Marth dito edge tech?

[Gian]

Ok, today finally i went to play some of the best players on this city. In beteewn them there was the best marth of the city (im not sure if its also the best of the country).
So we where having all this marth ditos and one thing that he was doing constantly and was really annoying me cuz i couldt do anything:

ok so, im off the stage trying to recovery and then when i do my Up B he F smash and i get launched away ... BTW i was sweetspoting....... ok so i said "nothing special ill edge tech" and i reallised i couldt¡¡¡¡. I was told you only had to use automatic DI to be able to edge tech (im sure im not missing the tech timing) so i keept trying to use ADI to edge tech and it just wont work , so i started smash DIing and it worked 3 times in a row.
My question is: do i always have to smash DI? im sure ADI is not working, and i have another match tomorrow, help me please. it really annoys me cuz lets say im wining 90% 20% then he make me go off the stage and edge guard that way and im screwd


im sure im sweetspoting..... but if u tell me a sweetspot cant me Fsmashed ill belive and try to sweetspot more BTW those Fsmashed are sweetspoted


note: im not missing the tech timing cuz i tech every other attak from other characters..

EDIT: oh one last thing.... same thing happens to me with his Dtilt (WHEN I DONT SWEETSPOT..... he can tech the Dtilt so i know its possible. Help please tomorrow another match ahhhhhhhh

EDIT: sorry for not posting this on the question thread i just noticed .. someone should really sticky that thread

 

[Byped]

if you sweet spot correctly ... you should hit the peak of your up-B under the lip of the stage....
this should make you use marth's grab range (thats what i call it..) in order to get onto the stage...

what im saying is: sweetspot better....


i always try to smash DI....
and if ADI ISN'T working and smash DI IS working, use it......................



(is ADI just holding the stick in a direction in order to controll postmortem flight...
if so: no that will usually not work and smash DI'ing is your best bet...)




*if it was easy, everyone would be doing it..........*

 

[Gian]

yes thats ADI, and SDI is harder.... i mean i have to press UP B hen R (on 1/3 of a second before wall) plus the sweetspot.. and then focus on the Fsmash to SDI it ...

 

[Gian]

22 views 1 reply?? comon i really need the help i have a match on 11 hrs








EDIT: comon i really need it... ima go sleep now i hope i get some other answer when i wake up cya

 

[Peki]

DI towards the stage works fine for me.

 

[Cactuar]

Marth's fsmash can generally hit a well-sweetspotted Marth upb.

Options: Sweetspot further away from the stage. Good Marth players tend to put themselves onto the stage far enough that they can hit you with the fsmash if you ride the stage with the upb, but miss if you leave a big gap. If you see him spacing the fsmash like that, try and upb from a little further out. You can also do it early to provoke them into fsmashing when you are above and out of range of the fsmash. This also only applies if they space themselves on the stage.

As for you missing techs. You are just missing the tech. If you sweetspot and get hit by the fsmash, you just need to be closer to the stage or time it better.

 

[Klowne]

Actually, i heard that ASDI doesn't work against marth's tippered Fsmash at moderate percents, so you're probably doing it right. You just need to smash DI instead.

I don't know what's up with marth's dtilt. I've never been able to tech it, not even with both ASDI and smash DI.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

I'm not sure about asdi, but with smash di, I've ledgeteched both marth's f-smash and d-tilt.

I'm teched peach's turnips before with smash di so eh. Expand your mind,

 

[KrazyKnux]

I think there's actually a percentage in which you have to SDI Marth's Fsmash to edgetech it. I want to say 150% but that may be too high, I'm not sure. As for dtilts, if your percentage is too low you can't edgetech it, plain and simple. Around 80% (just a guess) is about when you can edgetech it because that's when it knocks you down.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

I've edgeteched the d-tilt lower than 80% I'm relatively sure

 

[Gian]

tnks guys it worked using smash DI ALWAYS..... he got pissed at my techs :D lol. still i lost the battles.. i guess hes just better than me... i did better than yesterday thou so im happy with that

quoting myself " you learn more when you loose than when you win" ...if you know how to take a loose

 

[thebluedeath1000]

lose* ^

Gian, smash di usually solves all problems.

It's like duck tape.

 

[Gian]

It's like duck tape.

...........

LOL !

 

[Gian]

sorry for the double post but it wont let me edit my last post. :S


i forgot about smething.... i was really sweetspoting my dolphin slash. and still he hit me with his tipper F-Smash!!! idk what to do... and that piss me of.. (BTW i also get tipper f smashes on his sweetspoted up-Bs.) i think marths tipper F-smash is unavoidable (unless he miss the timing)

 

[balladechina212]

You can't tech the dtilt at lower percentages because it doesn't "knock you over." Fsmash, you can usually tech (maybe not 0%) but I don't even ADI or SDI, I just hit R and it'll work. Plus, you have to realize that Marth is one of the hardest characters to edgetech with, so just because you can do it with Fox, Falco, or Falcon, doesn't mean you have the timing perfect so Marth can do it.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Character timing for edgeteching doesn't change balladechina. And Turnips don't knock you over either (At lower damages) and I've ledgeteched those so you need to be abit more narrow on the things you can't edgetech. Marth has a fast up-b but the timing during the hit is still the same. It all depends on the time you're hit and the power of the move..the dilt is hard to ledgetech if its a sourspot but if sweetspoted, you can take it at mid-damages over lower due to the increased power.


And gian, if the f-smash hits anyway, just keep teching.

 

[WFL]

smash di usually solves all problems.

It's like duck tape.

Sigged cause spelled it "duck" and it's true.

 

[Gian]

with other characters i mean me (marth) been hit by other characters (not marth) attaks... not actually me using another character.... i know the tech timing perfectly... 1/3 sec before hiting the wall.... marth up B last 1/3 of a sec, and to get it even better i do it at the half of the up B so thats like 1/6 before hit....what i think im missing is on the DI..... BTW i also only press R to tech most of the attaks im just talking about marth tipper F-smash.. and D-tilt

 

[Gian]

yeah, i can keep the edge tech, but i get tons of dmg doing it..... and it gets harder when ur on a team battle and ur left alone with the 2, then u kill one (he was at 180%) then ur left alone with that marth and u have over 100%... and all the preassure... (this actually happened to me today)... i edge teched 2 times in a row then i got nervous and missed it ....

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Don't double post unless you have to Gian.

And you're only human, you will miss eventually but when it becomes second nature..you'll keep those edgetechs going till obscene damages.

And once you are back on stage, the tables can turn ever so quickly so keep a positive mindset.

 

[Gian]

i know blue it was a mistake im not doing it unpurpose... i noticed after i posted... i was editing the message saying "sorry for the double post" when u posted urs 1st.....


okay. ill keep practicing, but the only issue is that i dont paly this guys often.. and the guys i play with NEVER give me possibility to edge tech.. (i mean not that they wont let me but they just dont hit me when im using upB... so dont get many chances to practice it..... even if i always press the edge tech input when im using the upB...

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Play falcon or ganon, you'll get the chance to edgetech quite abit.

 

[Gian]

lol well, i only use marth :S ( that sucks)

 

[thebluedeath1000]

You told me you beat like the 7th best in mexico, yet you can't ledgetech consistently and you only play marth?..was someone trying to brag? lol

Playing only one character isn't very good as you're have your bad matchups, its best to have a secondary who favors the matchups you just happen to be bad at with marth.

You can play marth till you have a good handle on every matchup but still its good to have a secondary just so you can adapt when people learn how you play.

 

[Gian]

You told me you beat like the 7th best in mexico, yet you can't ledgetech consistently and you only play marth?..was someone trying to brag? lol

Playing only one character isn't very good as you're have your bad matchups, its best to have a secondary who favors the matchups you just happen to be bad at with marth.

You can play marth till you have a good handle on every matchup but still its good to have a secondary just so you can adapt when people learn how you play.

i can ledge tech consistenly...... just not marths F-smash (i never play marths...i just have to get used to it)...... and what i told you is the truth, why would i lie?

Not using another character doest makes u worse or better... i like marth that all and its funnier (at least for me) to try to beat anyone with marth....MORE OF A CHALLEGE IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT that way (oops caps to lazy to retype) ..


EDIT: BTW i dont brag about anything, i hate ppl that brag, so i try not to do it...even if i was the best.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Not using another character does make you worse, thats a fact because your options are limited because you go one character, all the time, against everyone. Sure that gives you great matchup experience but you will face someone who takes marth down despite your constant changing of playstyle and trying to adept, due to there is some patterns you won't be able to change.

Not having a secondary is like not having another gun to pull out in a fire fight. Playing the board isn't advised as it can weaken your good characters but some people can handle that. But having a secondary is almost a must if you intend to play competitively

and you dodged the first comment quite well gian lol.

 

[Gian]

Not using another character does make you worse, thats a fact because your options are limited because you go one character, all the time, against everyone. Sure that gives you great matchup experience but you will face someone who takes marth down despite your constant changing of playstyle and trying to adept, due to there is some patterns you won't be able to change.

Not having a secondary is like not having another gun to pull out in a fire fight. Playing the board isn't advised as it can weaken your good characters but some people can handle that. But having a secondary is almost a must if you intend to play competitively

and you dodged the first comment quite well gian lol.

lol Blue i was not trying to "dodge" the comment, re-read the post "and what i told you is the truth, why would i lie?" that really happened.

Now. Another reason i dont play another character is cuz i dont feel confortable with any other... i dont really know who to use besides marth........

to bad i dont have AIM here to talk to you easyer

 

[thebluedeath1000]

I'm just picking on you is all.

Yeah, I'm the only person responding lol..

And you just have to learn gian, but a secondary is highly recommended.

 

[Gian]

im on online version of AIM.... but ur not online lol....

whos ur second?




EDIT: Go on AIM!

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Ganondorf is my secondary.

Hes a secondary that requires hardwork (as does any character but moreso due to other characters simply having an advantage) in order to produce results like marth does but many people do not face many ganons and have little experience with them..or have difficulty fighting ganon after dealing with marth, theres many factors in why I chose ganon but nothing too important.

Just choose someone else you favor and work with them.


I'll sign on, lets not clog this thread up with back and forth talk.

 

[KrazyKnux]

I've edgeteched the d-tilt lower than 80% I'm relatively sure

Again, I said I'm not quite sure what the %s were, but you were probably at least 60% when you got hit. Otherwise your memory had gone bad. The down tilt has to knock you over for you to be able to edgetech it. As for turnips, they don't knock you over at lower percentages but you also can't edgetech them at lower percentages. You can tech (edgetech or otherwise) regular turnips at about 90%, dot face at about 60% and although i'm not sure what the % is for stitch-face, it's definitely lower than that. Other than that you can not edgetech them.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Unless you are completely sure of the percentages, please do not tell me what I have done and haven't, I dislike that since I know what I have been doing. I've teched things under estimated %s, I'm not sure what and neither are you.

I'm not saying you can do it at insanely low percents but it varies heavily and may be lower depending on how you are hit/what, in the case of turnips.

 

[Miggz]

Give Fox a go. Marth is my main and is the first character I became "advanced" with. I don't know what it is about Fox, but it seems like allot of good Marth users have a solid or pro Fox under their belt. ^^

 

[KrazyKnux]

Unless you are completely sure of the percentages, please do not tell me what I have done and haven't, I dislike that since I know what I have been doing. I've teched things under estimated %s, I'm not sure what and neither are you.

Unless your completely sure what % you teched then there's no reason to contradict me. It seems like we're both unsure on the %s (although i tested the %s for the turnips very quickly so they're pretty accurate give or take 5%), but I at least understand the concept of it. You have to be knocked down in order to tech be it a normal tech, edgetech or walltech. That's all I'm trying to say, not to prove whether you're lying or not.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Then stop trying to give me a hard time eh?

You're the one that tried to pick out little things on what I was saying in the first place, I suggest you back off on what I have to say, unless you have facts to say. And you don't besides the simple "they have to be knocked down".

 

[KrazyKnux]

Then stop trying to give me a hard time eh?

You're the one that tried to pick out little things on what I was saying in the first place, I suggest you back off on what I have to say, unless you have facts to say. And you don't besides the simple "they have to be knocked down".

Wow, you really need to calm down and stop being such a crybaby. My first post just explained that at some %s you have to SDI, and there are some percentages that you can't tech if it's too low. I wasn't exact with my percentages, but all you need is the general idea.

You were the one who "tried to pick out little things" on what I had to say by trying to disprove my %s which I already said were not perfectly accurate. No one wanted exact %s, he was just wondering why he was unable to tech, so I gave him a reason why he might be missing techs.

Sorry if you think I'm singling you out or something, I just thought there was really no reason to argue with what I had to say. If you have something else to say to me, please put it in a PM, because otherwise I have a feeling this will go nowhere.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Sorry if you think I'm singling you out?

You already tried to disagree on my past statements with minor infactions and in your opening sentence, you told me to stop being a crybaby eh?

I'm not going to waste anymore time on you unless you have something to say besides insults and general information.

 

[balladechina212]

Wow, you must really dislike people from West Virginia...

Although I'm not going to get into this argument...

Unless it goes further (of course, we don't want what happened last time to occur again, do we?).

 

[brawlpro]

well, i guess you already had that match, so i don't think i'll be of any help anymore. did you succeed?

 

[thebluedeath1000]

[sarcasm/] China, I like you. Don't make me kill you. [sarcasm/]


I just don't like people trying to tell me what I haven't done with general information that I already know.