me v. 0RLy's Sandstorm team <----creative title

[roy is my boi]

Rules: Evasion Clause, Freeze Clause, Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause, Timed Battle
orly sent out Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
ph3artehph1r3 sent out Medicham (lvl 100 Medicham ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
Towlie has entered the room.
asd testing has entered the room.
Medicham is tightening its focus!
orly switched in WTFgross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Medicham used Focus Punch.
WTFgross lost 85% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Medicham is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Medicham lost 6% of its health.
WTFgross's leftovers restored its health a little!
WTFgross restored 6% of its health.
---
Medicham used Fire Punch.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
WTFgross lost 21% of its health.
orly's WTFgross fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Medicham is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Medicham lost 6% of its health.
---
orly switched in TouchingIsGood (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Medicham is tightening its focus!
Medicham used Focus Punch.
It's super effective!
TouchingIsGood lost 100% of its health.
TouchingIsGood hung on using its Focus Sash!
TouchingIsGood used Roar.
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune).
Suicune is exerting its pressure!
The sandstorm rages.
Suicune is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Suicune lost 6% of its health.
---
TouchingIsGood used Explosion.
Suicune lost 56% of its health.
orly's TouchingIsGood fainted.
Suicune used Calm Mind.
Suicune's special attack was raised.
Suicune's special defence was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Suicune is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Suicune lost 6% of its health.
---
orly switched in HonkHonk (lvl 100 Mamoswine ?).
HonkHonk used Earthquake.
Suicune lost 32% of its health.
ph3artehph1r3's Suicune fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
---
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
HonkHonk used Rock Slide.
Skarmory lost 17% of its health.
Skarmory used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
The sandstorm rages.
---
HonkHonk used Rock Slide.
A critical hit!
Skarmory lost 34% of its health.
Skarmory used Whirlwind.
orly switched in Fatty (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
Pointed stones dug into Fatty.
Fatty lost 12% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Fatty's leftovers restored its health a little!
Fatty restored 6% of its health.
---
Fatty used Fire Fang.
It's super effective!
Skarmory lost 17% of its health.
Skarmory used Roost.
Skarmory restored 50% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Fatty's leftovers restored its health a little!
Fatty restored 6% of its health.
---
Fatty used Fire Fang.
Fatty's attack missed!
Skarmory used Roost.
Skarmory restored 18% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
---
Fatty used Fire Fang.
It's super effective!
Skarmory lost 18% of its health.
Skarmory used Whirlwind.
orly switched in HonkHonk (lvl 100 Mamoswine ?).
Pointed stones dug into HonkHonk.
HonkHonk lost 12% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
---
HonkHonk used Rock Slide.
Skarmory lost 17% of its health.
Skarmory used Whirlwind.
orly switched in Fatty (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
Pointed stones dug into Fatty.
Fatty lost 12% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Fatty's leftovers restored its health a little!
Fatty restored 6% of its health.
---
Fatty used Earthquake.
It doesn't affect Skarmory...
Skarmory used Roost.
Skarmory restored 35% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Fatty's leftovers restored its health a little!
Fatty restored 6% of its health.
---
Fatty used Fire Fang.
It's super effective!
Skarmory lost 17% of its health.
Skarmory used Whirlwind.
orly switched in FairNairJabx2FP (lvl 100 Lucario ?).
Pointed stones dug into FairNairJabx2FP.
FairNairJabx2FP lost 3% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
---
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Claydol (lvl 100 Claydol).
FairNairJabx2FP used Blaze Kick.
Claydol lost 25% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Claydol's leftovers restored its health a little!
Claydol restored 6% of its health.
---
FairNairJabx2FP used Swords Dance.
FairNairJabx2FP's attack was sharply raised.
Claydol used Zen Headbutt.
FairNairJabx2FP lost 34% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Claydol's leftovers restored its health a little!
Claydol restored 6% of its health.
---
Towlie has left the room.
FairNairJabx2FP used Blaze Kick.
Claydol lost 46% of its health.
Claydol used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
FairNairJabx2FP lost 63% of its health.
orly's FairNairJabx2FP fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Claydol's leftovers restored its health a little!
Claydol restored 6% of its health.
---
orly switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
Pointed stones dug into Tyranitar.
Tyranitar lost 12% of its health.
Tyranitar used Dragon Dance.
Tyranitar's attack was raised.
Tyranitar's speed was raised.
Claydol used Gyro Ball.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 15% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Claydol's leftovers restored its health a little!
Claydol restored 6% of its health.
---
ph3artehph1r3: oh ****
Tyranitar used Dragon Dance.
Tyranitar's attack was raised.
Tyranitar's speed was raised.
Claydol used Gyro Ball.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 22% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Claydol's leftovers restored its health a little!
Claydol restored 6% of its health.
---
Tyranitar used Ice Punch.
It's super effective!
Claydol lost 60% of its health.
ph3artehph1r3's Claydol fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
---
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Medicham (lvl 100 Medicham ?).
Medicham used Fake Out.
It's not very effective...
Tyranitar lost 9% of its health.
Tyranitar flinched!
The sandstorm rages.
Medicham is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Medicham lost 6% of its health.
---
Medicham used Bullet Punch.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Tyranitar lost 42% of its health.
orly's Tyranitar fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Medicham is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Medicham lost 6% of its health.
---
asd testing has left the room.
orly switched in Fatty (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
Pointed stones dug into Fatty.
Fatty lost 12% of its health.
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
Fatty used Swords Dance.
Fatty's attack was sharply raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Fatty's leftovers restored its health a little!
Fatty restored 6% of its health.
---
Flygon used Outrage.
Flygon went on a rampage!
Fatty lost 55% of its health.
Fatty used Swords Dance.
Fatty's attack was sharply raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Fatty's leftovers restored its health a little!
Fatty restored 6% of its health.
---
Flygon used Outrage.
Fatty lost 45% of its health.
orly's Fatty fainted.
Flygon's rampage ended.
Flygon became confused!
The sandstorm rages.
---
orly switched in HonkHonk (lvl 100 Mamoswine ?).
Pointed stones dug into HonkHonk.
HonkHonk lost 12% of its health.
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
HonkHonk used Ice Shard.
Skarmory lost 14% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
---
ph3artehph1r3: gg
HonkHonk used Rock Slide.
Skarmory lost 16% of its health.
Skarmory flinched!
The sandstorm rages.
---
HonkHonk used Rock Slide.
Skarmory lost 17% of its health.
Skarmory used Roost.
Skarmory restored 50% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
---
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Medicham (lvl 100 Medicham ?).
HonkHonk used Earthquake.
A critical hit!
Medicham lost 75% of its health.
ph3artehph1r3's Medicham fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
---
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Banette (lvl 100 Banette ?).
HonkHonk used Earthquake.
Banette lost 90% of its health.
Banette used Trick.
Banette obtained Focus Sash!
HonkHonk obtained Choice Band!
The sandstorm rages.
Banette is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Banette lost 6% of its health.
---
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
HonkHonk used Ice Shard.
It's super effective!
Flygon lost 100% of its health.
ph3artehph1r3's Flygon fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
---
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
HonkHonk used Ice Shard.
Skarmory lost 19% of its health.
Skarmory used Drill Peck.
HonkHonk lost 26% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
---
HonkHonk used Ice Shard.
Skarmory lost 19% of its health.
Skarmory used Drill Peck.
HonkHonk lost 27% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
---
HonkHonk used Ice Shard.
Skarmory lost 22% of its health.
Skarmory used Drill Peck.
HonkHonk lost 22% of its health.
orly's HonkHonk fainted.
ph3artehph1r3 wins!
orly has left the room.

 

[Hobobloke]

good but needs commentary so it's more enjoyable to read

 

[UltimaScout]

Wow... get ***** by Skarmory when you have a Sandstorm team...? Lol.

Odd choices for pokes, get ***** by medicham (??), I enjoyed the read.

Roy is my boi clearly is the smarter player. Well done Roy.

Yeah, 9/10 times medicham players don't run brick break... so don't shy away from them, or if you fear them sooo much... Run Dusknoir. Medicham gets ***** by him.

 

[roy is my boi]

But Dusknoir gets ***** by Tyranitar leads.
Most SandStorm teams if not all are weak to Skaramory BTW, because of the SpDef boost it gives opposing Skarmory. Also Skarmory cant get hit hard by Rock/Steel/ Ground types, the STAB types of most SS teams.
TY for the compliment, but I know that 0RLy could wreak me if I didn't have Skarmory =D
Srsly.

 

[UltimaScout]

But Dusknoir gets ***** by Tyranitar leads.
Most SandStorm teams if not all are weak to Skaramory BTW, because of the SpDef boost it gives opposing Skarmory. Also Skarmory cant get hit hard by Rock/Steel/ Ground types, the STAB types of most SS teams.
TY for the compliment, but I know that 0RLy could wreak me if I didn't have Skarmory =D
Srsly.

I ran a SS team in the gamebattles.com tourney. 3 or 4 of my pokes could all KO skarmory without blinking. (The team also went undefeated).

Dusknoir countered by t-tar? I told him to use Dusknoir, not you.

Nobody leads with t-tar unless they want to get gimped.

Also, if you didn't know, which apparently you didn't... Skarmory does not get any kind of bonus to Sp Def from sandstorm. Only Rock types get a Sp Def buff. Steel is just unaffected by the buffet, as well as ground.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Nobody leads with t-tar unless they want to get gimped.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1654437&postcount=3

You haven't been playing alot recently have you?

 

[roy is my boi]

Also, if you didn't know, which apparently you didn't... Skarmory does not get any kind of bonus to Sp Def from sandstorm. Only Rock types get a Sp Def buff. Steel is just unaffected by the buffet, as well as ground.

Never knew that. Thanks =D
Srsly.
EDIT:

I ran a SS team in the gamebattles.com tourney. 3 or 4 of my pokes could all KO skarmory without blinking. (The team also went undefeated).

Dusknoir countered by t-tar? I told him to use Dusknoir, not you.

Nobody leads with t-tar unless they want to get gimped.

Who were your pokes? Scarftran? <--is the only one that I can think of D=
I know you were talking to him, but I don't think that someone should just change their lead, just because it can't beat Medicham lol. Tyranitar beats all common leads except Aerodactal and Infenape. Also, this is a Sandstorm team, taking out Tyranitar would just make it a team lol.

 

[0RLY]

A team with just one special attacker easily falls to Skarmory. Especially if that special attacker is dead before it even gets to see Skarm.

 

[UltimaScout]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1654437&postcount=3

You haven't been playing alot recently have you?

On the contrary. I'll start saving logs when people lead w/ T-tar vs me. That just yells **** me. That's like trying to use a Slaking to defeat Ninjask.

Never knew that. Thanks =D
Srsly.
EDIT:
Who were your pokes? Scarftran? <--is the only one that I can think of D=
I know you were talking to him, but I don't think that someone should just change their lead, just because it can't beat Medicham lol. Tyranitar beats all common leads except Aerodactal and Infenape. Also, this is a Sandstorm team, taking out Tyranitar would just make it a team lol.

You're welcome.

**Note** Hippodown also knows sandstream... but that wasn't my point to remove him from
the team. I said do not lead with him. For example, I lead in my SS team with Bronzong. T-tar always came in 2nd.

Um, no. Scarftran seems silly. I used Sash'd Tran, cause Garchomps were everywhere in this tourney. Although the heatran rarely made an appearance or did anything useful for me. He usually just got *****... Hard.

Nah, T-tar loses to Ninjask lead too... He also loses to Tauros. Hm... who else is popular... Gyarados... Salamence... Milotic... Jirachi... Bronzong... I'm bored of naming people. You hopefully get the idea.

A team with just one special attacker easily falls to Skarmory. Especially if that special attacker is dead before it even gets to see Skarm.

That's not true, skarmory can get ***ged by dumb stuff too. Burn, Paralysis, Sleep. He's like setup fodder. What do you do when faced with a cradily? You can't blow him out of the fight. He ***** in SS team, and is decent sp attacker. Hidden power fire ***** skarmory. Unless you have someone to spam calm mind you're pretty much going to rely on getting a crit to kill him, between ingrain, leftovers, recover & barrier... Obviously not a flawless strategy, cause there is no flawless one but it certainly shows there are many sides to a story.

Don't be so set that your ideas are correct, because as we can plainly see from you battle performance as well as smogon teams performances in the past, they are shoddy at best. No pun intended. When you have invested as much time as me in the game, and can actually talk to me in such a way that I feel you actually know what you're talking about and don't rely on forums and "smogon" (laughs a little inside) to guide you around... then I will be happy to accept criticism from you on my teams. So far you haven't used any valid arguments, just "I don't think it will work cause they say it won't".

Obviously my teams work cause I have gone undefeated in everything that ever mattered that I played in. Want to cry more about me? Good. I enjoy listening to it.

(Chibo is right. You should bet him $ that I'm the best here)

 

[A_man13]

Someones getting a tad cockey. Not that I can really back that up. I'm way to nervous to go Firus on you.

 

[roy is my boi]

On the contrary. I'll start saving logs when people lead w/ T-tar vs me. That just yells **** me. That's like trying to use a Slaking to defeat Ninjask.

LOL, it could work with double hit LOLOLOL
Idunno, I know that I'm not that great, hopefully passable =D, so yeah. You seem just a tad bit arrogant, by infering that whoever uses Smogon is a noob. Thats sort of saying whoever uses Smashboards for Smash is a noob. I dunno.
Srsly.
EDIT: You seem look like a challenge, wanna play a quick match on Shoddy? When you **** me, could you also help my team? (I need help lol)

 

[A_man13]

Too bad shoddy isn't working for me; this match would be amazing to watch.

 

[roy is my boi]

Not really, I'm not that great.
Srsly.

 

[A_man13]

Well, still I'd wish it would work. Every time I try fixing it, it just ends up with the same error. Maybe I just need to remove my teams for a bit...

 

[0RLY]

LOL, it could work with double hit LOLOLOL

Slaking can't learn double hit.

Someones getting a tad cockey. Not that I can really back that up. I'm way to nervous to go Firus on you.

I'll do it for you. *cracks knuckles*

That's not true, skarmory can get ***ged by dumb stuff too. Burn, Paralysis, Sleep.

Paralysis is hax, never rely on hax. Burn just slows things down even more, Skarm will just need to Roost more often. Skarm is one of the best Pokemon in Standard. There's no way you'll let him fall asleep.

He's like setup fodder.

Whirlwind.

What do you do when faced with a cradily? You can't blow him out of the fight. He ***** in SS team, and is decent sp attacker.

You PP stall it to death. Skarmory can't be poisoned, is unaffected by Earthquake, and Rock Slide deals lol damage.

Hidden power fire ***** skarmory.

Which is a special attack. Your point was to defeat Skarmory using physical attacks.

Unless you have someone to spam calm mind you're pretty much going to rely on getting a crit to kill him, between ingrain, leftovers, recover & barrier... Obviously not a flawless strategy, cause there is no flawless one but it certainly shows there are many sides to a story.

If those are your attacks, you will NEVER kill Skarmory. In fact, that would actually turn YOU into set-up fodder. Ingrain prevents you from switching out, so you'll be trapped forever while your foe sets up without worry.

Don't be so set that your ideas are correct, because as we can plainly see from you battle performance as well as smogon teams performances in the past, they are shoddy at best.

Ideas? These are facts. What you're pointing out is opinion. Lets refer back to Physical Attackers vs. Skarmory. Let's take the strongest, physical-attacking, OU, Fire-type Pokemon and pit it against Skarmory. An Adamant, 252 Atk, Life Orbed, Super Effective, STAB Flare Blitz from Infernape deals 80%-95% to 252 HP/252 Def, Impish Skarmory. You will have no chance at an ohko until Blaze kicks in. If your Fire attack user doesn't have STAB, the next Pokemon coming out likely won't be able to finish off the Skarmory.

I will prove this to you in this example. We will take the strongest attacking Pokemon and have it use Fire Punch against Skarmory. An Adamant, 252 Atk, Choice Banded, Super Effective Fire Punch from DEOXYS-A deals 58%-69% damage to the same Skarmory in the previous example. Skarmory is the god of Physical walling. Off the top of my head, only Shuckle, Steelix, and Regirock are better at taking physical hits, but don't have access to reliable recovery AND phazing.

No pun intended. When you have invested as much time as me in the game, and can actually talk to me in such a way that I feel you actually know what you're talking about and don't rely on forums and "smogon" (laughs a little inside) to guide you around... then I will be happy to accept criticism from you on my teams.

I have invested 9 years in this game. Judging by your level of ignorance, I don't think you will understand what I'm talking about any time soon. Feel free to prove me wrong, though. Also, forums and smogon are wonderful resources made by players like you and I. Using them can never make you a worse player. Saying that you don't need forums is like a noob saying that they don't need wavedashing. Learning how to wavedash will never make you a worse player than before. You'll reap more benefit from learning how to do it than putting it down.

So far you haven't used any valid arguments, just "I don't think it will work cause they say it won't".

And you assume that "they" is lying for the past year?

Obviously my teams work cause I have gone undefeated in everything that ever mattered that I played in.

Sandbagging is frowned upon. Even my grandmother could say that she wasn't trying when her cookies didn't turn out as good as my grandfather's.

Want to cry more about me? Good. I enjoy listening to it.

Want to see my cry? Well, you'll never see my face with my palm over it everytime I read one of your posts.

(Chibo is right. You should bet him $ that I'm the best here)

I respect people for praising another player, but I won't take interest in anyone who praises themselves.

 

[UltimaScout]

LOL, it could work with double hit LOLOLOL
Idunno, I know that I'm not that great, hopefully passable =D, so yeah. You seem just a tad bit arrogant, by infering that whoever uses Smogon is a noob. Thats sort of saying whoever uses Smashboards for Smash is a noob. I dunno.
Srsly.
EDIT: You seem look like a challenge, wanna play a quick match on Shoddy? When you **** me, could you also help my team? (I need help lol)

No it wouldn't. Ninjask always knows protect.

I have merrit to be cocky.

Never said whoever "uses" Smogon is a noob. I said those who rely on it, and don't use any free thought are. Especially when you dismiss ideas that don't follow theirs as awful. In smash brothers it's different because there's a lot of tech skill involved and you need to listen to other players who are more experienced. Now the appropriate analogy would've been saying using a Strategy Guide to get good at smash brothers. Which yes, is terrible.

However in pokemon where tech skill is not a factor and it's literally on knowledge of the game / opponent / stats / calculations etc, you can't hope to win just by saying this guy/strategy is good. What happens when you get thrown a curve ball? You see something you're not used to. Like (ask JesiahTEG about this one), when you lead with a Heatran and your opponent leads w/ an Exeggutor and it results in you being down a pokemon and him still having a 100% health Exeggutor. (I ***** some dood in tourney like that).

Try and figure out how I did it... Heatran goes first no matter what, and can OHKO Exeggutor 100% of the time. Using strategy and what you know of the game... How did I do this? -- (EDIT: Heatran was Sash'd) (RE EDIT: I did not switch)

That's like people picking MetaKnight cause they can tornado spam and hoping to win.

I have no problems helping, I love talking about pokemon etc.

I am at work now sadly. Will be here until 9pm (Eastern Time)

 

[0RLY]

No it wouldn't. Ninjask always knows protect.

The standard baton passer:

Ninjask @ Leftovers
Speed Boost: Jolly
44 HP/252 Atk/212 Spe
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Swords Dance/Protect
-X-Scissor/Protect

Atk and HP are interchangeable if you want bulkier subs. Speed is set to outrun neutral natured, scarfed base 100s. You can use 80 Spe instead if you're using Protect, as that guarantees one free turn of Speed Boost.

I have merrit to be cocky.

No one has merit to be cocky.

Never said whoever "uses" Smogon is a noob. I said those who rely on it, and don't use any free thought are. Especially when you dismiss ideas that don't follow theirs as awful. In smash brothers it's different because there's a lot of tech skill involved and you need to listen to other players who are more experienced. Now the appropriate analogy would've been saying using a Strategy Guide to get good at smash brothers. Which yes, is terrible.

Going on the internet doesn't improve tech skill, as your basis states. Forums are used to spread and gather knowledge. Therefore, forums are helpful for any game or even things like education and life. Lastly, YOU need to listen to other players who are more experienced.

However in pokemon where tech skill is not a factor and it's literally on knowledge of the game / opponent / stats / calculations etc, you can't hope to win just by saying this guy/strategy is good.

This is called "rock, paper, scissors". If your opponent does, A, you need to do B. Pokemon is very luck based because of this.

What happens when you get thrown a curve ball? You see something you're not used to. Like (ask JesiahTEG about this one), when you lead with a Heatran and your opponent leads w/ an Exeggutor and it results in you being down a pokemon and him still having a 100% health Exeggutor. (I ***** some dood in tourney like that).

Who the hell has large enough of a brain tumor to lead with Exeggutor? Also, how the hell does an Exeggutor defeat a Heatran when it's slower AND weak to Heatran? If you ***** this "dood" in a tournament, which were you using, the Heatran or the Exeggutor?

Try and figure out how I did it... Heatran goes first no matter what, and can OHKO Exeggutor 100% of the time. Using strategy and what you know of the game... How did I do this? -- (EDIT: Heatran was Sash'd)

Now you're contradicting yourself, smooth job.

That's like people picking MetaKnight cause they can tornado spam and hoping to win.

You can't win with only tornado. It's the unpunishable nature of his attacks combined with his great recovery, small body, and disjointed hitboxes that make him extremely difficult to take down.

I have no problems helping, I love talking about pokemon etc.

It seems more like you love bragging about how good you are when you're really not. Before you try to throw this back at me, I never brag about myself and I do not consider myself that great of a player, I just try very hard. Thank you.

 

[UltimaScout]

The standard baton passer:

Ninjask @ Leftovers
Speed Boost: Jolly
44 HP/252 Atk/212 Spe
-Substitute
-Baton Pass
-Swords Dance/Protect
-X-Scissor/Protect

Standard. There you go again not thinking.

No one has merit to be cocky.

People that are good enough do. You think M2K shouldn't be cocky in smash? GG

Going on the internet doesn't improve tech skill, as your basis states. Forums are used to spread and gather knowledge. Therefore, forums are helpful for any game or even things like education and life.

You're right they do help. Again, do not rely on just them. As Morpheus once said... "I can only show you the door."

Lastly, YOU need to listen to other players who are more experienced.

To be perfectly honest, without regard to the Platinum version... D/P and before, there was no more experienced player than myself. That's why I'm playing again after a year off. Reclaim what's mine.

This is called "rock, paper, scissors". If your opponent does, A, you need to do B. Pokemon is very luck based because of this.

If your opponent does "A" you are NEVER required to do "B". Which that belief as being tossed around, it should prove my points. Now in some cases if you take the true meaning of "rock, paper, scissors", "A" will always beat out "B". Given certain situations that would be correct. Which is why most choose to switch. A lot of people mistake certain situations as too grim though and don't learn all aspects of the game before calling something a shoe in for one side.

Who the hell has large enough of a brain tumor to lead with Exeggutor? Also, how the hell does an Exeggutor defeat a Heatran when it's slower AND weak to Heatran? If you ***** this "dood" in a tournament, which were you using, the Heatran or the Exeggutor?

Yes, I was the one using Exeggutor. There was actually a whole joke made around it called "The Wrath of Exeggutor". Ask JessiahTEG about it if you can't figure it out. Exeggutor is one of my favorite pokemon, so naturally I've learned to make him effective. I can defeat blissey's 100% of the time with him using only Psychic as an offensive move. I use him as my blissey counter.

If you don't understand why a strategy is good, don't assume something ales the trainer. Try to learn from them and show a little respect. I am giving others a chance to figure it out prior to answering how it all went down.

Now you're contradicting yourself, smooth job.

I have not

You can't win with only tornado. It's the unpunishable nature of his attacks combined with his great recovery, small body, and disjointed hitboxes that make him extremely difficult to take down.

Wow, struck a nerve did I? You either main MK or just suck at fighting him.

I know why he's good, but my statement was saying how people that don't understand all that, and just spam tornado. It's the same thing that you're bringing to the table about Pokemon.

However, every MK player I've faced in tournament I've defeated really really badly. Not saying I could beat every one out there, but those anywhere near my skill level I certainly could. I use Donkey Kong

I beat one guy so bad, he actually switched to Olimar he was so scared. MK's recovery is good but can still be gimped easily. Whenever he up-b's I just forward-air him and spike him. Game over.

It seems more like you love bragging about how good you are when you're really not. Before you try to throw this back at me, I never brag about myself and I do not consider myself that great of a player, I just try very hard. Thank you.

You're right, I only base it off of tournament results and what other members of tournament play say about me and my win ratio. I am absolutely awful. In fact, don't listen to anything else I have to say. (/end sarcasm)

I'm glad to hear you try hard. I encourage your motivation. I just wish you'd be more open minded.

 

[roy is my boi]

I can defeat blissey's 100% of the time with him using only Psychic as an offensive move. I use him as my blissey counter.

TEACH ME.
Srsly.

 

[UltimaScout]

TEACH ME.
Srsly.

I pm'd you

 

[roy is my boi]

It is all clear know. I understand the meaning of lyfe =P
Srsly.

 

[Pink Reaper]

You're right, I only base it off of tournament results and what other members of tournament play say about me and my win ratio. I am absolutely awful. In fact, don't listen to anything else I have to say. (/end sarcasm)

Your past wins and results mean nothing. The metagame is ever changing, so it doesn't really matter how "Good you were" if you can't keep up. Using your team from "UltimaScout's interesting team is actually winning" as an example, you obviously haven't played the DPP metagame alot recently(like you've stated) In general that team would fail because the absolute most common leads nowadays are taunt/trick leads which could incapacitate 5 of the 6 pokemon on your team. You seem to think that because you did well in the past you'll do well in the future by playing the same way, but you wont. I don't care how your exeggutor used to beat Blissey with Psychic, it wont work anymore with every Blissey packing SpDef up the *** and either Flamethrower or Ice Beam. Stop pretending your play style is perfect and your knowledge is on another level. By your own admission you haven't played in the DPP metagame for very long so you have no right to say you understand it better than those of us who have been. Hell, you stated that Milotic is a common lead. MILOTIC! And then you go so far as to say TTar, the 2nd most common lead in the game right now is not that common. That's so wrong its disturbing. Im sure you do have skill, but as of right now alot of what you say is just wrong. I'd be more than glad to help you as I spend alot of time studying and testing in the DPP metagame, but only if you stop acting like an *** and start admitting you're not the greatest thing since Melee.

 

[UltimaScout]

Your past wins and results mean nothing. The metagame is ever changing, so it doesn't really matter how "Good you were" if you can't keep up. Using your team from "UltimaScout's interesting team is actually winning" as an example, you obviously haven't played the DPP metagame alot recently(like you've stated) In general that team would fail because the absolute most common leads nowadays are taunt/trick leads which could incapacitate 5 of the 6 pokemon on your team. You seem to think that because you did well in the past you'll do well in the future by playing the same way, but you wont. I don't care how your exeggutor used to beat Blissey with Psychic, it wont work anymore with every Blissey packing SpDef up the *** and either Flamethrower or Ice Beam. Stop pretending your play style is perfect and your knowledge is on another level. By your own admission you haven't played in the DPP metagame for very long so you have no right to say you understand it better than those of us who have been. Hell, you stated that Milotic is a common lead. MILOTIC! And then you go so far as to say TTar, the 2nd most common lead in the game right now is not that common. That's so wrong its disturbing. Im sure you do have skill, but as of right now alot of what you say is just wrong. I'd be more than glad to help you as I spend alot of time studying and testing in the DPP metagame, but only if you stop acting like an *** and start admitting you're not the greatest thing since Melee.

Haha, wow... Mad hatred.

Ok so... where do I start. Blissey was used as a SP Def wall back when I played, and she would commonly run with Seismic Toss or Ice Beam as an offensive move. That is the exact Blissey I counter with my Exeggutor. Don't knock that which you don't understand.

Trick teams I find are more common now-a-days. I have run into 1 person who actually used taunt and it didn't really help them. Trick is rather annoying at least with the team listed in my other thread. However, that is not a team I'd use in a "real" match. I'm running lots of different pokes to see how they all fare in this new playstyle. To say the game is so different than what I remember is wrong. Trick is more common yes. There were a bunch of new pokes I didn't recognize when I first saw them (skymin) for example. Scizor is actually used now, but he's still not that good. He was only really good in GSC, assuming you didn't run sporetrodes (thank you if you understand what I mean).

I have had 1 person have a t-tar lead. It was choicebanded. I didn't even think people used that anymore and it killed 1 of my pokes before I realized it was banded and ***** it. He can't OHKO a dusknoir with crunch otherwise.

I started that "interesting team" thread because it was just that, an interesting team and I thought it amusing I was winning after a year off with such a strange team. I didn't say "UltimaScout's **** team of ultimate sodomy".

There is no perfect player / team / strategy. Everything has flaws and a counter. However, based on play experience etc (which saying my past exp means nothing is dead wrong. Just like my melee experience makes me good in brawl, which it does) I can say that even when faced with a losing situation I am more likely to overcome it and turn it into a winning one than my opponent. Some things are luck based, but usually those are the things that would cause me to lose a match... not win. My ability to adapt through all the versions of the game etc is why I was considered one of, if not the best last year. I use unorthodox strategies and mindgames which is why I win so much. I pray on people's lack of knowledge.

"When people lose to me they know why they got *****... when people lose to you they are like... 'WTF, how did my Salamence just get walled to death by a Crobat?!' and have to go look **** up" ~ UmbreonMow (talking to me)

 

[Niiro]

DAM, nice Focus Punching Roy. Lol @

ph3artehph1r3 switched in Banette (lvl 100 Banette ?).
HonkHonk used Earthquake.
Banette lost 90% of its health.
Banette used Trick.
Banette obtained Focus Sash!
HonkHonk obtained Choice Band!
The sandstorm rages.
Banette is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Banette lost 6% of its health.
---
ph3artehph1r3 switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ?).
HonkHonk used Ice Shard.
It's super effective!
Flygon lost 100% of its health.
ph3artehph1r3's Flygon fainted.
The sandstorm rages.

2 gud

 

[roy is my boi]

Lol, thx niiro. I thought he was stuck on EQ, so I thought it was safe to bring in my Flygon. No Johns.
Srsly.

 

[UltimaScout]

Lol, thx niiro. I thought he was stuck on EQ, so I thought it was safe to bring in my Flygon. No Johns.
Srsly.

Come to think of it.. he should've been stuck on EQ. Whenever I get hit with that on Shoddy it locks me to a move.

Shoddy has tons of dumb glitches. I found out that if I use healblock... die... pull in someone else, and try to roost... it will say my opponent tries to roost and failed... ;___;

 

[0RLY]

Standard. There you go again not thinking.

I was showing you the standard so that you could see that Protect is merely an option and not required on every set. Think a little when you read.

People that are good enough do. You think M2K shouldn't be cocky in smash? GG

He shouldn't. He got his ass whooped by Mango.

You're right they do help. Again, do not rely on just them. As Morpheus once said... "I can only show you the door."

So I assume you can gtfo the Poke Center subforum of smashboards and be perfectly happy, right? No, I didn't think so. After all, you have me to keep you company.

According to that quote, you're implying that someone is telling you that you can use a forum to become smarter, but you're deciding not to because you think you shouldn't rely on them.

To be perfectly honest, without regard to the Platinum version... D/P and before, there was no more experienced player than myself. That's why I'm playing again after a year off. Reclaim what's mine.

If there's anything I hate more than beggars, it's braggarts.

If your opponent does "A" you are NEVER required to do "B". Which that belief as being tossed around, it should prove my points. Now in some cases if you take the true meaning of "rock, paper, scissors", "A" will always beat out "B". Given certain situations that would be correct. Which is why most choose to switch. A lot of people mistake certain situations as too grim though and don't learn all aspects of the game before calling something a shoe in for one side.

Your Weavile vs. Garchomp

Garchomp's options:
A) Swords Dance
B) Dragon Claw (ohko)
C) Switch out

Your options:
A) Pursuit
B) Ice Punch
C) Switch out

You don't know what item the Garchomp is holding, your Weavile is NOT Focus Sashed. Whenever your opponent makes a decision, you must be able to make the appropriate choice or else you get *****.

Yes, I was the one using Exeggutor. There was actually a whole joke made around it called "The Wrath of Exeggutor". Ask JessiahTEG about it if you can't figure it out. Exeggutor is one of my favorite pokemon, so naturally I've learned to make him effective. I can defeat blissey's 100% of the time with him using only Psychic as an offensive move. I use him as my blissey counter.

According to roy is my boi, you're telling the truth. However, you should include your whole strategy so that people who didn't see the words "as an offensive move", don't think that you're an idiot. If you're one of those people who don't reveal your "strategies", then maybe that's why you don't like relying on forums. You can never hurt yourself by helping others learn.

If you don't understand why a strategy is good, don't assume something ales the trainer. Try to learn from them and show a little respect. I am giving others a chance to figure it out prior to answering how it all went down.

ales?

You never told me your strategy, so there's nothing to understand. No one can understand how an Exeggutor would defeat a Blissey or a Heatran without an explanation. An explanation you failed to provide. I would show all the respect in the world if you provided a strategy that doesn't rely on luck to work. If you want to give others a chance to figure it out, at least tell us that you're doing so, but especially not within this horrid wall of text.

Wow, struck a nerve did I? You either main MK or just suck at fighting him.

You can clearly see under my avatar and in my sig that I main Samus.

I know why he's good, but my statement was saying how people that don't understand all that, and just spam tornado. It's the same thing that you're bringing to the table about Pokemon.

That's like saying a noob at Pokemon can win using a team of only Garchomp using only Outrage. You need more than that to win, as does Meta Knight.

However, every MK player I've faced in tournament I've defeated really really badly. Not saying I could beat every one out there, but those anywhere near my skill level I certainly could. I use Donkey Kong

You don't live next to M2K and Montage like I do. I second DK (._.").

I beat one guy so bad, he actually switched to Olimar he was so scared. MK's recovery is good but can still be gimped easily. Whenever he up-b's I just forward-air him and spike him. Game over.

Okay, just because you switch to Olimar doesn't mean you're scared. People switch to MK, Snake, or D3 when they're scared. You can't Fair spike him if he auto-sweetspots the ledge. Also, that fair would have to be extremely well timed; MK has multiple jumps so he can stall to mess up your timing. MK has many recovery options, so your chances are very low. DK's fair has a lot of start-up lag, so you would actually need to use the attack before MK even starts his shuttle loop. MK can also reverse his shuttle loop so that your spacing on your fair gets messed up. This is all theory. If your MK opponents recover using only shuttle loop, take all the time in the world to spike him to your heart's content. Blah... writing about MK messes up my grammar. /johns

You're right, I only base it off of tournament results and what other members of tournament play say about me and my win ratio. I am absolutely awful. In fact, don't listen to anything else I have to say. (/end sarcasm)

Oh, you're being sarcastic? ... hmm... wait? That just turns your stubborn modesty into... more bragging.

I'm glad to hear you try hard. I encourage your motivation. I just wish you'd be more open minded.

I wish I didn't have to type so much. Try changing your wording so that you don't sound so.... braggy. Then maybe I can have a conversation with you without having to 1) *facepalm* every 3 seconds, 2) type a wall of text, 3) sound so insulting.

Come to think of it.. he should've been stuck on EQ. Whenever I get hit with that on Shoddy it locks me to a move.

Shoddy has tons of dumb glitches. I found out that if I use healblock... die... pull in someone else, and try to roost... it will say my opponent tries to roost and failed... ;___;

It's not a glitch. Banette tricked Mamoswine AFTER I used Earthquake, meaning I was able to choose the new move to be locked into. I wasn't holding Choice Band as I was attacking, therefore no move is locked.

Haha, wow... Mad hatred.

Ok so... where do I start. Blissey was used as a SP Def wall back when I played, and she would commonly run with Seismic Toss or Ice Beam as an offensive move. That is the exact Blissey I counter with my Exeggutor. Don't knock that which you don't understand.

I don't care how your exeggutor used to beat Blissey with Psychic, it wont work anymore with every Blissey packing SpDef up the *** and either Flamethrower or Ice Beam. Stop pretending your play style is perfect and your knowledge is on another level.

Pink Reaper has demonstrated his knowledge of Pokemon more often than I could count. You have yet to make a single intelligent comment.

Trick teams I find are more common now-a-days.

Trick Pokemon, not Trick teams. You'll get mistaken for talking about Trick ROOM teams.

I have run into 1 person who actually used taunt and it didn't really help them. Trick is rather annoying at least with the team listed in my other thread. However, that is not a team I'd use in a "real" match. I'm running lots of different pokes to see how they all fare in this new playstyle. To say the game is so different than what I remember is wrong. Trick is more common yes. There were a bunch of new pokes I didn't recognize when I first saw them (skymin) for example. Scizor is actually used now, but he's still not that good. He was only really good in GSC, assuming you didn't run sporetrodes (thank you if you understand what I mean).

Yeah, I understand whatcha mean. Scizor has always been used and is OU to prove it. The game is the same, but the metagame is different. Please understand that. If you can't, don't even bother replying to this.

I have had 1 person have a t-tar lead. It was choicebanded. I didn't even think people used that anymore and it killed 1 of my pokes before I realized it was banded and ***** it. He can't OHKO a dusknoir with crunch otherwise.

Play more ladder matches and the number of Ttars you see will soar.

I started that "interesting team" thread because it was just that, an interesting team and I thought it amusing I was winning after a year off with such a strange team. I didn't say "UltimaScout's **** team of ultimate sodomy".

There is no perfect player / team / strategy. Everything has flaws and a counter. However, based on play experience etc (which saying my past exp means nothing is dead wrong. Just like my melee experience makes me good in brawl, which it does) I can say that even when faced with a losing situation I am more likely to overcome it and turn it into a winning one than my opponent. Some things are luck based, but usually those are the things that would cause me to lose a match... not win. My ability to adapt through all the versions of the game etc is why I was considered one of, if not the best last year. I use unorthodox strategies and mindgames which is why I win so much. I pray on people's lack of knowledge.

Did you mean "prey" in that last sentence? If you didn't that means that you rely on your opponents to be stupid in order to win. /ignores your bragging

"When people lose to me they know why they got *****... when people lose to you they are like... 'WTF, how did my Salamence just get walled to death by a Crobat?!' and have to go look **** up" ~ UmbreonMow (talking to me)

A Salamence that needs to learn how to DD or Draco Meteor.

 

[Zook]

May I request that Ultima and ORly have a shoddy battle? I feel compelled to side with ORly, but I'm not too sure.

 

[roy is my boi]

you guys better not get my thread locked /complaining
LOL
Srsly.
EDIT: NO ZOOK! IT IS ALL ABOUT ME AND MY TEAM BEATING 0RLY

 

[0RLY]

That team was for Project: Earth. It needs improvements. My real team, is much better. I just 6-0'd roy is my boi with it earlier today. I wonder if he would admit to his loss....?

 

[roy is my boi]

That team was for Project: Earth. It needs improvements. My real team, is much better. I just 6-0'd roy is my boi with it earlier today. I wonder if he would admit to his loss....?

Vids or it didn't happen
Royismyboi>0RLy
Srsly.

 

[0RLY]

Vids or it didn't happen
Royismyboi>0RLy
Srsly.

You want me to record a shoddy match? You're insane. That Raikou is going to haunt your dreams at night. I'll make you never want to use Suicune again! >=D roy is my boi is cool

 

[roy is my boi]

You want me to record a shoddy match? You're insane. That Raikou is going to haunt your dreams at night. I'll make you never want to use Suicune again! >=D roy is my boi is cool

lol i hate all Raikous now. They are right up there with the Brelooms and Garchomps

 

[sonofthesky]

My ****ing god, Orly pwns this thread.

Praise.

 

[UltimaScout]

Lots of stuff

Wow, so you said way too much for me to respond to every single idea.

#1 If you read in my other thread, after "Umbreon" the moderator posted, I showed a fight where I walled a Salamence with my Crobat, and he was spamming Draco Meteor. Crobat is best suited as a wall.

jolly nature
252 sp defense
16 speed
240 Health

That gives him 330 speed, just enough to outspeed any salamence w/o DD.

Crobat has the best typing in the game for switch ins. Immune to ground, poison (effects), removes toxic spikes, 4x resistant to bug/fighting/grass and 2x resistant to Poison. I find that a lot of salamences are special oriented. I used to run a physical defense crobat because i faced lots of heracross & infernapes. Did you know if a Heracross 252 atk and adamant CC's a crobat with def 252 it cannot do more than 57 dmg w/o a crit? Fun times.

As far as the Exeggutor story, I was giving people the opportunity to respond which nobody did so sure I'll tell you... actually I don't want to make this longer than I need to. I will just forward it to you in a PM.

Now the M2K thing... #1 Mango beat him at Pound3... let's count all the other times M2K has ***** him... oh yeah, a lot.

I do live "right" next to M2K thanks. I would probably **** u in smash. He is like an hour drive away from me. I usually take him to tournaments. Ask him about pokemon. When someone asks him who does he know that's good at pokemon who can teach them... who does he refer them to...? Hm, let me know what he says about that one.

Lastly, your weaville scenario... I would never have a weaville with that moveset so it doesn't apply. Unless you want to be put in uncomfortable situations. In theory you could just take the chance and hope he's not sash'd, but usually they are either sash'd or scarf'd... so in that particular scenario you would be forced to switch.

P.S. Yes I did mean prey. I wasn't paying attention.

 

[Zook]

This is really, REALLY ********.

ORLy, stop trying to argue with Ultima. You can't win.

Ultima, please shut up. We don't care how good you are at everything in the world, and how you believe ORly sucks. You aren't going anywhere. That bit about when you were talking about how your DK was so **** that you make babies cry or something like that was really ********, be it sarcasm or not. I couldn't tell.

But really Ultima, no one cares.

Also, you CAN use mindgames in Pokemon. Take a really long time to make your move, and 80% of the time your opponent will predict a switch-in.

 

[roy is my boi]

This is really, REALLY ********.

ORLy, stop trying to argue with Ultima. You can't win.

Ultima, please shut up. We don't care how good you are at everything in the world, and how you believe ORly sucks. You aren't going anywhere. That bit about when you were talking about how your DK was so **** that you make babies cry or something like that was really ********, be it sarcasm or not. I couldn't tell.

But really Ultima, no one cares.

Also, you CAN use mindgames in Pokemon. Take a really long time to make your move, and 80% of the time your opponent will predict a switch-in.

I care. I <3 Smash drama XD
Srsly.

 

[UltimaScout]

This is really, REALLY ********.

ORLy, stop trying to argue with Ultima. You can't win.

Ultima, please shut up. We don't care how good you are at everything in the world, and how you believe ORly sucks. You aren't going anywhere. That bit about when you were talking about how your DK was so **** that you make babies cry or something like that was really ********, be it sarcasm or not. I couldn't tell.

But really Ultima, no one cares.

Also, you CAN use mindgames in Pokemon. Take a really long time to make your move, and 80% of the time your opponent will predict a switch-in.

Nobody has to care.

I never said you can't use mindgames in pokemon... that's ALL pokemon is, is a huge mindgame. Hence why I win

He doesn't make babies cry, he ***** their mothers to make sure they get brought into this world.

 

[Zook]

Nobody has to care.

In that case, take it to PMs. Or IM. Or something. Really, this flame war isn't necessary.

I never said you can't use mindgames in pokemon... that's ALL pokemon is, is a huge mindgame. Hence why I win

That was directed towards Orly.

...Luck is mindgame?

 

[UltimaScout]

In that case, take it to PMs. Or IM. Or something. Really, this flame war isn't necessary.



That was directed towards Orly.

...Luck is mindgame?

Luck isn't... pokemon isn't about luck. Well luck is how I lose at it.