Alright let me adresse the entire "case" again me at once because to be honest it is just one of the dumbest cases I have seen in my mafia history and I've seen some dumb cases. It is entirely baseless and everyone has just said "Yea J is scum, let's just lynch him." And no one, not a single person has backed up their reasoning besides some people a bit. I am using the term backing up lightly as I can. Let me get to my main attackers.
Zen
Zen tunnels me regardless of alignment. He just does not mesh with my play-style when we are the same alignment and continues to say I am scum until I am lynched. It is like a complex to which I must be scum one time and prove he is right but every time he has been flat out wrong. However this game he has not brought up anything saying I am scum besides, "lol J is so obvscum we need to lynch him ASAP." His case is also hypocritic in the sense that it is based on me calling him town when I came into the game which I normally do when I have a read on him and he just does not like it to admit someone else is right about his alignment and that he can be read. It's hypocritic in the sense that he hasn't called anyone else that has just called him town without reasoning. But has persued me because apparantly to him "it's a scum tell." Which in it's own is ridiculous. Zen is town BECAUSE OF THIS NONSENSE. I am just going to tune him out when he is screaming his nonsense because that is all it is, nonsense. There is nothing to listen to besides blithering and posts that just consist of this:
He is exactly the same way as OS this game besides the personal insults and yet (Soon he will) to post his baseless case that holds no air. All it will hold is conjecture as to why he personally believes me to be scum which he hasn't stated at all. All he has stated is that I am scum because he says so.
Gheb
Classic Grade A bandwagoner. Yes, he has added onto the "case" against me but in the end it is nothing but restating the facts. Now toDay he has seem to be saying "I have called J scum since D1 and it has been obvious to me and I have been attacking him since." Which is straight-up a lie. He has not at all. He has just commented on not liking me this game but when asked by myself (multiple times) he has said not a word to me why he finds me scummy. Then toDay he makes this post:
He starts off by openly being condescending by saying that everyone should know his thoughts why he thinks I am scum which is full of crap. I already explained the second part but he is choosing to act as if I did not tell him that because of Zen's actions I can infer a townChibo read because of his naivety. He acts like Mr. Veteran by saying "That's what we call selective reading." When it is not at all. And point out exactly where I have buddied/sat on the fence with either Chibo or Zen? Again he tries to ignore that I answered his question to try and make his point against me seem stronger. When he brings up the Gova instance it is basically pointing out a smaller version of chain-saw defense but reversed, "Because he does not agree with me on my Chiboscum reasoning, therefore I like him alot less." He also tries to make me seem like I'm trying to act like an olive branch to an arguement between Zen/Chibo which is just not true. He is trying to draw things that just are not there. Then he tries to say things like "I cannot comprehend how what J is doing is not manipulative." However he does not bring up exactly what I have don is manipulative so it weakens his point in general. Then he says "Well I'm not bussing but out of the other people X1 is the most likely busser." I mean what is this? This is classic mirror defense in which he tries to bounce blame for the bus onto someone that is not him. Also he never specifically stated that Chibo/J were his top scum picks by the end of D1.
OS
Not smart. All he has done today is come into the game and tunnel Gheb out of the blue. He tries to scrounge everything he can to try and convince people that Gheb is scum. He actually has done so which astounds me because of some of the logic he uses regarding the NK in which pretty much EVERYONE knows the FF joke about him dieing N1 every game regardless. He also extrapolates that every single post Gheb has made in this game is scum and full of crap and tries to peg the entire scum-team in a single blow. It astounds me the conjecture someone could use and get away with it. All OS has been doing is shoving WIFOM and this town is just playing follow the Shepard. It's just as bad as Zen's non-existant case on me. Zen and OS are the same in which that they get a tunnel vision set of mind in which they MUST be right and they are never wrong. OS' clear example of this is his play in All-Stars mafia which was ridiculous when he decided to tunnel Tandora and Praxis which almost cost them the win right then and there even though they lost in the end.
How is that post a red flag? It was my first real post into the game so explain. No one has done so whatsoever and just said, "Yea that's pri scummy bro." Where is the explanation?
I say I liked Zen because I believed him to be town and I have a record of knowing Zen's alignment like the back of my hand every single damn game we have played together and he knows this but refuses to admit so. Also can I not have an RVS vote/post as well?
Actually I'm gonna take a break for a second and adresse this point which has been blown out of ****ing proportion. Everyone is questioning my entrance post for a stupid reason. Why can I not have an RVS post to kick things off just like everyone else? What is scummy about that post? Seriously I see nothing wrong compared to other RVS posts and I've seen worse. I just find it stupid the exploitations people have gone to try and twist J = Scum that they even use my first post in the game. IT WAS AN RVS POST GET OVER IT. Seriously it's annoying that someone cannot come in an try and spark conversation by asking questions because the game was dead and my random vote was on Gova, I said it was a pressure vote as a joke BECAUSE IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE TO ANNOUNCE THAT. Which many people have pointed out but no one got it. Many people have been bawling over this post and it's just childish and non-sensical to take everything so seriously.
You obviously do not know me at all so do not pretend to think you know how I act. I openly state I do not follow anyone and do as I want and do as I think is the best.
You already were pointed out to that this is wrong.
Why lol @ pairings? What is funny about them?
Where do you deduce Chibo = Town and Gova = scum from that post?
How is that the foil? Explain.
Explain in depth how I am playing the opposite of Gheb and why we should take note?
So conviction = scum tell? With that logic your conviction with Gheb is a scum-tell and therfore you should be lynched, correct?
Hypocrite.
No I state reasoning but people ignore it because they have tunnel vision on Kuzi and was just ultimately stupid.
Nice overexaggeration to try and make your point seem more relevant. Maybe it's not me who needs to get back to acting class.
Why would town not do that? TOWN WANTED TO LYNCH THE EFFING DOC. How ******** is this that people lynched a un-CC'd doc. Why not lynch DH while we are at it as well? He has played worse than Kuzi did in this game and is an un-CC'd PR. Do you people actually realize the utter stupidity of kuzi's lynch? I do not care if I get lynched because of my defense of kuzi because that is my thought on the matter. Yes, Kuz was playing like **** but lynching him regardless of claim is just as stupid as my lynch in DnD mafia. This is an opinionized statement that you are saying that town wouldn't do that. So you are saying EVERYONE on kuzi's wagon is town because they did what a cookie cutter townie would do in your eyes? You do realize the fallicies in this line of thinking correct?
This quote is just stupid. Most of it is vented above.
.....? So I'm null to you but a scum read at the same time, right? What did you not like about me not coming in from V/LA? What are you talking about asking people to ask me questions to make them look bad? How does my defense of Kuzi no longer look scummy because he claimed Doc? You do know that is one of the reasons quite a few people call me scum?
What are you talking about? OS we have only played one game together in which I died N1 as a VT and you are saying you know my scum meta. How?
Self-fulfilling? Explain how.
Also you are trying to deny any and ALL meta with the bolded section. If you were to have actually read why I was saying Kuzi was town is because of the idiotic move he had done. A point to make here as well is you are the pot calling the kettle black in which you have not been commenting at all really unless asked to comment on something and you have not done anything on your own two feet unless it involves you directly so explain that to me. According to your logic you ARE acting exactly like kuzi except making a telling bonehead move.
How does it feel that I have known kuz's alignment before hand?
How does the way I came into the game not sit well with you?
I wanted your opinion on me who has caught the most heat and you continue to say that I am just null after all this controversy over me being lynched?
Swiss
Terrible Poster. That pretty much sums up Swiss in a nutshell this game, he has been skimming, his points are outdated and just tend to be not here. He has a little follower in Nabe and doesn't mind the fact that someone just wants to leech off of him and his reads. However when I try and think of memorable things he has done since he replaced into the game absolutely nothing comes to mind. He had a bout with me when he came in and then he makes this terrible post:
Agreed. Terrible post.
How is that scum? Yes people have quoted it. Quit skimming.
Why do you say Zen is town. Provide explanation.
Scummy. And no.
*facepalm* You obviously do not read well.
Explain every single one of these stances.
No. Why don't you actually read this game?
He has been inactive as of late because of laptop johns but I am not liking Swiss at the current time either and my view on him is still the same but at the moment he is one of my current attackers that say I am definetely the play. However he has something in common with my lynch pushers. No substance or nothing that states WHY I am scum and WHY I should die.
X1-12
A mini combo of Zen and Gheb. X1 has been just jumping on the J/Gheb one of them or both are scum wagon without providing much if any reasoning. He still hasn't presented a case on either me or him and just continues to make his jabs at either of us when he can and try and seem like he shares the town consensus on the lynch candidates but he himself has not stuck his neck out for anyone else to be lynched. He tunneled DH and Kuzi, Kuzi so much to his grave and lynched the un-CC'd doctor. Actually there is a point missing here, what happened to his DH = Scum Watcher theory that he has not commented on like at all toDay. It seems to dissapate because he knows that he cannot swing a DH lynch because after lynching the claimed Doctor he could in no way get DH lynched without sullying his name even moreso then he has already. Let me show an example of how most of his posts have been all day.
He takes teeny tiny jabs at who is looking like the most scummy and tries to parrot without looking like he is which is just underhanded. He has not taken a decision that goes against the flow of the town's thought process. He calls out posts that he thinks are scummy but doesn't explain WHY he thinks they are scummy. He also pulls up the RVS post that everyone has an effing problem with. Then he tries to advice dog OS and add a little jab that saying even a n00b such as J would think to lead false trails. Then he asks a question that has been asked all day but OS has ignored it and should know that he would ignore that question or answer it with his cookie cutter "Cuz Gheb is scum." response.
I could call this wagon on me an entire dictionary of insults but I'm just gonna keep this to a single word that explains it all: Stupid. Not a single person has decided to explain to me nor anyone else why I am scum BESIDES just cuz. The reasons why people think I am scum are as follows.
1.) An RVS post I made.
2.) My Kuzi defense
3.) Asking people to ask me questions
4.) ....
I'm drawing a blank after 3 because that is all people just have been repeating with nothing else to add to the current argument.
Zen
Chibo
OS
Dark Horse
Mentos/Gova
Swiss
X1-12
Gheb
Nabe
I'm good with anyone in the red.
Nabe I have not mentioned why he is the top of my scum-pick this game. He comes into the game saying that he will be following Swiss all game just parroting him and the part about this that is a kicker is that he has been for the most part! Nabe has also been acting scummy by only talking when it seems good for him to be able to talk and is trying to dissuade both my lynch and Gheb's lynch and adding the third option Gova to the mix. Most of his posts are just tiny one-liners that show no info whatsoever into them and when Nabe is town, he loves to speak his mind on what is going on and tell what is going down but ever since he has come into the game he has been playing Mr. Peanut Gallery. Only lately has he started to speak up more. I also do not like his proclamation to OS that Gheb is not scum and that he cannot possibly see that he is mafia. Anything is possible but he shuts off his mind to other situations just like Zen/OS have done with their tunnel targets. His reasoning however is even weaker/non-existant as Zen's and OS'. Then he says Gova is scum and needs to be lynched and provides no reasoning as to why he should be lynched besides the typical answer that everyone uses on their picks "They are scum because they are scum." This phrase is letting people getting away with calling people scum for no reason whatsoever and it is driving me insane to no end. It's ********. Nabe is playing actively anti-town and scummy to the highest degree to me at the moment and deserves to die. That is where my vote is currently and that is where my vote is staying till I can see something better. I am not opposed to a Gheb lynch and would be happy to hammer him but I want a Nabe lynch.
