Melee Top Tiers Should Be Changed To PAL Specifications

[Vashimus]

no patience for that kind of person. if you want a conversation, a good tip is to stop talking to everyone else as if they are small children and not grown-*** men

While I agree the condescending attitudes have to go, you have to admit you're not exactly a person who leads by example in that department either, Canon. Passive-aggression around here is pretty numbing at this point.

 

[TheKmanOfSmash]

I would also recommend a tiny bit more of a bat swung into your jaw for your obnoxious passive-aggressiveness, but much like your obnoxious passive-aggressiveness, trying to sugarcoat it in nicer-sounding language probably doesn't help

You are not the first person to call the way in which I like to argue "passive-agressive". Personally, I don't see it that way, but if that's how everyone else sees it, then I guess I'm sorry? There's not much I can do about that. That's how I like to communicate as a person.

However, what every single person that has used this "passive-aggresive" card has in common is that they use it as an excuse to not explain or argue against the actual content of my posts. Instead of arguing the posts themselves, they choose to fixate on the style in which I post and use it to discedit all that I said. My post was simply about Ivysaur's Razor Leaf and her version changes and the only significant thing you took from that was the style in which I posted. You don't really do yourself or your intelectual integrity a favor by using a simple scapegoat like that to make any kind of point.

You also don't do yourself any faovrs by threatening to have a bat swung at my jaw....

Edit: Also, if I offended you, Teneban, I'm sorry. I was just trying to make a correction to your correction. I guess I could've stated it more simply, but I like to put things into perspective first. Apparently, that's the same thing as being passive-aggressive. So if that offended you, I'm sorry.

 

[SuruStorm]

Falco needs a buff, on his recovery that is.

Dear sweet god please no.

 

[Mr.Random]

This thread is still alive. I'm actually extremely surprised how tame this has been.

 

[Bleck]

That's how I like to communicate as a person.

If the manner in which you communicate has repeatedly shown to hamper your communication, the intelligent thing to do would be to re-evaluate the manner in which you communicate.

 

[TheKmanOfSmash]

If the manner in which you communicate has repeatedly shown to hamper your communication, the intelligent thing to do would be to re-evaluate the manner in which you communicate.

I would if people told me why this was an issue and what I could do to change it. But in every instance it seemed to be a result of personal distate and/or lead to personal attacks on me. I don't really feel inclined to change for such people.

 

[FlamingForce]

Of course all the top tier melee mains would complain, but you should take into account that even in the PAL tier list all the NTSC high tier are still high tier, they just are no longer broken.

I would like to point out that Fox and Falco are still hilariously broken.

 

[Bleck]

Consider this;

lmao, you obviously never played Ivysaur before 2.6

Nobody likes being laughed at unless they're trying to be funny. Taking the time to type out 'lmao' at somebody in a discussion is a sign of contempt; being right about something that somebody else is wrong about doesn't mean you get to look down at them.

And if you did, you were not very aware of her attributes as a character.

While it's clear that the person in question was not aware of the attribute you're talking about, pointing out that they weren't isn't needed. Focus more on expressing the facts that make a person in the wrong than on the fact that they're wrong.

If razor leaf had always been one leaf on screen at a time, why would the PMBR limit razor leaf from one leaf to..... one?....

Probably because you used to have more than one out on the field is my guess.

Nobody needs the explanation; once you've presented that this was in fact a thing that was changed about Ivysaur, everyone present can figure out the rest. Going out of your way to put two and two together in this fashion implies that you don't think people are capable of doing it themselves, which is an insult to their intelligence.

Having multiple razor leaves out on the field was a huge complaint about Ivysaur and had been adjusted in later version.

This is all you really needed to say. If you'd have just said this, along with the link to the changelist, you'd have accomplished everything you set out to communicate without also insulting people.

Just do a tiny bit more fact checking next time before correcting someone. Just a smudge more. It goes a long way.

Pointing out that someone should check their facts is fine, but the way you're doing it here is condescending. You don't need to say that they need to do it a tiny bit or a smudge more - just point out that they should check their facts before arguing about things. That's it.

 

[TheKmanOfSmash]

Consider this;



Nobody likes being laughed at unless they're trying to be funny. Taking the time to type out 'lmao' at somebody in a discussion is a sign of contempt; being right about something that somebody else is wrong about doesn't mean you get to look down at them.



While it's clear that the person in question was not aware of the attribute you're talking about, pointing out that they weren't isn't needed. Focus more on expressing the facts that make a person in the wrong than on the fact that they're wrong.



Nobody needs the explanation; once you've presented that this was in fact a thing that was changed about Ivysaur, everyone present can figure out the rest. Going out of your way to put two and two together in this fashion implies that you don't think people are capable of doing it themselves, which is an insult to their intelligence.



This is all you really needed to say. If you'd have just said this, along with the link to the changelist, you'd have accomplished everything you set out to communicate without also insulting people.



Pointing out that someone should check their facts is fine, but the way you're doing it here is condescending. You don't need to say that they need to do it a tiny bit or a smudge more - just point out that they should check their facts before arguing about things. That's it.

Thank you very much for this response. I'll take everything you've said to better construct my posts in the future.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Suddenly, the feelings of others matter.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Hell no not happening buddy and plus some melee top tiers like Falcon will be the same so NO!

 

[Yung Mei]

you're all bad especially @ Hinichii.ez.™ and @ Yung Mei
although that second guy is pr cute

 

[Ogopogo]

I wonder how many Brawl players play Project M. Probably a large amount of them played Meta Knight in Brawl, the top tier. Now they might play a more balanced MK, and they have to live with it. I'm sure Melee spacie players could adjust just the same.

PM is Project Melee tho, so Fox and Falco naturally mesh well w/ the physics. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't have to be toned down a little. Fox especially. Falco isn't so big of an issue with so many good recoveries and options.

 

[Star ☆]

I wonder how many Brawl players play Project M. Probably a large amount of them played Meta Knight in Brawl, the top tier. Now they might play a more balanced MK, and they have to live with it. I'm sure Melee spacie players could adjust just the same.

PM is Project Melee tho, so Fox and Falco naturally mesh well w/ the physics. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't have to be toned down a little. Fox especially. Falco isn't so big of an issue with so many good recoveries and options.

Project M isn't Project Melee. The M does not stand for Melee. PM is it's own game now. Anything can happen, however the majority of players are happy with how the spacies are. I once read this quote:

"Project M takes what was good about Melee, and adds balance, which improves character and stage viability, making for a more interesting and complex game to play and watch. If your complaint about PM is that "It's not Melee", then you may have missed the point of a competitive game."

Of course, I can see that you're supportive of changes to Fox/Falco. I'm a bit indifferent on the issue so hopefully the PMBR will come out with statement with their opinion on the idea.

 

[trash?]

project m is kind of an unfortunate name now, because no matter what the comparison's going to be there

but it's also gotten way too big for a name change to be viable

 

[Star ☆]

project m is kind of an unfortunate name now, because no matter what the comparison's going to be there

but it's also gotten way too big for a name change to be viable

Project Marvelous.

 

[GeZ]

Project M isn't Project Melee. The M does not stand for Melee. PM is it's own game now. Anything can happen, however the majority of players are happy with how the spacies are. I once read this quote:

"Project M takes what was good about Melee, and adds balance, which improves character and stage viability, making for a more interesting and complex game to play and watch. If your complaint about PM is that "It's not Melee", then you may have missed the point of a competitive game."

Of course, I can see that you're supportive of changes to Fox/Falco. I'm a bit indifferent on the issue so hopefully the PMBR will come out with statement with their opinion on the idea.

While the sentiment is true, that Project M is not setting out to be a 1 to 1 melee clone, I'm almost positive the M stands for Melee. Sorry dude.

 

[trash?]

nope, it used to be but every talk of it from the PMBR makes it clear they want to steer away of that with the goal of doing its own thing

 

[GeZ]

I'm happy to be corrected on that then. It's good to move away from that and at least try to put distance between the games.