Marth's f-smash kill percentages

[Marp]

Tier list of who dies to a tippered uncharged marth foward smash in the middle of final destination with no/little VI. I'll probably do fair kill percentage or u-throw kill percentage later this week. (Which ever one is wanted more.


This was done in training mode, so no fresh move bonus or rage effect.



<~~Lightweights~~>

Puff 66 84
G&W 67 85
Fox 66 84
Meta k 68 86
Lil Mac 68 86
ZSS 68 86
Pikachu 68 86



<~~Former top tiers and zelda~~>

Rosalina 69 87
Falco 69 87
Kirby 69 87
Sheik 70 88
Olimar 70 88
Zelda 71 89



<$~~~# Grandmaster wafiu tier #~~~$>

Marth 73 91



<~~Wannabe wafiu tier~~>

Lucina 73 91



<~~Projectile ****ers tier~~>

Greninja 74 92
DHD 74 92
Diddy 74 92
Peach 74 92



<~~Spam projectiles/taunts tier~~>

Palutena 75 93
Sonic 75 93
Toon link 76 94
Robin 76 94
Ness 76 94
Wii Fit 76 94



<~~Average tier~~>

Pac-Man 77 95
Pit 77 95
Lucario 77 95
Dr. Mario 77 95
Dark Pit 77 95
Villager 77 95
Mario 77 95
Luigi 77 95



<~~Swords and fists tier~~>

Falcon 79 97
Bowser Jr. 79 102
Shulk 79 97
Link 79 97



<~~Low amount of friends tier~~>

Ike 80 98
Mega Man 80 98



<~~Heavy Punch stuff tier~~>

Rob 82 100
Ganon 82 100
Yoshi 82 100
Samus 83 101
Wario 83 101



<~~Plz die sooner tier~~>

King De3 84 102
Charizard 84 102
DK 90 108
Bowser 90 108



In conclusion Marth can kill fairly early, but only with a tipper. Actually, Marth's non tippered moves are pretty bad. In melee and project m, I can use non tippers to combo. However, in this game, anything not tippered has terrible knockback/hitstun. Tippered fair sends enemies about twice as far, and non tippered f-smash rarely kills below ~125-150.


Also, Marth's sword completely passes though a lot of characters, (meta knight also has this problem). It's like the opposite of melee, where Marth's sword hitbox was slightly bigger. I had the sword trail pass though yoshi's snout, and had a bunch of times where I saw the sword itself pass though harmlessly.

 

[Kinslayer]

I did pikachu up throw kill percent it is 159

Really not even worth going for it on light characters.lol

 

[Shaya]

Eh, grab kill options are pretty important to us, the immediate response to what we do is shielding, and we're the type of character who can maintain an advantage/momentum in their favour long enough to just play commitment-avoidance until, in some cases, up throw is how you'll end them.

Like, if you do not need to search for the kill and can then rely on a 7 frame OoS option to finish them, it's pretty important. In brawl we kinda had dolphin slash for that, but that move will not kill anyone or anything in this game, ever (as a 5 frame option), so literally our fastest kill option is grab, in neutral and out of shield.

Also is that 159, with DI while you're at 0% (or is it training mode?).
Rage amplifies the throw effects, and it's a shame that rage is probably essential to having up throw kill at a "reasonable threshold".

 

[Kinslayer]

Eh, grab kill options are pretty important to us, the immediate response to what we do is shielding, and we're the type of character who can maintain an advantage/momentum in their favour long enough to just play commitment-avoidance until, in some cases, up throw is how you'll end them.

Like, if you do not need to search for the kill and can then rely on a 7 frame OoS option to finish them, it's pretty important. In brawl we kinda had dolphin slash for that, but that move will not kill anyone or anything in this game, ever (as a 5 frame option), so literally our fastest kill option is grab, in neutral and out of shield.

Also is that 159, with DI while you're at 0% (or is it training mode?).
Rage amplifies the throw effects, and it's a shame that rage is probably essential to having up throw kill at a "reasonable threshold".

I made sure I wasn't in rage. I set myself and cpu to 90 then worked the cpu dummy up to 159 then up threw it

 

[Kinslayer]

Marth up throw kills (no rage list, tested on CPU in training mode, tested on omega stages)

Mario: 179%
Luigi: 177%
Peach: 168%
Bowser: 196%
Rosalina: 154%
Bowser jr: 194%

 

[Crawfish]

what's that wannabe waifu business about, explain yourself!

 

[Marp]

what's that wannabe waifu business about, explain yourself!

Lucina Will never be as pretty as Marth.

 

[Crawfish]

Lucina Will never be as pretty as Marth.

we got a problem

 

[Kinslayer]

Here are a few more for the up thrown list.
(No rage, Omega Prism Tower, up throw kill percents)

Game and Watch: 150%
Donkey kong: 214% (note: donkey kong was also killed at 209%-213%, but these proved to be inconsistent)
Diddy kong: 181%
Link: 189%
Zelda: 169%
Shiek: 171% (note: that Shiek was also killed at 169% as well as 170%, but these proved slightly inconsistent)

 

[Shaya]

Honestly, it's something I think we need 100% rage tested with it. It's when you're afraid of opponent's kill moves when something like up throw becomes most helpful, it's unfortunately proving to be pretty mediocre as a revenge killer :<

 

[Kinslayer]

Honestly, it's something I think we need 100% rage tested with it. It's when you're afraid of opponent's kill moves when something like up throw becomes most helpful, it's unfortunately proving to be pretty mediocre as a revenge killer :<

I'll do those after I'm finished with up throws kills without rage. Honestly all I need to do for that is go in and check like two characters. The percentage difference spread will be the same across the board.

So if mario and luigi die like 10% earlier then we know that all our up throws kill 10% sooner with rage.

This just in, in breaking up throw + rage news. Rage does not alter up throw kill percentages. I repeat, does not alter up throw kill percentages!

 

[Shaya]

You're testing this in a match and not training mode right?

 

[Kinslayer]

You're testing this in a match and not training mode right?

How the hell do I try these in matches? Hardly anyone lives that long vs Marth. I've had the chance to try like two and they both worked just fine.