Luigi's Changes from Brawl to SSB4

[GamerGuy09]

From SSB WIKI:

So far, Luigi has undergone many visual changes to his attacks, but appear to be the same. He has also gained a new Final Smash.

• Luigi has gained the ability to wall jump.
• Forward aerial appears to have greater range and knockback.
• Green Missile now cancels when charged past maximum.
• Luigi has a new jumping animation where he scuttles, similar to what he does in the Mario games.
• Neutral attack's first two jabs appear to have new animations.
  • The final hit will also send Luigi forward.
• Luigi has a new down throw, where he throws the opponent on the ground and forcefully sits on the opponent, similar to King Dedede's down throw.

Like Mario, Luigi has a more cartoonish and sleeker appearance instead of the more realistic look he had in Brawl, that's more inline with his appearance in the Mario games. Like King Dedede and several other characters, his facial expressiveness has been exaggerated even further to reflect his characteristic cowardliness. Unlike previous installments, Luigi's chest will always be facing the foreground, just like Mario.

Do you think the ability to Wall Jump will affect Luigi's viability? Also his Forward Air is seemingly way better.

Green Missile cancel is pretty awesome, and I wish I could see the new Down Throw.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

His down throw is very nice. It looks like a nice combo starter.

Luigi's combo game actually seems a lot better in this game in general. I think he was able to continuously up tilt his opponent and then go into an up air or even Luigi Cyclone. His down tilt pops the player into the air, so I think follow ups are possible. Luigi just needs to find a way to break his opponent's defenses so he can start doing those potential combos.

 

[Yonder]

Apparently his dash attack is the best in game now, from a few (I was afraid to use it when I played thinking it was bad still)

 

[GamerGuy09]

Apparently his dash attack is the best in game now, from a few (I was afraid to use it when I played thinking it was bad still)

Wait what? How is that even possible? Are you sure they weren't being Sarcastic?

 

[Yonder]

Wait what? How is that even possible? Are you sure they weren't being Sarcastic?

Nope, a few opinions from around me while playing noticed that if you land the first hit, the rest are guaranteed, can lead to some combos or something. Amazing Ampharos I think his name was on here has a detailed post on it saying it's the best dash attack in game too.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Nope, a few opinions from around me while playing noticed that if you land the first hit, the rest are guaranteed, can lead to some combos or something. Amazing Ampharos I think his name was on here has a detailed post on it saying it's the best dash attack in game too.

I need to see his new Down Throw and his upgraded Dash Attack in action, know any videos?

 

[Yonder]

I need to see his new Down Throw and his upgraded Dash Attack in action, know any videos?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XZYVxxHE-5k

That down throw definitely leads to combos too. Dash attack isn't used super effectively in this video though. He grabs with one hand now too, for whatever reason.

 

[GamerGuy09]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XZYVxxHE-5k

That down throw definitely leads to combos too. Dash attack isn't used super effectively in this video though. He grabs with one hand now too, for whatever reason.

Holy jeez, I was worried that Luigi would not get any changes. Theses changes are HUGE for Luigi players. That Down Throw is SO GOOD!

Sakurai and his Balance team knows what's up. I would even guess that all of the characters are like in A Tier and some are in B Tier now, but all characters might finally Viable!

 

[Yonder]

Holy jeez, I was worried that Luigi would not get any changes. Theses changes are HUGE for Luigi players. That Down Throw is SO GOOD!

Sakurai and his Balance team knows what's up. I would even guess that all of the characters are like in A Tier and some are in B Tier now, but all characters might finally Viable!

A lot of impressions say Zelda is somehow worse than Brawl in this game so far...I didn't use her so I wouldn't know. Other than that, yeah. I used Luigi in Smash run and FFA. I can definitely say he's faster. Also has a bit more traction. That could just be the game physics though. F Smash still has stupid good knockback too.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

If Luigi can find a really good way to cover ground and get through his opponent's defenses, he'll be amazing.

 

[GamerGuy09]

If Luigi can find a really good way to cover ground and get through his opponent's defenses, he'll be amazing.

Remember, he keeps his Brawl Down-B. Which moves pretty damn fast.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

I can't wait to see what combos Luigi players will pull off.

 

[crazyhandmasterhand]

I actually got to try out Luigi myself at the Best Buy demo I went to and can definitely say that he feels REALLY good to use in this game! I pretty much always used Luigi, so I felt at home regardless, but yes his Dash attack is crazy in how much more useful it is compared to the other 3 Smash games. I too was excited about the Down throw that looks like a ground pound now.

He also has a few aesthetic things like when he comes to a stop after running, he goes into a similar animation as that from Smash 64 where comes to a skid, haha.

His Luigi Cyclone does not seem to push/fling characters away anymore when used in the air, but rather it pulls them in for more hits, more akin to the ground version. It also does not travel as far horizontally when on the ground, but it is still a good recovery move.

Another particular thing I noticed was that he can slide upon landing from the freefall of his Up B. I landed on a slope, so maybe it was just that, but I'm pretty sure Luigi just planted on the ground when landing from an Up B in Brawl.
Those are my two cents on Luigi there.

 

[GamerGuy09]

I actually got to try out Luigi myself at the Best Buy demo I went to and can definitely say that he feels REALLY good to use in this game! I pretty much always used Luigi, so I felt at home regardless, but yes his Dash attack is crazy in how much more useful it is compared to the other 3 Smash games. I too was excited about the Down throw that looks like a ground pound now.

He also has a few aesthetic things like when he comes to a stop after running, he goes into a similar animation as that from Smash 64 where comes to a skid, haha.

His Luigi Cyclone does not seem to push/fling characters away anymore when used in the air, but rather it pulls them in for more hits, more akin to the ground version. It also does not travel as far horizontally when on the ground, but it is still a good recovery move.

Another particular thing I noticed was that he can slide upon landing from the freefall of his Up B. I landed on a slope, so maybe it was just that, but I'm pretty sure Luigi just planted on the ground when landing from an Up B in Brawl.
Those are my two cents on Luigi there.

I seriously can't fathom the words "Luigi's Dash Attack" and "Useful" in the same sentence.

 

[crazyhandmasterhand]

I seriously can't fathom the words "Luigi's Dash Attack" and "Useful" in the same sentence.

Hahaha, I could not believe it either until I got to try it out. Hopefully it will stay this way up until the final release of the game!

 

[Yonder]

I know, when I heard Luigi has not only a good dash attack, but potentially the BEST one, I couldn't believe it either!

Oh, also I think Luigi's fireball is 1.5 times faster. Could be just me.

 

[Folt]

I think probably the biggest change I'm gonna have to get used to is to not think of his dash attack as essentially "garbage" now.

Other than that, love his new jab and grab animations, and his new d-throw.

 

[Shmebulock]

I'm looking forward to his new Down Grab, although I will miss being able to down-grab to up/back/n-air.

 

[Luigi#1]

Would this be enough to send him into D-C tier? I never really payed attention to tiers...

 

[Bedoop]

Would this be enough to send him into D-C tier? I never really payed attention to tiers...

Having a guaranteed-fullhit-multihit-combo as a Dash Attack plus a new Down Throw that can Combo (plus more Range + Missle Fakeout) will probably send him into B-Tier upwards.

 

[Yonder]

Eh, still having poor range against sword is still going to make it hard for him to get in, and depends on how much he slides back when powershielded. Fireball is better, but still not what I would call good. Still gimpable too. His overall speed may be faster, but so is everyone else's.

He does seem better in this game, but if he doesn't get out of middle tier due to the same problems in Brawl to a lesser extent) I wouldn't be surprise.

Luigi just doesn't have anything super exploitable like most top tiers (bananas, priority, range, lasers,etc etc)

 

[DoubleYooToo]

It'd be good if his fireball moved in a Sin pattern, so as to cover more vertical range while still being consistently horizontal

 

[Exegguter]

Isn't his bair buffed by a lot aswell? More damage and killing power?

Having a dthrow to upb guaranteed (if possible) is pretty sick as well. It boosts luigi's killing range in the 80% area or even less against smaller characters.

Btw what does dash combo in?

I'm most definitely using Luigi in smash 4.

 

[JFM2796]

I'm guessing Double Jump Cancelling is out? Luigi's new double jump looks like it might have been able to do that.

 

[Yonder]

Isn't his bair buffed by a lot aswell? More damage and killing power?

Having a dthrow to upb guaranteed (if possible) is pretty sick as well.

That would be too good to be true, any move that guarantees an up B from Luigi would be pretty broken (I guess jab is the closest...especially on Ivysaur.)

Yeah, I think his bair is about 14-16%, but don't quote me on that.

 

[Luigi#1]

That would be too good to be true, any move that guarantees an up B from Luigi would be pretty broken (I guess jab is the closest...especially on Ivysaur.)

Yeah, I think his bair is about 14-16%, but don't quote me on that.

14. I checked in a gameplay video.

 

[Exegguter]

That would be too good to be true, any move that guarantees an up B from Luigi would be pretty broken (I guess jab is the closest...especially on Ivysaur.)

Yeah, I think his bair is about 14-16%, but don't quote me on that.

True. Remember falcon and jiggs in melee though (knee and rest). Or ice climbers in brawl that could kill of 0% with 1 grab. I wouldn't be surprised if Luigi will have the magic combination this time. From the looks of the gameplay video dthrow to any aireal/down b seemed possible. Why not upb?

 

[Twewy]

"Luigi has a new down throw, where he throws the opponent on the ground and forcefully sits on the opponent, similar to King Dedede's down throw. "

I'm calling this the Rear of Luigi and you can't stop me.

 

[Folt]

Saw a Luigi player do a dash attack on the current twitch stream against Zelda. Twice in a row. Which knocked her off the stage to the right.

They were playing on the train stage so she landed on the rails and got KO'd almost immediately. It was awesome!

 

[STiCKYBULL3TZ]

Luigi's double jump is that foot-flutter like Yoshi.... Interesting. Seems like that would make his double-jump similar in mechanics too. Maybe double-jump cancelling then right?

And not only does the dash attack lock you in but it has some decent knockback too on the last hit(Not sure if it did that in Brawl). It still looks very punishable on block tho

 

[Luigi#1]

Luigi's double jump is that foot-flutter like Yoshi.... Interesting. Seems like that would make his double-jump similar in mechanics too. Maybe double-jump cancelling then right?

And not only does the dash attack lock you in but it has some decent knockback too on the last hit(Not sure if it did that in Brawl). It still looks very punishable on block tho

From what I've seen it doesn't work like Yoshi's jump, and that makes sense, as that isn't how it is in the game.

 

[Twewy]

Luigi's double jump is that foot-flutter like Yoshi

It's his first jump, his double jump is the flip from earlier games.

 

[STiCKYBULL3TZ]

It's his first jump, his double jump is the flip from earlier games.

Oh gotcha. I should've watched the vid haha. My bad.

 

[ThatGeoDude]

Saw that video. I'm really excited for how the new Luigi is going to play. Looks like he is going to have a ton of potential this time around.

Will probably still have the same problems when it came to approaching in brawl, but we'll see.

 

[Wtfwasthat]

Does anyone have a clear video of the dash attack? How exactly is it as good as everyones saying?

 

[STiCKYBULL3TZ]

Does anyone have a clear video of the dash attack? How exactly is it as good as everyones saying?

They say it's good because after the first hit the rest are guaranteed and you can't DI out of it. The last hit has enough knockback to keep opponents from punishing your ending lag. I can't remember how it is in Brawl but in Melee someone could DI out it or easily punish you even if you got every hit.

 

[Wtfwasthat]

They say it's good because after the first hit the rest are guaranteed and you can't DI out of it. The last hit has enough knockback to keep opponents from punishing your ending lag. I can't remember how it is in Brawl but in Melee someone could DI out it or easily punish you even if you got every hit.

Yesssssss I hope this stays in the final version of the game

 

[ThatGeoDude]

Yesssssss I hope this stays in the final version of the game

Same here! I was never fond of it's older versions lol. I also see that his down grab is beast now! Can't wait to try him out! ^^

 

[DJ Delta]

I heard somewhere that Luigi's up b was significantly nerfed in terms in knockback. Does anybody have any input on this or landed it a few times in the demo to know how strong or weak it is? I ko'd little mac at 100, but I'm not sure how heavy he is. I feel like it's weaker than brawl but a little stronger than melee.

 

[Yonder]

I heard somewhere that Luigi's up b was significantly nerfed in terms in knockback. Does anybody have any input on this or landed it a few times in the demo to know how strong or weak it is? I ko'd little mac at 100, but I'm not sure how heavy he is. I feel like it's weaker than brawl but a little stronger than melee.

I couldn't say, I found it really hard to try and land. If it is weaker, that's bad news if it retains it's cool down from Brawl.

What's they do? Steal some power from the Up B into his now spammed dash attack?