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major problems against toon link

Orichalcum

Smash Journeyman
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Oct 16, 2006
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this is so frustrating i keep getting owned by toon link. i take damaga like a *** and nothing seems to help. he runs so fast and i cant get space. zair cancels boomerangs but at low % i get punished for it with other projectiles etc, bad. its just very sad. i cant build up distance and in close combat up tilt even outranged my downtilt wtf??!?!?! his aerials come out so fast and outrange me again. basicly its just space me to 130 % running upsmash when i try to zair. even if i dont zair he is too mobile. this matchup is too sick, the best i get is last stock to 100% but i want to win this match. and dont give me that matchup thread please since it sucks
 

Boolossus

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Okay. When he uses projectiles, zair him. Make sure that zair not only cancels his projectiles, but hits him as well. If you're too far away from him for zair to hit, use super missiles to pressure him so that he can't pull out projectiles and spam you. When he starts to jump above your super missiles, then is your chance to zair him.

Make it hard for him to approach you. But when you are close, shield alot, and then punish him from it, because alot of his attacks are pretty laggy. Ftilt from shield is your safest bet most of the time.
 

GI Josh

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try to space yourself with missles and lasers, zair is a good option indeed. TL's nair, bair and dair can all hurt samus quite a bit
 

Uffe

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Assuming the OP is a Samus main or plays Samus as an alternative, Toon Link can be a ***** when fighting Samus. As someone who is thinking about using TL as an alternative and have been using him quite frequently, TL's barrages can be used like Samus'. I believe TL is pretty much an aerial type of character. His nairs are pretty dangerous for any character because it strikes twice. So how do you defeat TL? Let's see...

Okay, your best attack is probably zair since nothing can touch that except Pit's Mirror Shield. Never stay below Toon Link. Ever. If his dair gets you and there is nothing but death below, then you're pretty much screwed unless you're willing to take the risk of airdodging. Spacing is almost pointless against TL as he can just do the same. His arrows, bombs and boomerang can cancel out Samus' homing and super missiles. But if you want you can try to use a barrage of missiles anyway.

Avoid TL's nair and d-smash. Both inflict a good amount damage against any character. If anything you'll want to counter that with something totally different. The main users of TL seems to be lacking since I never really come across enough to fight them so I have to take my experience and try to make it as advice. A lot of TL's attacks are situtational so fighting him really shouldn't be hard. If he just spams his attacks over and over again then good luck with that. Your best bet is closing in on him. If he follows you like a shadow, use your bombs to space yourself because Samus' bombs obviously cause damage and it doesn't have to be enough. As long as it hurts your opponent you're pretty much getting in easy damage on them.

Again, never stay below TL. I do believe his dair can counter Samus' Screw Attack. If his dair pokes at your shield the first time, continue holding your shield or try and spotdodge or roll away. After his dair pokes the opponents shield or the opponent, he can move and strike one more time. He seems like an aerial character and his nair can kill Samus at a decent percent so counter that with something like Samus' fair because that is known to be pretty useful. Especially, especially if you pull back during the process of using her fair.
 

ADHD

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Toon links love to spam. They'll sit there thinking they can spam you. Get in zair length and spam it at them to stop their lame projectiles.
 

Crystanium

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Yeah, I don't like Toon Link. My brother, Uffe, and I brawled today, and he was Toon Link. The only reason why he lost was because he tried to d-air me while I was returning, and he SD'd. In this match, one of you is going to have to go after your opponent, since both Samus and Toon Link can spam attacks all day and get nowhere.
 

Orichalcum

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Thanks ill take that advices. Getting to him is the hardest part becasue he keeps him on distance pretty well. I think im gonna try shooting less missiles and see how it turns out next time
 
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