The Stoopid Unikorn
Spiciest of Guacamoles
You forgot Marth and Falcon (and I think I forgot some too, but I'm not sure)
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McLeodGaming Direct Recap
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BrosUnited
Smash Journeyman
Yeah I know. Pokemon was just the first thing that popped in my head.
warriorman222
Smash Ace
It simply means you're both right. If someone won't play a game because it has a character they don't like in it, then with that logic, unless you're a big Nintendo fan, they shouldn't be touching Smash with a 52mile pole. Or any other game with any one playable character they don't like.
GangsterPuff
Smash Journeyman
"Classic is tacking on fake difficulty with unnecessary "perils". All I want are tough opponents, not ****ing handicaps."
Basically summed up Sm4sh single player mode as a whole.
"Bowser is already in official Smash Bros. games. I'll play those."
It's a usable Melee bowser, what's not to like about him?
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GangsterPuff
Smash Journeyman
I second that thought. Flash2 megaman is a lot more fun to play.
The Stoopid Unikorn
Spiciest of Guacamoles
I can imagine that!
Random SSF2 Dev: "Hey guys! MegaMan is in Smash now! How about using this moveset for our game instead of the one we worked for weeks, if not months, to pull off?"
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Gidy
Smash Lord
He feels unfinished in Smash 4 imo.
warriorman222
Smash Ace
Yeah, but at least he's viable in Smash 4. I'm fine with SSF2 MM having the laggiest (And Ichigo and Dk are in that game), almost weakest attacks, if he had recovery that didn't let you get OHKOed by a fireball. Like who thinks it's fair giving half the cast better recovery than him, then making him die on one hit without any way to save himself unlike Snake? Oh, and not letting him sweetspot the ledge, giving him no way to get down safely and forcing him to cancel with a laggy aerial?
I'd make one change to Mega Man, and give him Rush Coil. or maybe the SSB4 Beat.
The Stoopid Unikorn
Spiciest of Guacamoles
I agree, Mega Man's recovery is worse than it should be, but maybe they fixed it for the Beta.......
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Usahi
Smash Rookie
I suppose they're there because SSF2 is supposed to be a dream Smash Bros. (Not going to lie, I can get used to playing as Naruto and Sora)
Isn't that a bit of a trivial reason not to give it a try though? It looks pretty fun
warriorman222
Smash Ace
Probably not. At that one Desk fight, MM got meteored by KK Goku, left hitstun before reaching the blastline, and just kept falling.
The Stoopid Unikorn
Spiciest of Guacamoles
Getting meteored means nothing, mate
Many characters have good recoveries that can be gimped by meteors
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warriorman222
Smash Ace
I meant he just kept falling. He didn't even try. It obviously isn't guaranteed info, but unfortunately it's something. I also want to say I hope I'm wrong, because the amount of people wanting his recovery fixed is astounding, I think they would have noticed.
The Stoopid Unikorn
Spiciest of Guacamoles
The damage was never shown, and maybe the one playing Mega Man decided not to do the UpB
Either that, or spikes are confirmed
warriorman222
Smash Ace
Yes, he may have just decided not to, or maybe he couldn't. We don't know until the game comes out or some Apex footage makes it obvious.
And aren't there already spikes? up to 0.8a there were no meteor canceling so everything spiked. But Link's tipper dtilt, Zelda's dair and Falcon's chest dair hitbox all spike.
The Stoopid Unikorn
Spiciest of Guacamoles
You know a spike means insta-KO in the air, right?
That explains why Mega Man didn't do his UpB
warriorman222
Smash Ace
Spike isn't insta KO in the air. It means you can't meteor cancel, and you take full knockback like any other move, combined with fallspeed and gravity to increase it further. For example, meteor canceling was removed form Sm4sh so all moves that hit downward are spikes. In SSF2, most downward hitting moves can be jumped or Up-Bed out of of after some frames, but do it too early and you have to wait like another 45 frames before trying again. Kaio-Ken fair isn't a spike, and whether or not it's changed, it means that either MM couldn't recover, or didn't bother trying cause he wouldn't make it.
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Where's Mewtwo? I don't care about Issac or Bowser. Give us characters that actually mean something, not characters that are pointless and should remain assist trophies/bosses/Super Smash Bros. Crusade Characters.
Starkiller2
Smash Cadet
In SSF2, if MM gets hit out of his up-b (he doesn't cancel it, and he only gets hit once) then he doesn't get it back. It's a huge hole, but considering the raw distance it gives he can make it back from extremely far away with it. It's sort of like Villager's recovery in sm4sh: extremely high vertical but an obvious weakness.
In addition, MM is definitely viable for play in SSF2. He isn't a super strong character like MK, but he's still viable.
Finally, I prefer MM's moveset in SSF2 to MM's in sm4sh because 1) He actually has a complete moveset (I'm looking at you, neutral attack), and 2) He introduces a mechanic not seen in smash until Shulk (the ability to switch abilities, however Shulk changes stats not an entire move).
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warriorman222
Smash Ace
MM does not go extremely high and Black mage goes higher. Many character go just almost as high as MM just as fast, and be able to grab the edge. MM cannot and can't even cancel out of it, so if someone tries to gimp you, just fastfall into the abyss, nothing you can do at all.
Also villager can be hard to Gimp because there are few moves that won't hit Villager since he'll jump straight up into your move, likely beyond the pint where it could spike.
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You're already getting Mewtwo as DLC for Sm4sh. Is that not enough for you?
And Isaac is a highly requested character for Smash Bros. so this is the next best thing if he never makes into an official game.
RadicalMongoose
Smash Apprentice
I don't see why it matters, it's not like anyone's forcing you to play as them, Like I get that it may be a bit jarring at first, but if the rest of the game is good I don't see how it matters.