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Marth vs fox

thebluedeath1000

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my fingers hurt

Marth
Match 9
At the beginning, you could have been easily sheildgrabbed but he spot-dodged, you should have took advantage of his lag and grabbed over backing away. The b-throw at 11 set up for some tech chasing and a makeshift combo due to the fox not teching.

You f-smashed alot after this and it could have been punished badly and remember to smash di those up-airs. Good edgeguard though. Random f-smash at .48?...

At 1.22, you charged an f-smash and the fox went right into it..you don't need to charge all the time as its easy to see what you're doing in your edgeguards. At 1.35, you should have sweetspotted so you could have at least hurt the fox on his landing lag. Near 1.43, you started a good chainthrow but then back-throwed and screwed it up bad..

If you know the fox is going to go for the shine spike, try to f-air or something, make his life harder. About 2.03, you just let him fall to the ground..try to continue combos and your chainthrowing. The approaching f-smash at 2.29 was abit too straight forward. Remember to wiggle out of stun and try to get height over the stage, rather than off, when knocked high.

Charged f-smash for no reason at 2.46, you had this match one and you're slowly losing it. From here..try less rolling and punishing lag on rolls and spot dodges..I really can't say much on the close quarters combat besides to keep your cool and punish over being afraid and jerky. You don't want to be on a platform for very long when fox is under you, don't stand there, get off asap.

At 3.47, he was offered up easy for a stock but you let him hit, bad mistake. Charged f-smash at 4.06?..bad choice..you should have leaped out and swatted him a few times since he was so close to the stage.

at 4.29, I'm beginning to believe you want to lose..you passed up an easy edgeguard attempt.

When someone is that high, you shouldn't be trying to hit with the f-smash..try something like a tippered nair,d-tilt or bair, its much easier to connect with those. And he makes it back after you hit him off the stage..you should have edgehogged.

For the most part, you misjudged distance work on that. Other problems would be attacking/grabbing in the wrong direction or generally using a move while the fox wasn't there, like netural a-ing when he was above you. You also tried to end combos too soon with f-smashes..you need to be more visual on your combos instead of auto, so you can tell whats going to hit. Many times you just watched him return and you did nothing..eh?..work on that.

Side note: I hear lots of kids then I hear a deeper older voice.



For fox

Why did you start lasering in place at the beginning? it screamed hit me..You really need to work on your teching skill, you missed numorous techs through the match.

The backward jump to up-b at .24 was dumb and un-needed, reframe from stuff like that.

Make your nairs lower, don't leap so high..As for the charged f-smash hitting..learn to ledgetech.

You are trying to use lasers...but not very skilled with them yet, but I'm glad you are using them. Try to be less predictable about your approaches, make the marth come to you for a change. Also, dreamland has a high ceiling, you don't always have to up-throw to u-air against marth which you mostly did, mix it up.

At 1.10, why did you watch him return without doing anything? At 1.22, you should have either illusioned (of which, you need to be doing more if possible due to it being harder to react to as the marth was having trouble with it already) or you could have up-bed up and moved toward the stage.

At 1.33, the bair was ill advised..very high and inaccurate and passed up your chance on taking that stock. Okay now..when marth is that high, try to land a n-air or a Falling u-air...as your u-airs were far too obvious. I'd have been going for nairs which are much easier to land.

Mix up your grabbing once again, even try a d-throw to up-smash as if its not teched, it hits..be fast and unpredictable. At 2.34, instead of lasering, you should have been out there stopping him..like a nair.

The bair from ledge wasn't a bright idea as it was far too high. At 3.25, you should have known better to edgehog..you should have been up there stopping him. The fire fox at 3.32 was..dumb. so was the one at 3.44. and at 3.46, you should have been taken out.

You can see the other mistakes and its mostly the same thing so I'll stop there. I'm tired of typing.

Overall: the ceiling was very high, you shouldn't have been doing so many u-airs when he was in kill %, you should have been going for the side kill at that point but if you do u-air so much, try falling u-airs to mix it up. Don't be so spot dodgy in close combat, keep a cool head and react according. Learn to tech so you can avoid taking needless damage, mix up your grabbing and recovery. Get better at that lasering too. I see you're starting to shine combo, good, get better at it!
 

brawlpro

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Side note: I hear lots of kids then I hear a deeper older voice.
lol it was prolly edge, i didn't say anythin other than **** when i suicided off, those kidz included edge's brother and a n00bish friend of mine. and thnx for the advice, it was beautiful, but you did say you were gonna have vids up, were the vidz where you fought those n00bs the ones you were talkin about or are there vidz of you against better ppl jade? overall, i luv ur advice, its different from most others...somehow.
 

edgeswipe21

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ya lol that deeper voice is me when i said "o dam" at 4:29. Ya i get extremely nervous for some reason when won matches get dragged out. Thnx for the help again, if only i didn't get that nervous. :)
 

thebluedeath1000

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No, I never speak in any of my videos. If I did, theres music on it.

I'm just too good is the reason my advice is the way it is.... And I haven't fought anyone that can take more than a stock lately so no, no new videos yet.
 

edgeswipe21

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I dunno if i should say this but don't watch the second vid bc my mistakes r stupid ( spacing mistakes) and it mite be a waste of time...unless of course u find something else rather than those mistake to critique on or u just wanna critique fox.
 

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Not too bad, but the Marth needs alot of work. I immediately noticed that the Marth needs to nair more, and fsmash less. That first match was yours, just bring it home next time.
 

thebluedeath1000

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Edge, listen up.

Stop letting those u-airs **** you when you are that high of a %.

Even at 0%, me and firexpride talked about how you can pull off a counter and stop the fox's attack on you completely. He claims it works and despite me not having tested it yet, I do believe him it works with correct timing.

You need to start wiggling out of stun and defending yourself. Don't make yourself a falling tumbling target. Do something, Start throwing out counters or something because you seem to be just absorbing them..Wiggle out of stun and Airdodge, Smash di by doing the "Dash dancing" motion, Try anything to make sure you don't get tagged with that much damage. Even d-air, its laggy, its not that good as a defensive much but its something, you need to start doing SOMETHING against those u-airs. if you are very high up di offstage and keep your second jump to make the fox less likely to have the gall to u-air, but be wary of everything else as you don't have stage under you..not advised to be done often but sometimes it helps.

Anyway, sorry for the rant on you, but stop letting those u-airs rule your marth, you're better than that.
 

edgeswipe21

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until next ttime then :) thnx for all the advice blue death now its up to me to get better.
 

brawlpro

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wow, man how come your not a pro yet wtf!!! you can destroy the mlg no freakin sweat....ooooo kizzu and ken got nothin on you! man, if ken and isai teamed up on you you could easily 4 stock them in like a minu....no wait in like 30 seconds!!! your marth is crazy and you could go easy on some...wait no everyone just to be nice...:crazy:
 

thebluedeath1000

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Thats more like it, I want you to straightout lie to me and butter me up and make my confidence higher than wild turkey ever could.

Okay, the last part is abit of a stretch, but still.
 

thebluedeath1000

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Indeed. but on a more serious note.

I'd be making note ( so you don't forget anything) of the things I need to be applying to my game in the next few days to be stepping it up, make sure edge does the same thing.

Especially you edge, theres alot for you to be taking in.
 

thebluedeath1000

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Hold on.

Whats your problem Doodah? I haven't said crap to you and you don't do anything for these boards.

I've been taking things too seriously with people lately so I'm lightening up, if you've got a problem with me, you pm me, you don't randomly post mess like that.
 

Miggz

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Yeah we can only hope!

Feel kinda sorry for all our inboxes. :p

I guess since it looks like most people have nothing else to say about my new vids (from what I was already told, not too much to work on lol) I could make a whole new thread/debate Marth topic. Hmm.
 

thebluedeath1000

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If you can't sense the sarcasm in my posting, you need to go shoot yourself, right in the **** head.


Brawlpro was JOKINGLY complimenting me, learn to read.
 

StripesOrBars

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So, then you need to shoot yourself in the head?

How come no one can sense my sarcasm on the boards either?

I know that no one can be as gay/annoying/stupid/gay/asian as you have posted in this thread.
 

brawlpro

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wow...........did this start cause bluedeath was helpin us...and man if u weren't bein sarcastic...then its pretty **** easy for you to come up and say that you were bein sarcastic...even tho might have been serious..."bluedeath shut up" sounds serious :p
 

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Because he talks like hes Ken.

When BlueDeath wins a major tourney he can say things like he does, but until then, he sucks.

Also bluedeath: No offense.
Erm...what are you talking about? The guy just answers a smasher(s) question(s)...that's all. He is very accurate with his responses. I have never been in a tourney or anything, although I play like I have, yet I have all the right to express my knowledge. It isn't his fault that some people (not saying you) are either afraid, or lazy to say what is on their minds. :/
 

thebluedeath1000

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You weren't sarcastic at all so don't play that card.

And you shouldn't insult asians like that first but secondly.

I've helped many people and done good but also had a light tone about things, WTF is your problem coming in here and telling me to shut up in which you haven't done a **** thing about helping the people in this thread?


I don't bloody brag, I give darn good advice, I don't see how you get off on coming in here and trying to show me up for no reason.
 

StripesOrBars

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Look, if you can say things like:

Marth
Match 9
At the beginning, you could have been easily sheildgrabbed but he spot-dodged, you should have took advantage of his lag and grabbed over backing away. The b-throw at 11 set up for some tech chasing and a makeshift combo due to the fox not teching.

You f-smashed alot after this and it could have been punished badly and remember to smash di those up-airs. Good edgeguard though. Random f-smash at .48?...

At 1.22, you charged an f-smash and the fox went right into it..you don't need to charge all the time as its easy to see what you're doing in your edgeguards. At 1.35, you should have sweetspotted so you could have at least hurt the fox on his landing lag. Near 1.43, you started a good chainthrow but then back-throwed and screwed it up bad..

If you know the fox is going to go for the shine spike, try to f-air or something, make his life harder. About 2.03, you just let him fall to the ground..try to continue combos and your chainthrowing. The approaching f-smash at 2.29 was abit too straight forward. Remember to wiggle out of stun and try to get height over the stage, rather than off, when knocked high.

Charged f-smash for no reason at 2.46, you had this match one and you're slowly losing it. From here..try less rolling and punishing lag on rolls and spot dodges..I really can't say much on the close quarters combat besides to keep your cool and punish over being afraid and jerky. You don't want to be on a platform for very long when fox is under you, don't stand there, get off asap.

At 3.47, he was offered up easy for a stock but you let him hit, bad mistake. Charged f-smash at 4.06?..bad choice..you should have leaped out and swatted him a few times since he was so close to the stage.

at 4.29, I'm beginning to believe you want to lose..you passed up an easy edgeguard attempt.

When someone is that high, you shouldn't be trying to hit with the f-smash..try something like a tippered nair,d-tilt or bair, its much easier to connect with those. And he makes it back after you hit him off the stage..you should have edgehogged.

For the most part, you misjudged distance work on that. Other problems would be attacking/grabbing in the wrong direction or generally using a move while the fox wasn't there, like netural a-ing when he was above you. You also tried to end combos too soon with f-smashes..you need to be more visual on your combos instead of auto, so you can tell whats going to hit. Many times you just watched him return and you did nothing..eh?..work on that.

Side note: I hear lots of kids then I hear a deeper older voice.



For fox

Why did you start lasering in place at the beginning? it screamed hit me..You really need to work on your teching skill, you missed numorous techs through the match.

The backward jump to up-b at .24 was dumb and un-needed, reframe from stuff like that.

Make your nairs lower, don't leap so high..As for the charged f-smash hitting..learn to ledgetech.

You are trying to use lasers...but not very skilled with them yet, but I'm glad you are using them. Try to be less predictable about your approaches, make the marth come to you for a change. Also, dreamland has a high ceiling, you don't always have to up-throw to u-air against marth which you mostly did, mix it up.

At 1.10, why did you watch him return without doing anything? At 1.22, you should have either illusioned (of which, you need to be doing more if possible due to it being harder to react to as the marth was having trouble with it already) or you could have up-bed up and moved toward the stage.

At 1.33, the bair was ill advised..very high and inaccurate and passed up your chance on taking that stock. Okay now..when marth is that high, try to land a n-air or a Falling u-air...as your u-airs were far too obvious. I'd have been going for nairs which are much easier to land.

Mix up your grabbing once again, even try a d-throw to up-smash as if its not teched, it hits..be fast and unpredictable. At 2.34, instead of lasering, you should have been out there stopping him..like a nair.

The bair from ledge wasn't a bright idea as it was far too high. At 3.25, you should have known better to edgehog..you should have been up there stopping him. The fire fox at 3.32 was..dumb. so was the one at 3.44. and at 3.46, you should have been taken out.

You can see the other mistakes and its mostly the same thing so I'll stop there. I'm tired of typing.

Overall: the ceiling was very high, you shouldn't have been doing so many u-airs when he was in kill %, you should have been going for the side kill at that point but if you do u-air so much, try falling u-airs to mix it up. Don't be so spot dodgy in close combat, keep a cool head and react according. Learn to tech so you can avoid taking needless damage, mix up your grabbing and recovery. Get better at that lasering too. I see you're starting to shine combo, good, get better at it!


Then Dear God you need a life. You suck at this game too.

And yes I was being sarcastic, sir.

And I am asian so I'll say whatever I want sir.
 

brawlpro

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wtf i'm asian!!!(not chinese or japanesse...strait out the ghetto from pakistan!!!)

were you bein sarcastic when you said jade(bluedeath) sux???

lol edge is gonna be surprised thinkin "wow holy crap 2 pages of advice in a few hrs..." just to be dissapointed when he sees this...but he'll like the guy who posted above's advice...

btw: jade doesn't suck...didn't you say when he wins a big tournament he talks like he's all that or sumthin...well there ya go, he wins tournaments
 

thebluedeath1000

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You came in here and randomly told me to shut up? Expecting that would be sarcasm, then say I'm bragging mindlessly and expect me to take sarcasm?

Thats idiotic, especially coming from someone as intelligent as you.

I don't suck at this game, I'm helping people. You can insult my playing ability all you want, I'm helping the marth community, I don't give a **** about your opinion about me. I respect you as a respectable member but **** you if you expect me to take your attacks on me.
 
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