Mario FLUDD recovery/mindgame possibilites

[MarioMariox2]

Do you guys know that Mario's FLUDD is a great way to recover long distance (despite being situational)? The fact that the FLUDD pushes Mario back can lead to new techniques or an improvement in his metagame. If this is already known, then sorry for wasting your guys time.

 

[vato_break]

i did not know this, thank you.

 

[Big-Omar]

OMG NEW AT

This is gonna make mario top teir!!!!

 

[HeroMystic]

Sarcasms aside, this has been known ever since Brawl first came out I think. It's not used at all though, because it leaves Mario very vulnerable to attacks.

 

[Matt07]

I think I might use it too push the edguarder back like Matador was saying before, it leaves you less vunerable because FLUDD will halt them. If you use it too push you towards the stage your wide open for attacks.

But again, you will need your double jump.

 

[HeroMystic]

Yeah, definitely use FLUDD for Anti-Edgeguard. Works nearly every time. Using it for recovery though (as suggested by the OP) is a very bad call. If it pushed back Mario faster without the extra vertical drop, it would be doable.

 

[Veggi]

Yay, I suggested something useful for Mario's metagame for once. Alright, I'll go back to being a scrub now.

 

[BSP]

I really don't think that using fludd to push yourself toward the stage actually does anything significant. You're better off using it on the opponent to prevent edgegaurds like the others said.

 

[MarioMariox2]

I really don't think that using fludd to push yourself toward the stage actually does anything significant. You're better off using it on the opponent to prevent edgegaurds like the others said.

This is a common point between you guys and I agree completely that FLUDD is a great edgeguard tool. Though I have some idea to debate upon.

In regards to the double-jump:

Maybe with good DI on Yoshi's or Battlefield the double jump could be saved and replaced by a wall-jump.

Cape -> FLUDD toward just beneath ledge -> Walljump -> Cape (optional) -> Up-B

or even at mid %s?

Other Stuff
More rational:
-FLUDD past edgeguarder onto other side of the stage or edge?

More farfetched:
-FLUDD across the stage, grabbing the opposite ledge.
-FLUDD to possible cape glide?

Other that that, I'd say that since you can use attack after the duration of the FLUDD, it can be more useful OOS like say... (Warning: Theories ahead!)

FLUDD more downwards toward the stage -> Dair -> Follow-up

Then there's on stage capabilites; however, they are more risky even as theories:

Prevent approach. Can be used in junction with...
SH-FLUDD as evasive maneuver.
SH-FLUDD towards as (possible) mindgame?

Before I let this go, I hope you guys could discuss this.

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Do you guys know that Mario's FLUDD is a great way to recover long distance (despite being situational)? The fact that the FLUDD pushes Mario back can lead to new techniques or an improvement in his metagame. If this is already known, then sorry for wasting your guys time.

Uhh... yeah, we been knew that, we're the Marios, we know that already. lolol

 

[MarioMariox2]

Uhh... yeah, we been knew that, we're the Marios, we know that already. lolol

Hah, I figured. Now direct your attention to post #9 :3

 

[UberMario]

Do you guys know that Mario's FLUDD is a great way to recover long distance (despite being situational)? The fact that the FLUDD pushes Mario back can lead to new techniques or an improvement in his metagame. If this is already known, then sorry for wasting your guys time.

I've tried, but most of the time I've done it I lost more vertical ground than I had gained in horizontal ground. It's definitely useful in screwing up your opponents predicitions when they try to attack from below, though.

In regards to the double-jump:

Maybe with good DI on Yoshi's or Battlefield the double jump could be saved and replaced by a wall-jump.

Wouldn't that make it a little easy to get gimped? The aggressor doesn't have much to lose if you're next to the edge in order to wall-jump.

Cape -> FLUDD toward just beneath ledge -> Walljump -> Cape (optional) -> Up-B

or even at mid %s?

I think it would be too predicatble, but if the scenario doesn't occur that much, then I guess that could work.

Other Stuff
More rational:
-FLUDD past edgeguarder onto other side of the stage or edge?

Halfway is pushing it, especially if you were in a position where the opponent reacted by edgeguarding.

More farfetched:
-FLUDD across the stage, grabbing the opposite ledge.

Running is faster, unless the other person was nearby and was caught in the splash, which would could work as a mind game.

-FLUDD to possible cape glide?

If you were going to gimp someone out of a cape glide, then you should just run before gliding, plus the FLUDD could be saved as an off-stage gimp if need be.

Other that that, I'd say that since you can use attack after the duration of the FLUDD, it can be more useful OOS like say... (Warning: Theories ahead!)

FLUDD more downwards toward the stage -> Dair -> Follow-up

What? I don't understand how this combo would work.

Then there's on stage capabilites; however, they are more risky even as theories:

Prevent approach. Can be used in junction with...
SH-FLUDD as evasive maneuver.

Probably the most plausible use here.

SH-FLUDD towards as (possible) mindgame?

Maybe, though it sounds like a waste of a charging.