty PM players crying that there mod isnt in a major tourney? The only thing thats cut and dry here is players of a non official mod feeling like there small community is entitled to all the big tourneys and every other game should **** off and leave the spot light for them.

How many "salty PM players" have you seen crying over it being cut? Obviously people will be upset over losing a game. It would be the same way if any of the Smash titles were cut. Project M is a very large community if you want to be honest. It's certainly bigger than Brawl at the moment, and I've not once seen a Project M player say that they were entitled for tournament spots, and I'm 100% nobody has said that every other game should **** off. Yes, people are going to be upset with the loss of their title. It happened when people moved on to Brawl from Melee as well. Just move on, let people like what they want.

//end additional rant

 

[19_]

This sucks.

Every time I think of project M I think about these few guys who set up PM in a parking during the wait for the midnight release of smash 4. It was was the first time I played it and they were the nicest of people. Even sding for me even when I messed up.

See this mod get put down like this breaks my heart. I really hope those guys are taking this news ok.

 

[Sideslick]

That's a good thing, though.

Melee is bigger than ever. With that logic, Project M will become massive.

 

[Davis-Lightheart]

You guys have to understand, while Project M logically benefits Nintendo more than hurts it by influencing people to buy copies of Brawl (it still requires Brawl to run, and they are fine with that game at tournaments) the thing still breaks Nintendo policy when it comes to hacking the system.

If Nintendo supported Project M publicly by sponsoring it at tournaments then they'd be in legal trouble because then it would bring questions as to why other people can't hack their systems. From the get go, that's trouble for Nintendo, so they choose just to ignore it so that way people can enjoy playing it while their hands remain clean.

However, they can't have it be at an event that they sponsor. They don't want to kill it obviously, but their fingers are tied when it comes to these sponsorships. Nintendo is not the type of company to often hand out DMCA's unless they believe a mod is in direct competition with one of their products.

Project M really isn't a great loss to them because in the end, they still make profits off any Brawl copies sold thanks to Project M. Even if their focus is on Smash 4, Nintendo also believes in letting their games live as long as possible.

Do you know NSMBWii recently sold 10 million full priced copies, and Nintendo still advertises it on their page even though NSMBU is out? They don't mind how long a game lives as long as they can net profits from it.

 

[LimitCrown]

uhh, why should it be a factor?

It shouldnt because that's not how games should be judged.
You dont exclude a game based on it's consoles.
You dont exclude a game because it 'needs' to be on CRT.

"because it's a mod' is just a sad reasoning. it has nothing to do with the merits of the game.

its essentially racist, judging a game based on it's beginnings =p

Don't even make a comparison to racism. My question is why do people expect what is a mod of a game to have more priority over a newer game? You didn't try to answer that. You also said that plenty of PC games stem from mods, but Project M is not its own game because it is only a mod.

I only see that people think they are entitled to getting what they want, and there isn't a real reason why Smash 4 shouldn't be in CEO 2015 besides it not being like the other two games.

 

[BobVance_]

Don't even make a comparison to racism. My question is why do people expect what is a mod of a game to have more priority over a newer game? You didn't try to answer that. You also said that plenty of PC games stem from mods, but Project M is not its own game because it is only a mod.

I only see that people think they are entitled to getting what they want, and there isn't a real reason why Smash 4 shouldn't be in CEO 2015 besides it not being like the other two games.

I guess because it's a horrible spectator fighter.

 

[proxibomb]

Project m is dying, just like melee when brawl came out.

But Melee came back, even more popular than before. Don't lose hope just yet, kiddo.

 

[BobVance_]

But Melee came back, even more popular than before. Don't lose hope just yet, kiddo.

Brawl was so bad it brought back Melee.

 

[Crome]

I only see that people think they are entitled to getting what they want, and there isn't a real reason why Smash 4 shouldn't be in CEO 2015 besides it not being like the other two games.

Because smash bros 4 wasn't made for the competitive community.

I've noticed a lot of people saying "SF and Tekken move on to the new game, just learn to adapt" it isn't the fact that we can't "adapt" it's because every official smash game after melee hasn't had competitive elements. Brawl/4 were designed to have a low skill ceiling. Smash has always been the black sheep of the FGC, even when we have our best at the forefront. Having Brawl/4 represent ourselves is showing us at our worst.

PM took a less competitive game and made it competitive. It's a love letter to the competitive community. That's why people are making a big deal. This amazing game is being pushed aside by a lesser game.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

I guess because it's a horrible spectator fighter.

explains why the come up had 6000+ watching wiiu top 8

 

[CAUP]

Project M is the sacrificial lamb of the smash community

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Because smash bros 4 wasn't made for the competitive community.

I've noticed a lot of people saying "SF and Tekken move on to the new game, just learn to adapt" it isn't the fact that we can't "adapt" it's because every official smash game after melee hasn't had competitive elements. Brawl/4 were designed to have a low skill ceiling. Smash has always been the black sheep of the FGC, even when we have our best at the forefront. Having Brawl/4 represent ourselves is showing us at our worst.

PM took a less competitive game and made it competitive. It's a love letter to the competitive community. That's why people are making a big deal. This amazing game is being pushed aside by a lesser game.

comments like these are like slapping me in the face. i play smash 4 competitvly and like it. yeah it was not caterd to just one demographic but it still had competive in its design or for glory would not be a thing.

 

[BobVance_]

explains why the come up had 6000+ watching wiiu top 8

Really? Because I watch a lot of the biggest streams and their viewer count steadily declined after it was consistently Diddys and Shieks topping. I never see a high viewcount for tourneys on twitch streams. And ktar was pretty much dead in terms of smash 4 hype.

 

[BSP]

I'm glad CEO is giving a reason for their decision, and it's certainly understandable given that Smash 4 is the new game. However, exactly how long is it going to stay 'new?' This isn't a one time thing. Smash 4 is hurting the community because Nintendo couldn't stick by their word.

Keep in mind that not every competitive Smasher plays only PM and/or Melee, nor are they the only two Smash games with followings. Smash 4 has been a great addition for me and everyone who wants to play it, and last time I checked, those of us that are competitive do constitute part of the "smash community".

Not that there really is a smash community. I thought it was known since Brawl that there isn't a real Smash community. Most people only care about their own games. EVO is going to be hilarious if Melee gets the ax.

On topic, it's a shame that PM is getting the shaft, but unfortunately, time constraints are real. Hopefully this cold shoulder isn't permanent.

 

[ilysm]

Problem there skippo PM is a mod and not a nintendo game why should they care about it? Answer they don't have to care about it and its in there rights to promote there new game over a fan made mod that brings in ZERO profit. The only people hurt by the decision to have Smash 4 over PM, is entitled PM players who think there game deserves to be in every tourney.

Nintendo or tourney organizers arnt turning down PM out of spite its turning it down because Smash 4 is the bigger game that will bring in more people. And frankly id rather see 64 over PM any day, its far more deserving of major tourney coverage.

I dunno. I would argue it's not really an entitlement thing. After all, Project M is a little more than simply a mod (as I said in an earlier post). The PM community is a bit disappointed because their game has gotten recognition from large tournaments before, but ever since Apex it seems Nintendo has actively discouraged it. While your point that Nintendo is not obligated to 'care' about PM our its community is technically true, it's not too much to expect Nintendo to be accepting of it. Example? Valve and Team Fortress 2, a full-fledged game that began life as a mod. DOTA and Counter-Strike are similar in that regard if I remember correctly. As for Smash 4 being a 'bigger' game to 'bring in more people', while I am willing to accept that this is true, you haven't really provided evidence or elaboration on this point. How can you really say that objectively at this early stage?

And as far as 64 goes, your opinion is legit and I respect it but you really haven't given a reason as to why it's objectively more 'deserving' of tournament coverage. I mean, if it's personal opinion than it's fine. But 'deserve' is a pretty strong word to throw around based on personal opinion.

That said, it does bug me that some PM fans are being so bitter about this, which will solve nothing.

 

[BobVance_]

comments like these are like slapping me in the face. i play smash 4 competitvly and like it. yeah it was not caterd to just one demographic but it still had competive in its design or for glory would not be a thing.

For Glory is scrub central, and when you do find someone who's competent, it's all a boring spacing/footsies game. Not really good competitively.

 

[Crome]

comments like these are like slapping me in the face. i play smash 4 competitvly and like it. yeah it was not caterd to just one demographic but it still had competive in its design or for glory would not be a thing.

Don't take "This game isn't as good" as a slap in the face. Play it, man. I go to Smash 4 locals too. Smash 4 is a good game, but has flaws that keep it from being a good competitive game.

But citing "For Glory" as competitiveness doesn't work. They just took a meme "No items, Fox Only, Final Destination" and made it into an online gamemode. While sure they kinda tried, they didn't try that much.

 

[Narpas_sword]

Don't even make a comparison to racism. My question is why do people expect what is a mod of a game to have more priority over a newer game? You didn't try to answer that. You also said that plenty of PC games stem from mods, but Project M is not its own game because it is only a mod.

I only see that people think they are entitled to getting what they want, and there isn't a real reason why Smash 4 shouldn't be in CEO 2015 besides it not being like the other two games.

Clearly the racism bit was tongue in cheek (as denoted by the '=p')

I'm not saying it should have 'more priority'. I'm just saying it shouldn't be cut based on the fact that its a mod.

I'm being very careful to not say that 'game A is more deserving than B'. That's not what i think at all. I think that each game should be valued on its merits, not on it's official...ness.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

For Glory is scrub central, and when you do find someone who's competent, it's all a boring spacing/footsies game. Not really good competitively.

i never talked a about how great the people are on for glory i was talking about the idea of it.
also to each their own i like footsies and think its competive. this conversation is not going any where.

 

[CyberZixx]

its essentially racist, judging a game based on it's beginnings =p

Did you really just compare PM not getting into CEO to racism?

 

[Narpas_sword]

Did you really just compare PM not getting into CEO to racism?

yes.

and i did it with a '=p' face, to signify that it's not serious.

that ok?

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Don't take "This game isn't as good" as a slap in the face. Play it, man. I go to Smash 4 locals too. Smash 4 is a good game, but has flaws that keep it from being a good competitive game.

But citing "For Glory" as competitiveness doesn't work. They just took a meme "No items, Fox Only, Final Destination" and made it into an online gamemode. While sure they kinda tried, they didn't try that much.

lol just re read ur initial comment and for some reason i registerd it as ''smash 4 aint built for competive play'' lol sorry about that xd.