Wind Owl
Smash Lord
She can't combo nearly as well as anyone else, and her recovery blows.
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Daedatheus
Smash Lord
Also, she has the slowest dodge roll in the game, making it extremely easy to chase, and a very slow grab which is easy to avoid.
She has a better recovery than Link, Ness, DK, Fox, Falcon and Yoshi... imo its not bad
TehBo49
Smash Ace
I can see it argued for Captain Falcon, Fox, & maybe Yoshi, but I disagree with Ness & DK. Both get more distance & are less predictable.
otg
Smash Master
Too bad Ness's recovery has tons landing lag, is impossible to sweetspot consistently and is easily intercepted afterwards.
Winston
Smash Master
otg
Smash Master
Ah very true, but sometimes Ness will be waaaay too loo or way far out for a safe interception, which is why I didn't list it. A lot of the time when I recover with him, I try to place my self with the Pk thunder so that it's too risky for someone to come out and hit me (like being way far away from the edge). Most of the time I just let Ness come to me and punish him.
U are sooo wrong. Samus can recover more distance than the two, plus hes the most unpredictable and his up+b has high priority
Zantetsu
Smash Master
Samus is a chick.
Superstar
Smash Champion
One wrong statement makes the whole sentence false. At least that's what my English teacher said.
Cut him some slack he speaks spanish.... So many grammar nazis..... My Brazilian friend is awful with pronouns....
Zantetsu
Smash Master
Mixing genders has nothing to do with grammar.
Superstar
Smash Champion
I speak spanish. Sure I butcher the language, but I have a very hispanic name. And no it's not Gonzalez.
It's a more humor related correction anyways.
It's a more humor related correction anyways.
crap I always do this mistake his/her
Btw i speak three languages and its easy to messup lol
TehBo49
Smash Ace
Maybe more vertical distance than DK, but that's about it. Her up-b has about as much vertical height as Captain Falcon's & even less horizontal distance. Other than that, she has her bombs which can only be effectively implemented if she starts recovering from a high point.
Even though her up-b has high priority, it's easy to intercept her before she can use it. Both Ness & DK have (partial) invincibility during their up-bs.
Samus is so floaty. he can recovery from a long way back, plus she can use her flame attack to protect herself. And you can do a lot of different recovery moves with her, mixing the flame attack with the bombs, with DK and Ness you can't. I think you don't know how to use her recovery properly.
TehBo49
Smash Ace
Ness & DK can come back from farther away & are partially invincible during their up-bs. Samus can protect herself with fairs & bombs but she isn't invincible. Like I said, Samus' options are limited if she is hit off at a lower angle while DK & Ness aren't affected as much. Either way, this is a pointless argument that's off topic so I'll just drop it now.
Distance is not the only important thing. See this to see why Samus recovery is better than DK and Ness.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178163
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
wrong, samus can come back from farthur, use down b! and your telling me samus' 3rd jump doesnt have as much priority as DK's or Ness???....for shame!
TehBo49
Smash Ace
If she's starts from higher up. If she gets by Fox's dsmash or something with similar trajectory, she won't be able to use her bombs as much. Ness & DK (partially) are invincible during their up-bs; Samus isn't. I never said hers had less priority.
Ness is easy as hell to intercept unless he sweetspots, and DK is only invincible in his arms and easy as hell to edgehog
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
DKs only inviniable on the sides...try a apike from above and see how invincable he is
The Smash God Of 64
Smash Rookie
sorry guys but i am almost certain that 100% of you specialize at brawl or melee. i, however, have been stuck on the classic one forever. i played a couple matches of melee and despised the way the handling changed so drastically, plus i'm a nessy and he sucked balls in melee. so the 64 smash is my specialty, it is the lone video game i play, period. i'm not familiar with yall's terms (tier lists) or whatever because i'm new to this forum. i've stuck strictly to playing the game knowing it back and forth(the only reason i joined is a small hope of maybe finding competition in my area, i have been utterly bored being so stinkin awesome at this game, i don't really care to argue or show videos of random nonsense, IM JUST STARVING FOR COMPETITION ). anyways, from my observation i'm assuming that tier list is basically just ranking the characters, am i right? let me start with saying i can beat probably anyone with any of the given characters because i just know the game so well. but being able to play as any character and still smash regardless, there are still preferences on which make it easier to kick butt. it seems like 75% of the people here think ness is overrated. that would be heard by people that don't quite understand his full potential. since he handles a lot differently than the other characters, you get those complainers that say he is slow in the air and all that random jazz. when actually that is what makes him so favorable to me. to play as ness, your aim, timing and strategic placement has to be spot on. the way he moves in the air actually gives him an advantage. sometimes being quick isn't everything. sometimes gently flowing through the air in awkward directions gives you the perfect defense and offense to disorient opponents. another plus, all his moves have a high damage to them, but once again most of them have to be timed right or you're screwed. if there happens to be anyone on this planet that is as good as me with ness, then my advice to you to have the greatest chance of beating them would be to use Fox. he clashes and counters the best with ness and can be a pest for him. not that a fox has beaten me yet. but they always have been the toughest against ness. but then if i have the option to play kirby or pikachu against him, then it's not much of a problem. so if that is the case this would be mine.
Top
Ness
Pikachu
Kirby
Fox
High
Falcon
Mario
Luigi
Low
Yoshi
Jigglypuff
Link
Bottom
Samus
DK
Top
Ness
Pikachu
Kirby
Fox
High
Falcon
Mario
Luigi
Low
Yoshi
Jigglypuff
Link
Bottom
Samus
DK
Zantetsu
Smash Master
I love how this guy above me just thinks we all suck and he's the king of 64. Sorry dude but majority of us specialize in 64 and you seem way to cocky. Unless you're Isai (which you're not) then you shouldn't be calming yourself as the best. It's just going to get you flamed at. Just trust me when I say you are NOT the best at this game. You can forgot that right now.
As for your list...
DK is WAAY to low, Ness is too high, Luigi is too high, yoshi is too low, and puff is too low. Nice try though >_>
As for your list...
DK is WAAY to low, Ness is too high, Luigi is too high, yoshi is too low, and puff is too low. Nice try though >_>
Danger
Smash Cadet
Play online and get your *** rocked. I guarantee someone is better than you with Ness.
Smash God, you fail on so many levels. You come in here claiming like you're the undefeated, no-one-can-beat-me arbiter of all things Smash when you really are just some random player that has probably never played anyone other than Level 9 CPUs. Why don't you back up your "amazing" abilities by playing a few matches over p2p instead of writing baseless claims over an internet message board? Put up or shut up.
killa k
Smash Ace
lol u dont sound very difficult to beat. lol @ list
Winston
Smash Master
I wish I was the smash god of 64...
killa k
Smash Ace
u must shorthop then >:O. lol j/k
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
You maybe the god of smash but you sure cant read well can you?
Daedatheus
Smash Lord
Smash God guy must be either a joker or a complete fool. You can tell just by how he talks that he's probably not too good at this game - that, or as I said, he's a joker trying to annoy people/TROLL.
The Smash God Of 64
Smash Rookie
dang people. i seriously wasn't trying to light a fire. wow. you know just cause you spend your whole day on a smash forum posting a hundred times about who knows what doesn't mean you can kick anyone's butt that focuses on only playing the game and just so happens to be new on the forum. but hey, now i know you guys are severely pride-sensitive and everyone thinks they got it. honestly i really just want to have some good fun challenging competition. hey, and i can admit when i'm wrong and so if there is a way that i can hook up a 64 controller and play online and it handles the same, then i'm definitely up for some battles and heck, if i get torn, then so be it, i'll know my place. but if i prove my worth, then i would appreciate if all those ignorant remarks be dismissed.
so lets start fresh...
my name is dallas. hi everyone. i really just joined because i love playing smash bros so much and i would like some challenges. if there is a way, i'm guessing through some adapter i can purchase, to play others online, then it'd be great if someone could inform me of what i have to do. thanks.
so lets start fresh...
my name is dallas. hi everyone. i really just joined because i love playing smash bros so much and i would like some challenges. if there is a way, i'm guessing through some adapter i can purchase, to play others online, then it'd be great if someone could inform me of what i have to do. thanks.
Hi im peek~
For online setup go here http://www.sitesled.com/members/myztek/index.html
For adapter info go here http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188448
Daedatheus
Smash Lord
Much better.
Our reaction wasn't about being pride-sensitive.
It was about you jumping in out of nowhere and telling us all "I'M THE BEST YOU CAN'T BEAT ME" for no reason than to just aggrandize yourself and submit an unsubstantiated opinion.
But, that stage is out of the way, so welcome to the forums
Sorry man, I main Ness too... and I thnk this is the best Ness player in the world... unless you prove you are better than him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8eKrDIAySQ
And no, Ness isnt the best....
Pikachu is better by far.
Winston
Smash Master
Your first post was so much more epic =(
Haha but this one is much less boneheaded, welcome to the forums.
By the way, it is very, very unlikely that someone who focuses only on playing the game and has never gone online to watch videos or read forums can compete with online players because
a). experience. In any skill-intensive activity, experience is quite important, why should smash be any different?
b). There's a large body of knowledge that has been amassed in smash and shared among forumgoers, and it's very unlikely that you've discovered any or all of this yourself.
Also, I'd advise not to dismiss what you see in some of the videos of high-level play as nonsense, as it's what you'll have to face - and eventually learn - if you want to compete.
Daedatheus
Smash Lord
Indeed.
My brother: "That combo stuff is so gay. It ruins the game. What's the point? There's no style to it. Ugh"
-OR-
"The game is so boring without items. Why would you play without items? It doesn't change how fair it is. You just can't handle the gameplay items produce."
Something like that.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
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