Lylat System - A Fox Compendium | New Fox Players look here. Major Updates (7/8/10)

[Red Arremer]

Hello Fox players old and new! Are you looking for information? Searching for a specific thread about a technique? Wanted to add something to a discussion? Look no further, as this is the amazing Fox directory thread. General Pepper summed it up quite nicely: This will be a "Base of Operations". Every important thread will be linked here.

I have deleted all old/outdated threads with bad information and updated the links accordingly.

Thanks for your support!

Complete Guides to using Fox, frame data and Q&A.

Uzi's Fox 101 - Guide to Fox/Frame Data
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=228287

Fox Q&A Thread!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205299

This section involves general things and socializing inside of the Fox Boards.

Fox General Discussion
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=229084

This section contains strategy guides and threads about certain techniques.

General
The 3 Phases of a Fox Game
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=189245

In-Depth and Move Guides
Video Guide: Ledge and Illusion Tactics (<- read the thread too, please)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=243650

The Keys to be getting better and not be "just another Fox"
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205043

Do a Barrell Roll! Fox Tactics
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=212572

Advantage McCloud
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=6262010

Fox and the Quick Kill
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=229408

Lylatic Assault ~ Keys to Advance as Fox
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214571

Fox Moveset Tierlist
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=207988

The Backflip of Death ~ An Up Smash chart
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=217682

Fox Kill Guide
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=163382

Momentum Cancelling Correctly with Fox
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=239489

Lylatic Defense ~ A Fox Throw Guide
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214534

Fastest Pivot Grab in the Game
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=203431

A Short Guide to DAir
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=186378

Players
A Deconstruction of the Japanese Fox
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=204958

Perfect Chaos IV (A breakdown of a good Fox)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=232487

This section contains information to ATs, combos and several other things that can be helpful when playing Fox.

JJC'ing ~ Jab Jab Cancelling
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=231749

Complete List of all Fox Combos (WIP)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=228287

The Delux Sunshine Combo
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=240256

Reflector Cancelling
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=199512

This section contains topics related to competitive discussion on Fox, such as matchups or stages.

Matchups
The Fox Matchup Index
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=232907

Stages
Fox's Stage Discussion - A Community Project
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=280343

Others
The Official Fox Doubles Thread
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=221865

Japanese Fox Videos & Tier List
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=203589

 

[Sukai]

Looking epic.

 

[Scinn]

lots of info I likes.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

wow o.o

10wows

 

[718_ROOKI3]

Amazing wows

 

[DarkAura]

ultimate wows

 

[Red Arremer]

Glad you like it.

I put the AT/Techniques stuff in an own section, and am very tempted to add a cute Fox + Falco or Fox + Wolf fanart as last bit. >:3

 

[Zephil]

Wow excellent work dude. Amazing, keep up the good work

 

[Sukai]

Hey!
I helped!
:<

 

[DarkAura]

spade that fox and wolf picture made me laugh so hard... nice pic lol

 

[Red Arremer]

Everyone loves Wolf+Fox pictures ;3

 

[Scinn]

ROFL!
10rofl
that pic is too good.

 

[Sukai]

I don't know, I'm kinda disturbed about that grin on Wolf's face.
Just what is he planning?

 

[Zhamy]

I had a really really old guide to the Dair that is mostly elementary information, but might be worth looking into. I have no idea what abysmal recesses of the internet it's fallen into, but it's somewhere on these boards.

Other than that, this is looking good.

 

[RPK]

Yay for everything. Except the picture >_<

 

[Curaga]

Thank you for everything.

AND the picture.

 

[Red Arremer]

I had a really really old guide to the Dair that is mostly elementary information, but might be worth looking into. I have no idea what abysmal recesses of the internet it's fallen into, but it's somewhere on these boards.

Other than that, this is looking good.

I'll add it, but I asked to tell me that stuff via wall message so the thread doesn't clutter up. <_<

Godot: Of course I have the evidence to back it up, Your Honor.

Yay for everything. Except the picture >_<

Exhibit A: A man with bad taste.

Thank you for everything.

AND the picture.

Exhibit B: A man with good taste.

 

[Sukai]

"Good" and "Bad" doesn't apply here, because the picture in question is not conventional.
Thus an acquired taste is what is more or less to be had.
And suspicious furry yaoi definitely is an acquired taste.
*insert Phoenix Wright sprite gif*

 

[Red Arremer]

Yaoi? I don't see any homoerotic sexual intercourse, not even hinted. It's not even Shonen-Ai (to stay with the Japanese terms).
All I see is Wolf pinning down Fox on Final Destination having a mischievous grin and Fox being startled by it and Falco in his Landmaster yelling "Hands of my prey!".

To give you an example how it could have ended like that: Wolf pins down Fox on Final Destination, grinning as he finally has his arch-rival in grasp after all those years, about to give the next strike. Fox is surprised that Wolf got him so easily, while Falco, being in the fight as well, wants to beat Fox up himself and tells Wolf to get off of his victim.

There, nothing sexual in this situation.

 

[Sukai]

Something sexual can be implied.
Which is why I used the term 'suspicious'.

 

[Red Arremer]

Something sexual can be implied into pretty much every situation.

 

[Sukai]

But the viability of what is implied varies on the content thereof, following the same logic as the mantra "Anything that can be used as a weapon, is."
Here we have two capable characters, curled up against each other, disobeying any law of personal space.
Such things can be implied without seeming radical.

 

[Zephil]

why so much discussion about a pic... geez :D

 

[Sukai]

why so much discussion about a pic... geez :D

Shush.
We're having fun.

 

[Red Arremer]

But the viability of what is implied varies on the content thereof, following the same logic as the mantra "Anything that can be used as a weapon, is."
Here we have two capable characters, curled up against each other, disobeying any law of personal space.
Such things can be implied without seeming radical.

Well. I gave a possible explanation in which the picture could be seen in an absolutely unsexual way. Considering that both of these are arch-rivals and located in a fighting arena, I would conclude that the sexual interests or goals of both of them are actually not important, especially keeping in mind that the third character is boosting at them while sitting in a tank. If a tank approached me I'd never think of making out with the person I just pinned down, whether I'd like to or not. I, though, would be able to knock out my enemy and perhaps have him run over by the tank. That wouldn't be too far off.

Now, of course, you can conclude a sexual goal in Wolf's case since he has pinned down Fox and has a mischievous grin on his face. However, that is just another possible interpretation of the current situation. Keeping in mind all hard facts - the characters' relations to each other, their current location and the god**** tank right next to them, I'd rather think the conclusion would not lead into intimacy, but rather into hostility. Unless, of course, you want to see sexuality hinted behind it.

The end.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

Well. I gave a possible explanation in which the picture could be seen in an absolutely unsexual way. Considering that both of these are arch-rivals and located in a fighting arena, I would conclude that the sexual interests or goals of both of them are actually not important, especially keeping in mind that the third character is boosting at them while sitting in a tank. If a tank approached me I'd never think of making out with the person I just pinned down, whether I'd like to or not. I, though, would be able to knock out my enemy and perhaps have him run over by the tank. That wouldn't be too far off.

Now, of course, you can conclude a sexual goal in Wolf's case since he has pinned down Fox and has a mischievous grin on his face. However, that is just another possible interpretation of the current situation. Keeping in mind all hard facts - the characters' relations to each other, their current location and the god**** tank right next to them, I'd rather think the conclusion would not lead into intimacy, but rather into hostility. Unless, of course, you want to see sexuality hinted behind it.

The end.

lol, too good

*applauds*

 

[Sukai]

*Applauds*

That tank saved your ***.

 

[Apollo$]

The picture was hilarious

 

[Zephil]

ok when I need a lawyer I will call you Spadefox xD

 

[Red Arremer]

*Applauds*

That tank saved your ***.

But of course. Unlike a certain defense attorney I'm not an amateur. That tank didn't save me, you were just not noticing it. I pointed out your contradiction.

 

[Sukai]

Haha, nah, I could have destroyed that tank, writing it off as a mere transportation vehicle, as one would never sensibly come to save a conrad, riding a powerful armed vehicle (such as a tank) with intents on using it.
Even further, I could have strengthened my point using Falco's words, referring to Fox--the captive--as his prey, which can be paraphrased to many things, intercourse included. I don't feel like tackling it on the Wii browser. Too much work.

So again, the tank saved your ***, but not because I couldn't tear it down, but because I don't feel like it.

 

[Zephil]

Haha, nah, I could have destroyed that tank, writing it off as a mere transportation vehicle, as one would never sensibly come to save a conrad, riding a powerful armed vehicle (such as a tank) with intents on using it.
Even further, I could have strengthened my point using Falco's words, referring to Fox--the captive--as his prey, which can be paraphrased to many things, intercourse included. I don't feel like tackling it on the Wii browser. Too much work.

So again, the tank saved your ***, but not because I couldn't tear it down, but because I don't feel like it.

flagged for sexual content

 

[Red Arremer]

Haha, nah, I could have destroyed that tank, writing it off as a mere transportation vehicle, as one would never sensibly come to save a conrad, riding a powerful armed vehicle (such as a tank) with intents on using it.
Even further, I could have strengthened my point using Falco's words, referring to Fox--the captive--as his prey, which can be paraphrased to many things, intercourse included. I don't feel like tackling it on the Wii browser. Too much work.

So again, the tank saved your ***, but not because I couldn't tear it down, but because I don't feel like it.

Ahahaha. You're kidding, right?
We know the exact purpose of the tank. The location is Final Destination, a fighting arena. It is small enough for Falco to run from one end to the other one in a matter of seconds. Getting out a tank for transportation would be unnecessary, especially since this tank takes up a big chunk of the location anyway, and summoning the vehicle, getting into it, and leaving it again would take longer for him than going on foot.
What we know, as well, is that Fox and Falco are in a deep rivalry and Falco tends to be a huge douchebag. In conclusion, using a tank to get at Fox could be overkill even for Falco, but I wouldn't exclude the possibility at all.
Furthermore, we don't know the exact meaning of the wording - maybe it is meant as "prey" for fighting, since Falco wants to outbeat Fox? Additionally to this, we don't even know whom the words are directed at, or whom Falco is targetting overall. Maybe it is Wolf, after all, and he doesn't want Fox to beat their arch-nemesis, mistaking or overlooking the fact that it is Wolf who has the upper hand. Falco isn't known for his accuracy in terms of observation.
As you already said, the phrase he uses can be paraphrased to lots of things, but we don't know the exact meaning behind them, thus keeping us from exactly determining how they are related to the case at hand.
I forgot to mention earlier that Wolf usually is depicted with a mischievous or cocky grin on his face, as this is his personality, as well.

Again, I would present you the evidence we have:
The location being a fighting arena. The characters being in a hostile to rivaling relationship to each other. Wolf pinning down his longtimed arch-rival with a cocky grin as we usually see on his face. Falco approaching the fighters in a tank instead of being on foot, yelling "Hands off my prey!".

Wolf's smirk is completely unrelated to the case at hand. The target as well as the exact meaning of Falco's words cannot be exactly concluded, thus we have to establish a case we can be sure of including all evidence we definitely have. The only possible explanation is the non-erotic way, as the location, hostility between the characters and the mere existence of this tank cannot give away any intimate interests.

I rest my case.

 

[Sukai]

flagged for sexual content

*checks SWF Global Rules*
So...you reported my post for having the word "intercourse" in it, in a debate of no seriousness?
Good luck with that.

I didn't want to do this, but I shall attack the fourth wall!
*crowd gasps*
Take into figure that this is fanart, the primary rule is that the artist is able to override whatever universe they put the characters in.
The evidence can be viewed as such, because save for Fox, the fighters have shown no proof of their sexual orientation. Rivalry has commonly been used to overshadow intimate desires. Such desires can build to fruition if said opportunities arise, defining Wolf's grin as an opportunity he is ready to take.
You say Falco has bad accuracy, do you not? Then that hurts the viability of his weapon, rival or no, Fox is his friend and he wouldn't kill him or put him in any further danger than he is already in, so the giant tank is once again reduced to transportation, as the landmaster is excellent for travel.

I'll leave it to you to put 2 and 2 together.

 

[Red Arremer]

I didn't want to do this, but I shall attack the fourth wall!
*crowd gasps*
Take into figure that this is fanart, the primary rule is that the artist is able to override whatever universe they put the characters in.
The evidence can be viewed as such, because save for Fox, the fighters have shown no proof of their sexual orientation. Rivalry has commonly been used to overshadow intimate desires. Such desires can build to fruition if said opportunities arise, defining Wolf's grin as an opportunity he is ready to take.
You say Falco has bad accuracy, do you not? Then that hurts the viability of his weapon, rival or no, Fox is his friend and he wouldn't kill him or put him in any further danger than he is already in, so the giant tank is once again reduced to transportation, as the landmaster is excellent for travel.

I'll leave it to you to put 2 and 2 together.

Before I break your fourth wall argument, first I want to, once again, point out the size of Final Destination. The arena is very small, and using a tank to travel on it would not speed the process up but slow it down, since Falco first has to summon the vehicle, get into it, stop it, and then get out of it again.
Then, I would ask you to not put words in my mouth, as I said he had bad observational accuracy, meaning that he maybe has concluded that Fox is having the upper hand in this moment, not Wolf, just in case he aimed his sentence at Wolf. However, you should disregard what Falco is saying, since we can't determine how it is meant, and whom it is meant for. The sentence is the only piece of evidence we cannot use, since it's too vague.

Now to get to your fourth wall argument. First of all, why do you imply the artist had the intention of creating erotic fanart? It can be, just as well, meant to have the situation I have explained several times already. We don't know the intention of the artist just as we don't know the goal of Falco's line. All we have is the evidence.

I'll give you your argument of not showing exact sexuality, though that applies for Fox as well (since he could still be bisexual). I also remember Falco being romantically involved with Katt Monroe in Star Fox Command and Star Fox 64.

Furthermore, knowing Wolf's personality and goals very well, I'm safe to say that his goal is to defeat Fox and humiliating him. Although it is a possibility to achieve this through a sexual way, I doubt that Wolf, being the brute and space mercenary he is, would choose this way over just killing or hurting Fox by using non-sexual violence.

However, before we get into theorycrafting about Wolf's and Falco's goals, I still would like you to look at the tank. This tank's only purpose is that of desctruction, as we already were able to determine - using it for transportation would make no sense at all due to the time it would take. Even if Wolf had the desire to sexually assault Fox, there would still be a freaking tank. I wouldn't even think of getting aroused if a tank would be close to me and its pilot is yelling at me. Whatever there is on Wolf's mind, I doubt it's pulling off pants and doing stuff with the exposed body regions.

That is all.

 

[Sukai]

This is an epic debate.
My rebuttal is too long using a stupid Wiimote, I'll get back to you.
24 hour recess!

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

this thread has more win that i thought was possible.

 

[Zhamy]

DISREGARD EVERYTHING KNUXROUGE AND SPADEFOX ARE SAYING; THEY SUCK ****.

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

DISREGARD EVERYTHING KNUXROUGE AND SPADEFOX ARE SAYING; THEY SUCK ****.

LMAO!

 

[Red Arremer]

DISREGARD EVERYTHING KNUXROUGE AND SPADEFOX ARE SAYING; THEY SUCK ****.

You're mean. After all I went through to make this thread. ;_;