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Melee plus N64 ssb = Brawl???
- Thread starter alwinroth
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_kSo_
Smash Master
I haven't been in this thread in a while, but after reading the majority of the posts, it appears everyone agrees with meSSB64 (has combos and played aggressively)
Brawl (has no combos and played defensively/campy)
Melee (you can be aggressive or campy)
SSB64+Brawl= Melee
Oh, did I win?
case closed
NJzFinest, you win
come on!
Fabrian
Smash Journeyman
You mean Melee= (SSB+Brawl) -((balance)^2X)
where X is the number of clones.
This is the simplified equation...
where X is the number of clones.
This is the simplified equation...
b13lion
Smash Apprentice
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calmlunatic
Smash Cadet
Peach's castle. Firstly because it looks nothing like peach's castle. Secondly because of that stupid bumper at the top.
4 Aces
Smash Ace
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I noticed that Kirby's dair becomes not as potent with each new game. In 64, it was really good as an offstage attack. In Melee, not so great, but it did have the knockback to smack them closer to the blastline (I didn't say it was a meteor/spike). In Brawl, it's more like Fox's dair from any one of the older smash games. By that I mean it's used for comboing and damage, but is never (almost tempted to say "can never") used for kills.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
lol not really, you just used a new form of the "kthxbye" bull**** that people use when they dont want to hear themselfs get proven wrong. or maybe not i just hate "kthxbye"SSB64 (has combos and played aggressively)
Brawl (has no combos and played defensively/campy)
Melee (you can be aggressive or campy)
SSB64+Brawl= Melee
Oh, did I win?
anyways, you just took the most general parts of the game and combined them to not proove a point.
MK= Button mashing goodness
SSB64/melee= Tachtical game play
Street fighter 3= MK+SSB ?
this is by your logic anyways O_o
Really, I meant it just a joke, especially with the Peach icon >_> the following posts at least got it lol. What you said actually doesn't even make much sense... I think you just hate "kthxbye" and anything that relates to it in the slightest way.
Let's see here.
Fact: Melee can be played either technical or not. There's characters that have a great set of combos, and there's those who don't
Fact: SSB64 is technical and combos are everywhere.
Fact: Brawl is the least technical of the 3 and isn't in fact played very technical at all, at least not at the current metagame. Combos aren't very existent in this game.
Fact: All of these games are part of SmashBros history...? lol
Please show me the flaw in what I just said since I don't understand how I wasn't able to support, or should I say prooove, my point. It's basically what me and other competitive players usually mention when talking about smash in general...thought it would be appropriate for the thread.
Nevertheless, congrats to take such a simple thing I said out of portion without take grasp of the simple logic behind it. I'm sorry if my post seemed so offensive that you just had to attack it, but still, I'm curious to knowing what exactly is wrong with what I said.
Btw, to anyone reading, I always say Brawl in red/bold >_>
Cancel
Smash Journeyman
thats why smash games are so great!
I honestly consider brawl more epic. I mean the speed isn't meelee, but where's the fun of killing someone in 3 hits? I actually like to enjoy the game for what it is rather than concentrate on every negative aspect of it.
And is having to fight for your kill such a big deal? For me most 1v1 matches get pretty epic.
And is having to fight for your kill such a big deal? For me most 1v1 matches get pretty epic.
Fabrian
Smash Journeyman
Brawl campers will lose against pros =P, it is their destiny... I don't know how you guys get shield grabbed so easily, it's as avoidable as getting run over by car with no wheels.
=/
That's basicly the only reason I can think of why people say brawl is defensive apart from snake.
I'm interested to hear the rest of the reasons. I will admit it is more defensive but not totally exagerated like people are whining about.
=/
That's basicly the only reason I can think of why people say brawl is defensive apart from snake.
I'm interested to hear the rest of the reasons. I will admit it is more defensive but not totally exagerated like people are whining about.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Falco felt nothing like fox, they had completely different styles of being played.
You know, its not as much as we don't like brawl as its different as much as, it has alot LESS competitive potential unlike melee
Fabrian
Smash Journeyman
you guys exagerate on how much less competitive potential brawl has...
It's been out for less than a month...
yeah we're all at the peak of mastering the game now.
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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How about in 2 years, we revive this thread and see how it goes? 
That'll satisfy everyone, no?
By the way NJzFinest, I like the Akroma avatar
That'll satisfy everyone, no?By the way NJzFinest, I like the Akroma avatar
b13lion
Smash Apprentice
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Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Hah don’t worry i kind of knew it was a joke, like you said though i hate "kthxbye" and such blah blah, and according to what you said, wouldn’t you be saying Brawl is its own game, but supports the "technical slide" in the chronologically later games?
And it wasn’t really about you being offensive (or that you tried it anyways) its just i personally don’t know you, and with the Internet and all its kind of hard… Well… Anyways =.=
I do apologize for attacking as i did :|
P.S.: I HATE TYPOS I think you already proooved that though xD
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
you guys exagerate on how much less competitive potential brawl has...
It's been out for less than a month...
yeah we're all at the peak of mastering the game now.
You are indeed right, I meant to put competitive potential atm, however we have ALOT more talent learning the game then when melee first came out. Not many people were trying to make melee competitive the first couple years, but now we have over thousands of people trying to learn new things about the game. Thousands of people that are trying to figure out its competitive play and advanced tech's. Like I said you are right, but meh lol.
Wrong, watch a pro Fox and Falco player.
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
True for some people that only stayed to melee and are writing all this **** over SWF about melee is more competivite than brawl. The game hasnt been out even close to how long it needs to be for it to reach really high standards. Brawl is inching its way up there
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
thyis has very little to do with the game play of Brawl, compared to melee and Smash64 >_> all your saying is the competitive level is growing...that tends to happen with new games
RomeDogg
Smash Journeyman
The game play of SSB and Melee were both good but slightly different physics.............. Brawls gameplay is just straight up ridiculous because there arent any combos whatsoever........... Therefore I believe that Brawl just is trash compared to either or.
SSB+SSBM-Replay value= Brawl
SSB+SSBM-Replay value= Brawl
Fabrian
Smash Journeyman
>.> Thoughtful threads like these brings these kinds of posts >9000...................... these threads have now become Ultimately more serious than in brawls release......................... Therefore I now believe E=MC^Brawl. Now were talking physics.
b13lion
Smash Apprentice
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You can airdodge out of a majority of those.
That was already discussed, enjoy your fail.
That was already discussed, enjoy your fail.
b13lion
Smash Apprentice
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Fabrian
Smash Journeyman
Some are combos some are just mind games... but for some reason I don't think this guy has SSBB...
Those vids rock though no questions asked... and btw you could escape a lot of melee combos too, so I don't know why you had to post that...
If you look carefully a lot of the combo vids show attacks at places and times where they cannot air dodge.
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Hey guys, I'm betting this guy is less than 13 years old. What do you think?
1) A lot of melee combos were HARD to escape. And even if you DID somehow escape a melee combo, chances were you would get chased and punished, since air-dodging in melee would you leave you defenseless until you hit the ground.
2) Those combo vids just show a string of hits during which the opponent could have escaped after each hit, but he sucked too much to do it. The most real combos you'll ever get are 2-3 hits at most.
Seriously, I could make a "brawl combo vid" just showing off a character beating up another character with a bunch of hits, but that don't make them real combos.
This is the ssb64 equivalent to these so called Brawl Combo Videos: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4SaH0dSOV8Y
Now that I think about it, you're probably gonna tell me those are real combos too, lmao.
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
LOL that's awesome.
Fabrian
Smash Journeyman
O.o lol did you even read my post or did you read one sentence...
Zantetsu
Smash Master
Whats the matter, scared?
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Yes I did, and if you showed that you had any skill in reading comprehension, you'd realize I directly proved you wrong on every single one of your points in your post. Now don't avoid the argument, go back and reply to my post with some baseless assumption and/or opinion to back yourself up with. It's what you've been doing this whole topic.
Fabrian
Smash Journeyman
If you read my post you'd see there were no absolutes and I never mentioned melee's air dodge, learn to read what's written...
I know you didn't watch the videos because the good ones are not smacked in your face in that list (it's obvious because brawl is more popular and newer than melee, and on top of that there is a recording option in brawl so that means more useless vids).
I have no idea where you got the idea that you tackled all my points when you put absolutes and mentioned things I never mentioned.
Are you even good in melee? why the **** would you try to randomly air dodge out of a combo, that's not how you escape them...
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
... What forum is this again?
Honestly, people. This debate is not only stale but is in the Melee forum and a couple subforums of the Brawl forum. Moreover, it has nothing to do with SSB64.
Honestly, people. This debate is not only stale but is in the Melee forum and a couple subforums of the Brawl forum. Moreover, it has nothing to do with SSB64.
I agree, attempting to air dodge out of a combo is completely futile.
There's no way trying to air dodge randomly to throw off an opponent's comboing momentum is going to work.[/sarcasm]
I'm sorry, I really had to point that out.
Also, to return all the way back to the original point of the thread.
I agree, I myself held that feeling at first that it seemed like an amalgamation of Brawl and Melee in some aspects. Especially the floatiness.
But yeah, after a while the, shall we say, 'unique' feel of Brawl becomes apparent.
((Woo, 700 posts))
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
OK wow, you just made this thread. Any chance you have that image in a larger size?
Okay, this thread needs to stop with the spamming.
It's now more of an argument than a discussion, and that's not what we want.
It's now more of an argument than a discussion, and that's not what we want.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Actually you would in Brawl because it doesnt cause muchdelay, its a fast start up, and with the low hit stun it works wonders on stoping your foe, then they are usualy in a abusable spot (behind you and not knowing wtf just happened) Air dodging in this game is one of the MAIN ways to get out of any of the combos (all those great 2-4 hit wonders) please play some people in Brawl who are god befor coming here and trying to say something that doesnt even make sense
I agree, attempting to air dodge out of a combo is completely futile.
There's no way trying to air dodge randomly to throw off an opponent's comboing momentum is going to work.[/sarcasm]
((Woo, 700 posts))
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Surri.... Did you notice he had sarcasm tags?
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
obviously not or i wouldnt have posted something which in turn, makes me look stupid xD, sorry man =.=
Tis okay : )
And I've seen a few of these face palm montages floating around. Just tile the image and make it your wall paper like I have at my Work PC : )
Anyway I agree, Air dodging has been working wonders for me in Brawl after getting past the whole 'OMG the physics for airdodging has changed' mindset.
I actually think Triangle jumping is much more viable now. Especially when I'm play Ganondorf, and Wolf players insist on laser spaming and what not.
Which brings me to another point.
I think older techniques like triangle jumping that eventually became redundant are useful again because of the drop in play speed. (At least for now).
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
Another reason why you could say that Brawl is a mixture of SSB64's gameplay and Melee's gameplay is that it seems to have the newer features Melee had that SSB64 didn't have (air dodging, as an example), but many of the glitches/ exploits/ advanced techniques such as wavedashing have been removed, incorporating SSB64's style.