Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Dabuz]

I don't mean to interject in this conversation cause hell, I've been talking a lot, but here's a hypothetical for you:

BSP executes someone right now.

What do you feel are the problems with him doing this?

I would actually welcome such a move since I guarantee a D1 quick lynch without any possible substantial reasoning behind it is a scumtastic action to take.

I'm not too sure how much thought you put into this.

Being King makes you immune to a day lynch and gives you the ability to lynch another person. That's it. A temporary gain of status that can (and most likely) be transferred to another person the next day.

Theoretically speaking all of us can do whatever we want. That doesn't mean we can be any less accountable for own actions and responsible for deciphering other player's actions.

Your logic + odd usage of the term "town" in your statement makes me lean airhead town. Doubt scum would be that wreckless this early into the game.

Vote: Dabuz

How do you feel about my read on you and the reasoning behind it?

Well, you're obviously voting me despite have a town lean just to make some sort of point. IDK what that point is.

I'm glad you brought up the rules of being king. Yes, king gets 1 day of unlynchable judge status. After that day, he takes responsibility for his actions. It's early game, I want the king to feel comfortable doing W/E he wants since it helps for reads.

 

[No Hetero]

Soupy babe, help me put a little acute pressure on dabutt. Hopefully there are hard feelings based on The Wall, if you know what I'm saying. ;P Stick with steady and consistent pressure on one body at a time, kay? And preferably dabutt (or HarDull) since that's where things are hot and heavy right now. (Which says nothing about pursuing other... avenues, but keep your stick straight.)

Big Strong P, I think you asked me about how you're running the day? Votes provide a good persistent meter for other players' reads, let's keep that throughout the game. But decisive scumhunting should obviously trump that when it counts, sugar. More importantly, make sure you don't get so caught up in being a hunky leader that you forget to do your own recon.

Handjo, make sure you're reading for intent. I couldn't read you last game, to the point where I was still suspicious of you after you'd flipped town and until the game was over.

 

[No Hetero]

Dabutt, how does it help to encourage the King to do whatever they want if you're planning to turn around and use those actions for reads, actions you gave them permission to take?

 

[Dabuz]

Dabutt, how does it help to encourage the King to do whatever they want if you're planning to turn around and use those actions for reads, actions you gave them permission to take?

Well it probably doesn't encourage them, but W/E. The king has to be aware, even without it being said, that everyone will be looking to take his/ her actions in considerations for their reads. So I don't see how me saying that makes a difference.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Soup, I don't think what Bardull does [in regards to Kary & myself] is scummy. I'm 90% sure that Bardull is just trying to achieve something specific but it's w/e. I will ignore him until there's actually something coming from him that's scummy, which is what I advise everybody else to do as well.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't get the Bardull-edit thingy. If the original post can be viewed by anyone then it shouldn't be a problem to "soft-edit" posts like that.

I'm not sure how I feel about bardull at the moment. The edited quotes bothers me a lot actually. It isn't very conventional and feels like he uses it to hide things or subtly change his opinion without having to recant things outright. The changes haven't been too bad though, so I can't call it outright scummy as of yet.

Unless I miss something this should be kind of a reach, then.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I said treat this like a standard day, so I don't know where you're getting these 2 votes from.

I'm a doublevoter.

Also, you said that RVS is meant to open up discussion, but right now you're accusing of Bardull of "trying too hard". What do you want?

I wanted to see how he responds to that accusation before explaining some of the thought process behind it. I can still go on and do that if I want to, but had I done that already I wouldn't have been able to push a simple reaction.

Why did you refuse to out who you have on said list when Death Bear asked you? (specifically, he said "a chart of your care level") Since they're on your list, that would mean you'd end up questioning them in RVS sooner or later, right? What's the harm in telling us who you're thinking of looking at right now?

In my opinion, letting scum know who you're looking at, is not worth the benefit of letting town know who you're looking at. Just assume I'm looking at everyone; if I want you to pay attention to a slot, I'll let you know.

and it was a terrible question

Do you think my answer to this question is indicative of anything?

???

Kary, followup on this. Why would you want me killed at that point in the game?

Because you're scum?

 

[No Hetero]

Because you're [dabuz] scum?

 

[Handorin]

Handjo, make sure you're reading for intent. I couldn't read you last game, to the point where I was still suspicious of you after you'd flipped town and until the game was over.

Oh. I am. But like I said, I haven't figured out specific intent yet. Everything in space is a little mysterious though, isn't it? Won't always be able to read things.

I don't get the Bardull-edit thingy. If the original post can be viewed by anyone then it shouldn't be a problem to "soft-edit" posts like that.



Unless I miss something this should be kind of a reach, then.

I admit, it is sort of a reach. But it's definitely something to watch. It's a tool of concealment.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

After Skimming Kary and Bardull's interactions, looks like Kary just pressured for the sake of getting pressure, doesn't seem like he/ she had any reason to pressure.

that's all you got from that interaction?

do you agree that BarDulL was trying too hard to seem town?

think carefully about your answer.

Unvote; Vote: Death Bear

yes

What are you even doing this game?

*thumbsup*

be town, Soup

Soup, I don't think what Bardull does [in regards to Kary & myself] is scummy. I'm 90% sure that Bardull is just trying to achieve something specific but it's w/e. I will ignore him until there's actually something coming from him that's scummy, which is what I advise everybody else to do as well.

you should vote for dabuz

 

[Death Bear]

I'm so indecisive about my fake vote.

Rake, tell me your gameplan for this game and what style you're going to take this game. Right now I feel as if you haven't let yourself on for your intentions as you usually do. Are you letting yourself be more preserved this game?

Unvote

Like i said elsewhere i'm using my gut moreso in this game. Downside to this is there's no set time as to when i have a snap of an idea and decide to roll with it. That considered i'm also trying to keep my head up to speed with my gut reads and have substantiation as in past games I haven't been able to explain gut reads well at all, I know why i have them of course, but I have legitimate issues making it clear to others as to why. [see: kevmo in Utrik'd, Kantrip in BAM]

I would think that's a large reason as to why my intent is harder to pick up on this game.

I'm not sure if it's i'm being more preserved so much as i'm letting my gut do what it does and act on it then and hopefully i'm able to make my intentions clearer when I make that push.

As for my intentions right now, I'm kind of letting this "RVS"stage play out and seeing if anything interests me , speaking of,right now I'm comfortable with a Unvote/B].

Now i gotta ask you soup, who are you feeling right now ? I don't care if it's a "i just want to see a little more out of" or whatever, because i find myself at an impasse with my fake vote as well. I need an idea bounce for lack of more accurate terms.

Oh, I forgot to say. I'm loving death bears view on things. I'm pretty much in agreence with his views.

 

[Death Bear]

EBWOP : Unvote

 

[Death Bear]

I'm so indecisive about my fake vote.

Rake, tell me your gameplan for this game and what style you're going to take this game. Right now I feel as if you haven't let yourself on for your intentions as you usually do. Are you letting yourself be more preserved this game?

Unvote

Like i said elsewhere i'm using my gut moreso in this game. Downside to this is there's no set time as to when i have a snap of an idea and decide to roll with it. That considered i'm also trying to keep my head up to speed with my gut reads and have substantiation as in past games I haven't been able to explain gut reads well at all, I know why i have them of course, but I have legitimate issues making it clear to others as to why. [see: kevmo in Utrik'd, Kantrip in BAM]

I would think that's a large reason as to why my intent is harder to pick up on this game.

I'm not sure if it's i'm being more preserved so much as i'm letting my gut do what it does and act on it then and hopefully i'm able to make my intentions clearer when I make that push.

As for my intentions right now, I'm kind of letting this "RVS"stage play out and seeing if anything interests me , speaking of,right now I'm comfortable with a Unvote/B].

Now i gotta ask you soup, who are you feeling right now ? I don't care if it's a "i just want to see a little more out of" or whatever, because i find myself at an impasse with my fake vote as well. I need an idea bounce for lack of more accurate terms.

Oh, I forgot to say. I'm loving death bears view on things. I'm pretty much in agreence with his views.

 

[Death Bear]

what the frak double post ?

 

[Omni]

I would actually welcome such a move since I guarantee a D1 quick lynch without any possible substantial reasoning behind it is a scumtastic action to take.

Well, you're obviously voting me despite have a town lean just to make some sort of point. IDK what that point is.

I'm glad you brought up the rules of being king. Yes, king gets 1 day of unlynchable judge status. After that day, he takes responsibility for his actions. It's early game, I want the king to feel comfortable doing W/E he wants since it helps for reads.

Oh, we haven't played Mafia together before. Hi, I'm Omni. I'm more than willing to lynch a player if I think they're treading the dumb/scum line D1 (sometimes D2) because if you're town scum will just keep you alive and kill off someone more helpful. If you're scum, then we lynch scum. It's a win-win.

Regardless, I have a feeling that I'm not going to get much out of you. You don't seem to be putting a lot of thought behind your words. Even when introduced to logical reasoning, you still do not understand the concept of reliablity and what we lose if the King is not held accountable.

*scratches head*

I've been ignoring the rest of the thread, but I'll do a reread in a few and share my thoughts on whatever is going down between Bardull/Bear/Kary. I'll probably continue ignoring that initial vote from you, Soup, because I think we both know it didn't have any meaning behind it.

 

[Omni]

Soup, I don't think what Bardull does [in regards to Kary & myself] is scummy. I'm 90% sure that Bardull is just trying to achieve something specific but it's w/e. I will ignore him until there's actually something coming from him that's scummy, which is what I advise everybody else to do as well.

obv town post

 

[Omni]

Sup. Could I get examples? Bardull's a curious case for me.

Examples of what, sir?

 

[BarDulL]

Oh. I am. But like I said, I haven't figured out specific intent yet. Everything in space is a little mysterious though, isn't it? Won't always be able to read things.




I admit, it is sort of a reach. But it's definitely something to watch. It's a tool of concealment.

Vote: Handorin

 

[BarDulL]

V/LA today btw.

 

[Jerkus]

Not finished reading yet, but I'm on page 5 (40ppp) and Bardull, seriously, you are acting like a mental patient this game. Cool off.

Also, gut doesn't really like seeing BSP trying to turn this into a democracy. I would like my voice to be heard and I appreciate a king who will take good arguments into consideration when making a decision, but the King also needs to own the kill he's going to make. Rather than see BSP posting votecounts and asking people for advice, I would rather just see him actually scumhunt. Playing makeshift moderator gives him an excuse not to do that.

 

[BarDulL]

Not finished reading yet, but I'm on page 5 (40ppp) and Bardull, seriously, you are acting like a mental patient this game. Cool off.

No.

BSP doesn't know how to handle a gun as either alignment. A democracy in this scenario is the best route to go with. Quit being silly.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I admit, it is sort of a reach. But it's definitely something to watch. It's a tool of concealment.

It's there for everybody to be seen though, isn't it? Can't exactly call that "concealment".

Also, gut doesn't really like seeing BSP trying to turn this into a democracy. I would like my voice to be heard and I appreciate a king who will take good arguments into consideration when making a decision, but the King also needs to own the kill he's going to make. Rather than see BSP posting votecounts and asking people for advice, I would rather just see him actually scumhunt. Playing makeshift moderator gives him an excuse not to do that.

Completely agreed though I wish you would've kept that for yourself. If he is town he's going to have an even harder time making up his mind on how to approach this Day phase now. And if he's scum you just alerted him of something that he could've been held accountable of. Stuff like that is why I often refuse to go into detail and why I kept my previous comments on how BSP should run this Day sparse on purpose.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

BSP doesn't know how to handle a gun as either alignment.

Can you please stop posting until somebody asks you something?

 

[BarDulL]

Can you please stop posting until somebody asks you something?

Haven't you figured out where you stand with me yet?

 

[BarDulL]

BSP is a prince. Not a king. A prince. Keep that in mind.

 

[Jerkus]

A boy, pretending to be a wolf, pretending to be a king?

....

I just got a brilliant flavor idea for a new Kingmaker setup.

Completely agreed though I wish you would've kept that for yourself. If he is town he's going to have an even harder time making up his mind on how to approach this Day phase now. And if he's scum you just alerted him of something that he could've been held accountable of. Stuff like that is why I often refuse to go into detail and why I kept my previous comments on how BSP should run this Day sparse on purpose.

I figured that's what you were doing, and I can respect that point of view. I'd personally rather have this kind of thing laid out on the table so that we don't just end up executing townBSP later just because he was too polite for his own good. This way, he knows exactly what he's accountable for. If he's scum, he'll still slip on this, but it'll be something more concrete.

That's just my view though.

Being King makes you immune to a day lynch and gives you the ability to lynch another person. That's it. A temporary gain of status that can (and most likely) be transferred to another person the next day.

Theoretically speaking all of us can do whatever we want. That doesn't mean we can be any less accountable for own actions and responsible for deciphering other player's actions.

I'm having trouble understanding why you think wanting to observe players in their natural habitat means that those observed players will not be held accountable for what they do.

Just because I want to see BSP govern as he sees fit does not mean that I think what he decides to do will be inherently good.

[@Dabuz]
Your logic + odd usage of the term "town" in your statement makes me lean airhead town. Doubt scum would be that wreckless this early into the game.

Vote: Dabuz

Explain this, please.

Dabutt, how does it help to encourage the King to do whatever they want if you're planning to turn around and use those actions for reads, actions you gave them permission to take?

It's weird how we seem to be on opposite sides of this issue.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hi Circus.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Rake, you're doing that thing where I pinned you in G3S. You're over compensating your posts again. Give me a definitive stance and try to avoid that as I'm probably going to drill you if you keep doing it.

Like i said elsewhere i'm using my gut moreso in this game. Downside to this is there's no set time as to when i have a snap of an idea and decide to roll with it. That considered i'm also trying to keep my head up to speed with my gut reads and have substantiation as in past games I haven't been able to explain gut reads well at all, I know why i have them of course, but I have legitimate issues making it clear to others as to why. [see: kevmo in Utrik'd, Kantrip in BAM]

I would think that's a large reason as to why my intent is harder to pick up on this game.

I'm not sure if it's i'm being more preserved so much as i'm letting my gut do what it does and act on it then and hopefully i'm able to make my intentions clearer when I make that push.

As for my intentions right now, I'm kind of letting this "RVS"stage play out and seeing if anything interests me , speaking of,right now I'm comfortable with a Unvote/B].

Now i gotta ask you soup, who are you feeling right now ? I don't care if it's a "i just want to see a little more out of" or whatever, because i find myself at an impasse with my fake vote as well. I need an idea bounce for lack of more accurate terms.

Vig bardull
Lynch dabuz

That's my head canon right now. Not really anyone else who has posted has really interested me. I know Omni finally responded to some things though so let me get to that.

 

[Jerkus]

Hi, Soup.

Why do you want to lynch Dabuz?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup, I don't think what Bardull does [in regards to Kary & myself] is scummy. I'm 90% sure that Bardull is just trying to achieve something specific but it's w/e. I will ignore him until there's actually something coming from him that's scummy, which is what I advise everybody else to do as well.

I agree with this, only there's a fine line between it. The only way I can see Bardull being scum is him trying too hard as Kary pointed out or trying to fake content as I really can't pin a reason for Bardull to post what he has posted at all this game.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hi, Soup.

Why do you want to lynch Dabuz?

Don't like any of his posts, really. This might be a personal dislike (not personal personal) but what I feel is scummy is that I don't feel he has direction and he's just posting to post. You might say it's the same as bardull but only that bardull has made definitive stances even if the reasoning behind them is poor. Dabuz has not even done that and would rather play around with the king from what I've observed.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Examples of what, sir?

Why Bardull is airhead town compared to scum.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I figured that's what you were doing, and I can respect that point of view. I'd personally rather have this kind of thing laid out on the table so that we don't just end up executing townBSP later just because he was too polite for his own good.

I was talking about holding him accountable of his actions, not executing him for them later...

 

[Jdietz43]

JDietz, buddy with me this game. Let's get Dabuz killed. Maybe we can recruit a big shot power player to our cause, perhaps No Hetero. But that's much of a muchness.

The two of us, let's run this town.

What, why Dabuz in particular? I haven't seen him post anything noteworthy yet. And why ask me specifically off the bat before I'm even in the game yet. I know we've been buddy buddy in past games, but this just seems like a weird opening move.

 

[Jdietz43]

vote dabuz
fos everyone not voting

Ok, am I missing something in pre-game that had to do with dabuz? Or is this an RVS vote coincidence No Hetero

 

[Jerkus]

I was talking about holding him accountable of his actions, not executing him for them later...

But if we do hold him accountable for what he does, and ultimately end up deeming him scum...that would naturally lead to an execution, I would think.

My point is that I want to be able to hold him accountable for who he decides to kill and his reasoning behind that decision, not for how wishy-washy he's being. Dissecting the former is a lot easier than trying to discern whether or not the latter is careful-scum or polite-town. So it makes sense to me to be clear about the fact that BSP is going to have to own his kill anyway, so he can't say later "well, I was just following the majority. -clean hands-" I want to eliminate that option right now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I still don't agree, especially the idea that holding him accountable for something he does wrong having to lead to his execution 'naturally'. I think what we we can all agree with though is that BSP should start to take his own stances asap and not just ask questions.

 

[Jdietz43]

why were you taking me seriously in the first place?

actually, wait, I'm bored of talking to you.



because he's my scumbuddy and I want to openly buddy with him so that people don't think we're scum together.

no, wait. what sort of answer are you expecting?

aaaand i'm done

call me when you need a townie

Vote: Kary

I don't know what any of us were specifically looking for, but any answer would have been better than leaving...

 

[Death Bear]

i like Jerkus right now

 

[Death Bear]

drill me all you like soup btw, i don't see overcompensation in that post, you asked me what was up and i gave you the down low.