Match-up Rediscussion Export: Wario

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wario

​

Matchup:

45:55

General info:

Watch out for farts, obviously. Once it starts reaching the half charge, stay towards the middle to increase your chances of surviving the hit.

Uair and Fsmash are his other good kill moves. Ftilt is also can be nasty due to its range.

Dair is a very versatile move, so expect it to be used. Nair is also good. His aerial mobility really helps him avoid attacks.

Chomp has a deceptive amount of range and is essentially free damage if it lands, but if Wario misses, punish with AS or some other move with range.

This is one of those matches where getting the first kill really helps, but it isn't essential in order to win.

Wario beats Lucario IMO. With a solid enough lead, Wario can time him out on a lot of stages. I've talked to Lee Martin about it and we've played both sides of the matchup together, and I believe we both think catching Wario as Lucario is pretty hard. As for a number, 60:40 seems about right. 55:45 is the absolute best for Lucario, Wario definitely has a tangible advantage in this matchup.

fart *****
watch out for half waft, it's really ****ing fast, not sure what beats it

Dair beats full waft if you are above him
utilt beats Dair whe timed correctly
run away and space Fsmash, its effective
watch out for Uair and Fsmash, you will die to these earlier than you think
Edgeguard him when at all possible, make him dodge an aura sphere and footstool him
throw aura spheres in the way of him biking back

What to avoid:

We beat him in the air in terms of priority.

Fair and Nair are ****ing godsends in this MU omg.

I REALLY don't like Fsmash in this match-up.

I primarily use it to bait,punish landing lag, or set-up a wall.

most of these are bad/easy to get around as wario.

Uptilt and Ftilt are amazing anti airs for Full/Short hops respectively.

if Fsmash hits you far away don't try to run up and shield grab as he can sidestep/jump away before you can [although you can bait the Sidestep and grab him out of that, takes some timing tho]

for wario being an ungrabable god I really do get quite a few grabs VS him even Vs good warios <<
weird considering our grab range but whatever, Ircc we can get Upsmash if we GR him at the edge but I'm not sure.

This MU becomes dangerous at [assuming 8 Minutes]

6:30-6:10

5:00-4:40

3:30- 3:10

2:00-1:40

0:30-0:10 <- wario will just time you out by then most likely <<

that means he gets it 5 time at the most.

FC waft is 1:51.729 seconds

so after 1:50 seconds you can take a breather.

keep that eye on the cloooooooooooooooock.



Also YI is a very good stage for this MU as wario has trouble approaching us with the platform in the way,
and he doesn't have much space to run away.

if they don't ban it, you get FD ^_^.


I don't know this match-up too well personally... but I try to take a more reactionary playstyle VS wario.

How to win:

50:50.

shifts to lucario slight advantage with more knowledge of the MU and is wario slight advantage with no experience with the MU.

its a pain having to catch up to wario so don't lose that 1st stock.

I find this MU harder then snake if we die 1st....

^^
I would rather not be in his face when his fart is strong and powerful, instead I would back off and play more defensive (AS). Remember it would only takes one missed Fsmash or an other move with a long start up time and you would probably be sent flying.

Do you guys agree?

Helpful tips:

Don't lose the lead.

Wall with fair and tilts.

WATCH OUT FOR FART, KEEP THAT EYE ON THE TIMER.

more later.


I like to bring the game to his face because I don't want him to charge that fart.

its ok to retreat sometimes though

Stages:

Ask RT, Pictochat is bad. Lylat is too, Lee knows and will tell you that stage is less than favorable for Lucario.

I suggested 6/4 overall because the CP stages tend to favor Wario over Lucario, with Wario having the slight edge or going even on the neutrals.

oh and stages.

Yoshis Island
Final Destination
Smashville

keep it simple with little or no platforms.

Disclaimer: This thread is made for the sole purpose of keeping matchup discussing clean and organized. If people wish to discuss a past matchup, they may do so in this thread without cluttering the current discussion.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Just a warning, there wasn't a whole lot of information so I just went with what I could get.

 

[Pitbuller26]

I'll see if I can get a hold of Stauffy, since he's extremely good at this matchup.

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

According to Steam if he hits our shield with an FSmash we get an FSmash on him.

Wario loves to shieldpoke with DAir and he can Bite us if we stay in our shield too long.

Too bad we don't get any grab release stuff on him...

 

[RT]

According to Steam if he hits our shield with an FSmash we get an FSmash on him.

I'm 90% sure that this is not true. I'm pretty sure Wario will get a guaranteed powershield and then can fsmash again, lol.

It's better to do something faster, like...grab/Force Palm grab or jab or something.

 

[Steam]

we do get a free Fsmash on him if he Fsmashes our shield. Then again, we can do a lot of nasty things to him if he Fsmashes our shield.

 

[D. Disciple]

According to Steam if he hits our shield with an FSmash we get an FSmash on him.

Wario loves to shieldpoke with DAir and he can Bite us if we stay in our shield too long.

Too bad we don't get any grab release stuff on him...

If they try to mash out we do, or grab them by the edge.

 

[Steam]

they can mash out and won't air release as long as they don't make any up or jump inputs iirc.