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You must have meant to post in the melee marth smashboards threads. Here you go http://smashboards.com/forums/marth.69/Marth can apply a lot of pretty safe pressure to the opponent's shield, because of his range, and if your offense is patient, it will pay off.
It's for reals bruhYou must have meant to post in the melee marth smashboards threads. Here you go http://smashboards.com/forums/marth.69/
Sm4sh Marth doesn't apply safe pressure on shield dude, not against people who are any good anyway.
Or side b, or grab, maybe.It's for reals bruh
Spaced falling nair on a Rosa's shield and he couldn't run and grab in time to punish. Same with the best Luigi in my country xD With the damage buffs his nair and upair are both either 0 or + on shield drop iirc.
Then they're forced to either back away, or roll towards me to escape the pressure, which I can punish with upsmash or uptilt.
Not to be rude, but there is no way in hell marth can safely approach a rosa. I am talking both players being equal skill levels. I am not looking at such outplay instaces. This thread seems to me more of consistent approaches and not Rosa did nair and had landing lag, so I was able to approach with sh nair.It's for reals bruh
Spaced falling nair on a Rosa's shield and he couldn't run and grab in time to punish. Same with the best Luigi in my country xD With the damage buffs his nair and upair are both either 0 or + on shield drop iirc.
Then they're forced to either back away, or roll towards me to escape the pressure, which I can punish with upsmash or uptilt.
Which is also not the situation I'm talkin about xD I'm simply approaching his shield with fair/nair and I'm safe. This is someone I go back and forth with, so it's not like I'm way above his skill level xDNot to be rude, but there is no way in hell marth can safely approach a rosa. I am talking both players being equal skill levels. I am not looking at such outplay instaces. This thread seems to me more of consistent approaches and not Rosa did nair and had landing lag, so I was able to approach with sh nair.
Btw who is my profile pic? edit why cant I delete this post?Bruh we are even more FE then usual today, AWESOME!!!
I main yoshi and have been contemplating picking up marth as a secondary ( waiting for tourney results on marth). I really like a B reverse for people who over shield, but thats because I do it a lot with yoshi. It is also a lot easier on marth then yoshi also.Which is also not the situation I'm talkin about xD I'm simply approaching his shield with fair/nair and I'm safe. This is someone I go back and forth with, so it's not like I'm way above his skill level xD
Edit: Even that on against rosa is risky. I have a friend who mains rosa and it is cringe to be above her. Counter is useless because luma can take the damage then she up airs you.I main yoshi and have been contemplating picking up marth as a secondary ( waiting for tourney results on marth). I really like a B reverse for people who over shield, but thats because I do it a lot with yoshi. It is also a lot easier on marth then yoshi also.
B reversing into fastfall with it. B reverse is the bestI think an interesting mixup is full hop fastball tipper shieldbreaker.
Using shieldbreaker in air can be a handy frame trap tool, because marth doesn't have moves that last many frames.
True.B reversing into fastfall with it. B reverse is the best
Any character with a relatively long disjoint can threaten Rosalina far easier than most other characters, thus, amplifying their approaches. The reason being, is that they can deal with Luma a lot safer than most characters. Characters like Cloud, Shulk, and Marth in particular are three matchups Rosalina can have a tough time keeping hold of Luma, because no matter what she does, they can safely hit Luma and threaten her. Even if Rosalina shields, if it's even remotely smaller, their disjoints can hit Luma safely through her shield, dispatching the star child with relative ease. Characters like Roy struggle a bit in this department, because while he has a disjoint, it's not really a "ranged" weapon, due to it's sweetspot placement, and Roy can be quite easily punished (not to mention he get's combo'd by her pretty hard due to his fall speed).Not to be rude, but there is no way in hell marth can safely approach a rosa. I am talking both players being equal skill levels. I am not looking at such outplay instaces. This thread seems to me more of consistent approaches and not Rosa did nair and had landing lag, so I was able to approach with sh nair.
I somewhat agree, but you are stopping at getting rid of luma. Marth, which this is about has to much float and laggy moves. Sure he can get a fair kill luma. Then she just will rush a grab and u air you.Any character with a relatively long disjoint can threaten Rosalina far easier than most other characters, thus, amplifying their approaches. The reason being, is that they can deal with Luma a lot safer than most characters. Characters like Cloud, Shulk, and Marth in particular are three matchups Rosalina can have a tough time keeping hold of Luma, because no matter what she does, they can safely hit Luma and threaten her. Even if Rosalina shields, if it's even remotely smaller, their disjoints can hit Luma safely through her shield, dispatching the star child with relative ease. Characters like Roy struggle a bit in this department, because while he has a disjoint, it's not really a "ranged" weapon, due to it's sweetspot placement, and Roy can be quite easily punished (not to mention he get's combo'd by her pretty hard due to his fall speed).
All the while in the Marth v Rosalina matchup, Rosalina must be playing far safer than usual, just because of how easy it is for her to lose Luma.
This is coming from a guy who can see the matchup from both sides; I play both Rosalina and Marth.
Without Luma, Rosalina will not "rush" and grab you at all. Quite the contrary. She will play safe, and evade most of the time because she can do very little that is effective without Luma. For example, Up Throw to Up Air is a lot harder without Luma because without him, the hitbox is a lot smaller and tough to land. Without Luma, one of her best options, Jab, is near useless because it lacks range, damage, power, and the great combo follow up angle. One of her best aerials in neutral, Neutral Air, is also irrelevant without Luma because the move does not strike early in front of her without him.I somewhat agree, but you are stopping at getting rid of luma. Marth, which this is about has to much float and laggy moves. Sure he can get a fair kill luma. Then she just will rush a grab and u air you.
I only read about half your message because we are never going to never agree. I have a buddy Italked with and he agrees with me. He has been playing rosa since release. He is a top player in colorado also.Without Luma, Rosalina will not "rush" and grab you at all. Quite the contrary. She will play safe, and evade most of the time because she can do very little that is effective without Luma. For example, Up Throw to Up Air is a lot harder without Luma because without him, the hitbox is a lot smaller and tough to land. Without Luma, one of her best options, Jab, is near useless because it lacks range, damage, power, and the great combo follow up angle. One of her best aerials in neutral, Neutral Air, is also irrelevant without Luma because the move does not strike early in front of her without him.
Basically, the Rosalina player would rather play it safe until Luma returns, only attacking you if absolutely necessary (on a punish for example). Rosalina will not "rush" and grab you. She will probably try to grab you, but only when cornered.
Think of it in the mind of the Rosalina player a second. "Oh, my best/safest neutral options are gone, it's harder for me to combo, and my moves are less safe overall. I better play it cautiously for 13 seconds". In this time, Marth can threaten Rosalina a lot easier with moves like his Dtilt and Nair.
Yep, ok, that's fine. I have also been playing Rosalina since release. That means nothing. I am merely stating information about the matchup.I only read about half your message because we are never going to never agree. I have a buddy Italked with and he agrees with me. He has been playing rosa since release. He is a top player in colorado also.
I don't think you play rosa correctly. Have you ever been to a tourney?Yep, ok, that's fine. I have also been playing Rosalina since release. That means nothing. I am merely stating information about the matchup.
But whatever, you're entitled to believe what you want...
I have been plenty a tournament, why does that even matter? While I haven't attended anything super huge yet (there isn't much that huge in the UK unfortunately), at my last tournament where there was 84 entrants, I managed to get 4th using Rosalina and Marth. I'm known for being the best Rosalina and Marth in my area (to be fair, there aren't any other Rosalina or Marth players in the area lmao, that probably contributes for part of that statement).I don't think you play rosa correctly. Have you ever been to a tourney?