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I don't if we should be relieved or disappointed...
A little bit of both. They're slowly but surely nerfing Sheik down bit by bit, which is relieving us of our worst matchup. But I do wish Sakurai-senpai would notice us and at least throw us a buff or two.
And what would you have him buff? To me Mario is the most balanced charachter in the game. He's got great strenghths and not too many weaknesses. Definitely already a top tier.
He's not a top tier. High tier, definitely, but but by no exaggeration top tier. As for what I would buff, his down smash that got completely ****ed over from Brawl to 4, and maybe a damage buff to his neutral air. I would also appreciate if Jumpman could recover a little bit better.
I happen to disagree with you then I guess. I believe Mario has good matchups on nearly the entire cast. The hardest matchup for him is sheik and Rosaluma, but then again those two are the two best charachters in the game in my opinion and they are a ***** to fight as anyone. As for your proposed changes, yah those seem within reason. I'm all for mario buffs he is one of my secondaries after all
Not really. Lucario actually does favorable against Sheik and Rosalina had some bad ones here and there. The reason Mario isn't top tier is because he either doesn't win or is even with all the undisputed top tiers. The only top he actually wins against is Luigi and some would argue Pikachu.I happen to disagree with you then I guess. I believe Mario has good matchups on nearly the entire cast. The hardest matchup for him is sheik and Rosaluma, but then again those two are the two best charachters in the game in my opinion and they are a ***** to fight as anyone. As for your proposed changes, yah those seem within reason. I'm all for mario buffs he is one of my secondaries after all
His averageness is a positive not a negative. Players who do well with him rely only on their own skill as a player, not on gimmicks and cheap moves. He's also very easy to pick up and learn but hard to master. His averageness makes him unique among this cast.
Sakurai seems to be intent on whacking the top tiers with the nerf hammer. If this keeps going, old Big Red just might find himself at the top of the class.
Luigi actually BEATS Mario. Better trades, better edgeguards, better kill setups, better projectile, etc.
It would seem that way, but Luigi's Fireball is rendered mute against Mario, Mario himself edgeguards Luigi rather easily, he has an easier time KOing, and Luigi has a tough time dealing with Mario's rain of Fireballs. Mario also doesn't fall victim to The Down Throw of the Gods, due to him being slippery and mainly approaching from the air. There's also the fact that none of his moves fall below frame 6, with the exception of The Kobe and his forward smash, only making it harder for Luigi to combo him to kingdom come.
We don't spam Fireballs in this fight. We shield them. It's slow enough to time your shields.
Yours are still all-around less effective than ours.
What are you saying?
Disagree, I think people need to learn the matchup personally, especially with buffed sword characters. And as long as his Dair doesn't combo properly, he can't really kill anyone for platform camping.
I doubt we'll ever get hit by it, considering nothing we have is particularly overpowering or complained about. The only possible nerf I could see is maybe a lag increase on up smash, and even that's unlikely, seeing as how Sakurai doesn't know Mario's still in the game. I guess for the time being, being indirectly buffed through the nerfing of others is how we're going stay alive, i.e. Sheik and Fox. Not that Fox was ever a problem to begin with, but much less so now.
Who called him bad? He's definitely top 15, just not top tier. There are a few things wrong with him, again, like his poor down smash, but nobody denied that Mario is an amazing character and is definitely worthy of his current high tier status.
If his Dair safely links in to his Dsmash and it's his fastest smash attack it is hardly Poor. There are worse Smash attacks out their like Sonic's Dsmash.
That's not what I meant by poor. I mean it got nerfed to **** from Brawl. It does significantly less damage, it barely kills with Rage, and it's just all-around a worse move and is probably his worst smash attack. Sonic's down smash isn't even that bad. Better than it was in Brawl, somewhat ironically.
Yeah, sometimes it does happens, so a good reading is required.
For every buff Mario gets, Dr. Mario deserves three. Don't buff Mario before they improve the Doc in any way at all, please
Really, at this point, Doc really can't be buffer much more without being unique. If they improved his strength, he would do too much damage. If they improved his recovery, It would basically be Marios plus a shoryuken. If they improved his Frane data, he wouldn't fit as a heavy (Well, C. Falcon is an exception)
Doc's attacks only do 1.12x the damage Mario's do. If anything, buffing his damage would make him more unique. Improving his recovery is the first step to making him better, and there's no reason to improve his frame data, since it's already excellent. Uniqueness isn't a problem, making him better is. Also, Doc weighs the same as Mario, he's not a heavy.
your right he isn't a heavy, but in my mind so treat him as one because bad recoveries and stronger attackes make me think of it
