Lucina Thread [Closing]

[Fire Emblemier]

Yea, but that reference is odds in Lucina's favor, I wouldn't give up on her until denied, though anything can happen, by anything I literally mean anything.

 

[Maffewt]

broskis, what if they got rid of Ike and Marth..? I know I'm asking for trouble here, nothing gets a war going like radical FE debates, but think about it:

FE kinda has Pokemon syndrome, in that there is much too many characters who have fantastic potential to choose from, each with many fans who already won't get to see their particular favourite get into the game. So, like pokemon, it makes sense for them to rotate their cast fairly frequently, right? As they do. But, unlike Pokemon, it doesn't have a mascot.. Marth is close, but he's only the defacto face of the series because he's the closest thing they've got. So why don't they stop trying to hang onto him and maybe do what no other series really can... and have a completely new cast. Maybe even every game, but specifically with 4.

Lucina would be perfect for a Lucario-Mewtwo dealy with Marth, she's incredibly popular (more so than Chrom in many places) and she gives Smash a ******** female who doesn't have to be girly-girly/magic/sex appeal. And while I agree it's stupid to put in unnecessary characters just because they're girls, I think if a girl does deserves it and fits the roster they're important to add diversity and let girls have a character to project themselves onto in a way we dudes may take for granted. And I think Lucina deserves it more than any leading Nintendo chick for yonks.

Then throw in Chrom (Father-daughter face off would be FANTASTIC) as an Ike/Roy equivalent (though Ike seems too popular to replace...) and as the starter-roster rep for the newest game. Can't he also use Aether?

And possibly a third, because FE is the only series that I think has taken a popularity jump since the last game. But not another swordsman with blue hair. that's the main reason I don't want Ike/Marth/one of the above two to be the setup. FE has characters of all sizes, ages, sexes, skin colours, hair colours and abilities... swords, axes, lances, bows, magic... and we end up with how many blue-haired swordsman. I think Micaih'd be the bomb but I'd be worried she'd be a Zelda clone.

Soz for essay. Any thoughts?

 

[loganhogan]

Lucina does not have to replace Marth, she can co-exist with him.

 

[Maffewt]

OTrue, but I'm just throwing out the idea that she replaced him. To FE fans (ie. peeps ITT) they're clearly defined, individual characters. But to those who aren't, Lucina will seem like the exact same character put a girl, and the Emblem series as a whole will seem like lots of blue-haired people fighting with swords. Both the character and series will suffer as a result. Sakurai has spoken a lot about how making characters seem individual is becoming difficult, and I imagine if Marth is kept in it will hurt Lucina's chances heavily - and I for one would much rather Lucina.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

broskis, what if they got rid of Ike and Marth..? I know I'm asking for trouble here, nothing gets a war going like radical FE debates, but think about it:

FE kinda has Pokemon syndrome, in that there is much too many characters who have fantastic potential to choose from, each with many fans who already won't get to see their particular favourite get into the game. So, like pokemon, it makes sense for them to rotate their cast fairly frequently, right? As they do. But, unlike Pokemon, it doesn't have a mascot.. Marth is close, but he's only the defacto face of the series because he's the closest thing they've got. So why don't they stop trying to hang onto him and maybe do what no other series really can... and have a completely new cast. Maybe even every game, but specifically with 4.

Lucina would be perfect for a Lucario-Mewtwo dealy with Marth, she's incredibly popular (more so than Chrom in many places) and she gives Smash a *****ing female who doesn't have to be girly-girly/magic/sex appeal. And while I agree it's stupid to put in unnecessary characters just because they're girls, I think if a girl does deserves it and fits the roster they're important to add diversity and let girls have a character to project themselves onto in a way we dudes may take for granted. And I think Lucina deserves it more than any leading Nintendo chick for yonks.

Then throw in Chrom (Father-daughter face off would be FANTASTIC) as an Ike/Roy equivalent (though Ike seems too popular to replace...) and as the starter-roster rep for the newest game. Can't he also use Aether?

And possibly a third, because FE is the only series that I think has taken a popularity jump since the last game. But not another swordsman with blue hair. that's the main reason I don't want Ike/Marth/one of the above two to be the setup. FE has characters of all sizes, ages, sexes, skin colours, hair colours and abilities... swords, axes, lances, bows, magic... and we end up with how many blue-haired swordsman. I think Micaih'd be the bomb but I'd be worried she'd be a Zelda clone.

Soz for essay. Any thoughts?

All of this has some possibility but I wouldn't say its probable as Marth is pretty important to the series (especially in japan).
Pokemon and FE character are treated a bit differently though. With pokemon you have hundreds that are all vastly insignificant to the series so they look for whatever excuse they can to include them. FE has many vasty important characters all with good reasons to be in so this creates even more controversy.

Micaiah would have a hard time getting in without Ike who is the star of the tellius series. Go with the Fe13 avatar for a third rep. He/shes not limited to light magic for one. He represents the FE core function of being a strategy role playing game and the custom avatar system we're seeing more of. Plus among awakening fans the robe is iconic and recognizable.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I rather have the the avatar rather than Micaiah, because I feel he would be a better addition with all the Awakening fans, I just hope they keep Ike because if they do, Nintendo will get no sympathy from me.

 

[Maffewt]

I really liked the Tactician thread, I agree she would be more interesting that Micaiah.

Also, I found a quote from Gingerbread Man in response to people asking him about the Tactician's competition (Lyn and Roy, namely). I think it captures what I was thinking exactly:

"Alright then.


First off, Lyn made it in as an assist trophy, not a character. All that's changed since then is Lyn was included in the fire emblem awakening DLC, which really isn't anything to brag about; most lords were. If they didn't include her in Brawl she wont be in smash4. Shes even more irrelevant now than she was then. Once again the DLC isn't that flattering and her character redesign is simply to match Say'ri's character who wears that outfit but in a different color.
The thing about fire emblem is that its not consistent with its protagonist. At the end of FE7 people accepted there would be no more Eliwood, Hector or Lyn. At the end of FE8, no Ephraim or Erika. At the end of FE10 no more Ike.
Do you really think if we ever reach something like SSB7 we'd be stuck with Roy or even Ike? All other FE lords cast to the side because of the popularity Ike and Roy gained IN smashbros? Of course there will be a Link but that's because that's all there is.
The nature of fire emblem is to move on. If there's a SSB5 I expect Chrom and this tactician to most likely be cut to make way for new FE protagonists to take the stage.

I get it. People love Roy, they love Ike and they love Lyn. They were in smash and smash fans don't want to let them go. But people will like whoever else they add in. They always do and they always will. Roy in fact was loved by nobody when he was added. Why? Because melee came out 4 months before Sword of Seals did. Nobody even knew who he was during development.
So I do expect Roy to be gone and maybe even Ike. Don't get me wrong, I loved those games and its characters but its time the other FE character receive their turn.
Personally I think it would be nice to go back to brawl or melee every now and then to see those old similar faces. Something to reminisce about."

That's my take of how FE should be represented in smashbros.

That's more or less why I think FE having heavy cast rotation would be a good idea. Almost all of the Roy fans almost definitely owe their love of him to smash bros, and I bet more than would admit it have the same case with Ike. People would end up loving the new characters, they always do. I personally love going back to Melee just to play as Roy, Mewtwo and young Link, on stages that aren't in Brawl, and I think if every character from Brawl is included in 4 then it would detract from Brawl's legacy. We need something to go back to.

And I mean, they can't keep Ike and Marth forever. Like the quote says, so we really see em making it to SSB7? The alternative is having a butt-ton of FE characters, which it wouldn't really deserve. Unless we had a butt-ton added for all the other series, in which case they roseter as a whole would be bloated, unbalanced and the characters you want would be lost amidst the crowd anyways.

..I like Tactician though

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Yeah, but I feel, Ike is arguably the most popular Lord in the series especially, here in the U.S., Roy was supposed to be in Brawl, but there wasn't enough time to put him in. Plus, it wouldn't make sense to remove Ike for his personnel moveset, that's why Dr. Mario, Pichu, and young link weren't in they didn't have a unique moveset like Ike. Ike's moveset doesn't fit Chrom or any other Fire Emblem lord. Now to get back on topic Lucina would be a wonderful addition in my opinion, and we got Fastblade making the rest of the Alt. colors.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

But people will like whoever else they add in. They always do and they always will. R

This statement is DEAD wrong.
Doc, Pichu and Young Link WERE NOT liked.
People will not like whoever is included. We do have standards.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

The thing about fire emblem is that its not consistent with its protagonist. At the end of FE7 people accepted there would be no more Eliwood, Hector or Lyn. At the end of FE8, no Ephraim or Erika. At the end of FE10 no more Ike.

Most of us still won't accept they ended, most of us FE fans want continuation of are favorite units story. That is why we speculate and write Fan-Fics.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

This statement is DEAD wrong.
Doc, Pichu and Young Link WERE NOT liked.
People will not like whoever is included. We do have standards.

Its in the context of Fire Emblem. With its style and portrayal of characters you'd be lying if you said people wont like a character.

That aside, doesn't Doc have a lot of fans?

 

[Maffewt]

This statement is DEAD wrong.
Doc, Pichu and Young Link WERE NOT liked.
People will not like whoever is included. We do have standards.

Of course, I don't mean stick in any oul yoke. But with regards FE, the key lords always have a fanbase. What I meant was, if they did take out Marth and/or Ike, as much as many people would miss them the majority would get over it and love the new characters. Plenty of people miss Roy, but that doesn't mean his exclusion ruined the game or that they couldn't like Ike. Shoulda made that clearer.

Though for the record, I and many of my friends liked Doc, and Roy and Young Link were my favourites, so this isn't me not getting what its like to miss em.

Not Pichu, though. **** him.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Its in the context of Fire Emblem. With its style and portrayal of characters you'd be lying if you said people wont like a character.

That aside, doesn't Doc have a lot of fans?

Doc has more naysayers than fans.

Alright G-Man (Can I call you that? Sounds cool!), Riddle me this.

Would fans be happy if Hafedd was included?

The correct answer is no.

A FE character can't just be added willy-nilly. We need someone who is popular. Marth, Ike, Roy, Chrom, Lyn, Lucina and Robin all fit that criteria. It's just a matter on who's the most popular (which is where the conflict comes from).

Personally I think the roster should be...
Marth
Ike
Roy
FE13 Rep

Everyone wins.
@ Maffewt

Riddle me this.

What would make people happier?

Keeping their favorite stuff WHILE getting cool new stuff?

Or trading their favorite stuff to get stuff they may or may not like?

It's a simple question.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Personally I think the roster should be...
Marth
Ike
Roy
FE13 Rep[/quote]
FE 13rep=LUCINA

 

[Swamp Sensei]

FE 13rep=LUCINA

Sure. Lucina seems the coolest to me, although I'd be satisfied with anyone as long as Marth and Ike stayed and Roy returned.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Doc has more naysayers than fans.

Alright G-Man (Can I call you that? Sounds cool!), Riddle me this.

Would fans be happy if Hafedd was included?

The correct answer is no.

A FE character can't just be added willy-nilly. We need someone who is popular. Marth, Ike, Roy, Chrom, Lyn, Lucina and Robin all fit that criteria. It's just a matter on who's the most popular (which is where the conflict comes from).

Personally I think the roster should be...
Marth
Ike
Roy
FE13 Rep

Everyone wins.

Except he would never be added. The statement I made was ment to assure you that whoever Sakurai adds, people are not going to riot saying this is the worst choice ever. People can be happy with a roster without Roy.

Quite blowing things out of proportion for the sake of proving me wrong. This things your trying to debate has no point Also even if that guy was added, I think some people would like him. They definitely wouldn't be FE fans but if its a playable character, yeah somebody is going to like them even if it isn't you. You should have used somebody who at least doesn't have a lean look. Even that random insgnificant character has some appealing atributes that when combined with the action of being a combatant will be liked. You should have chosen somebody like oliver.
Nobody would like him (unless his moveset adds potential and people enjoy using him as a joke I suppose).

 

[Fastblade5035]

Here's my DREAM FE Roster:

Mahrt
Eik
Luzeenuh
Kremrm
Lin

Here's my REALISTIC FE Roster:
Marth
Ike
FE 13 Rep (Chrom, Lucina, or Robin)
(Maybe Roy?)

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Riddle me this.

What would make people happier?

Keeping their favorite stuff WHILE getting cool new stuff?

Or trading their favorite stuff to get stuff they may or may not like?

It's a simple question.

Extremely flawed, as that's not the question at hand.

 

[Maffewt]

Personally I think the roster should be...
Marth
Ike
Roy
FE13 Rep

Everyone wins.
@ Maffewt

Riddle me this.

What would make people happier?

Keeping their favorite stuff WHILE getting cool new stuff?

Or trading their favorite stuff to get stuff they may or may not like?

It's a simple question.

Man, I already said Roy was my favourite in Melee, I'm not saying keeping everyone wouldn't be awesome, I'm just saying it's not very feasible
Like the point myself and Gingerbreadman made about roster inflation. Four seems a bit much for FE, the only others with 4 are Mario, Zelda and Pokemon - the trifecta of Nintendo supremacy. Like, fair enough that FE has come on leaps and bounds in acclaim and sales since Brawl, more so than almost any other Nintendo series in that interim, but it's not on their level by a long shot. Thinking FE could get 4 reps without changing the representation ratio as it stood in brawl shows FE bias that it's fair enough to expect in this thread, but that isn't realistic.
You could up the other series' numbers in proportion, but that would leave the total well over 50, which would lead to worse imbalance than Brawl had and the characters you're fighting for would get less spotlight and less unique identity anyway - the identity thing in particular when they're all blue-haired, single-sword users from a middle age-y period.
Plus, Sakurai said those kind of numbers won't happen. So the only other way we could keep the old characters would be not to have new ones, which doesn't make sense from a sales perspective or a representation persepective, or to have either the old characters or new characters reduced to costumes - which feels like a bit of a cop out, and costumes aren't even confirmed anyways.

Blech, nevermind, I was just throwing out an aside to the Lucina idea but it's clearly not going down too well

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Except he would never be added. The statement I made was ment to assure you that whoever Sakurai adds, people are not going to riot saying this is the worst choice ever. People can be happy with a roster without Roy.

Quite blowing things out of proportion for the sake of proving me wrong. This things your trying to debate has no point Also even if that guy was added, I think some people would like him. They definitely wouldn't be FE fans but if its a playable character, yeah somebody is going to like them even if it isn't you. You should have used somebody who at least doesn't have a lean look. Even that random insgnificant character has some appealing atributes that when combined with the action of being a combatant will be liked. You should have chosen somebody like oliver.
Nobody would like him (unless his moveset adds potential and people enjoy using him as a joke I suppose).

Except people did riot a bit when Lyn was revealed to be a AT, Roy was not in, Ike was confirmed, etc.

I'm simply using your logic and reasoning against you. You said.

Its in the context of Fire Emblem. With its style and portrayal of characters you'd be lying if you said people wont like a character.

I provided a character they wouldn't like. You agreed to it.

It's a lot more complicated than "the fans will like whoever is added."

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Extremely flawed, as that's not the question at hand.

The wasn't directed towards you. And how is that not the question at hand? He's saying that people would be happy if we got a new FE character at the cost of an old one (which is true). I'm just saying they would be HAPPIER if they got the new guy without giving anything up.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Except people did riot a bit when Lyn was revealed to be a AT, Roy was not in, Ike was confirmed, etc.

I'm simply using your logic and reasoning against you. You said.

Smashbros fans extends outside of these boards. In fact, if you weren't browing the forums you probably had no clue there was a riot. People Rioted because not because somebody was added but somebody wasn't added. As it stands there are more characters people want than can fit.

I provided a character they wouldn't like. You agreed to it.

It's a lot more complicated than "the fans will like whoever is added."

No I believe I said that people would actually like the example you gave. After all just about nobody knew who marth or roy were when western audiences got smash. Roy could have been a random recruited unit in fire emblem and we wouldn't have a clue and he'd still be getting fans. There still a massive audience in smash that is not familiar with fire emblem.

You think nobody would will like this guy? Even in the scope of FE, to stangers he seems unique. He'd appear to have an aged and hardened personality. Granted the FE fanbase would be pissed that a character who has nearly no role in any game is taking a lord's character spot but that wouldn't happen with the examples I wanted to focus on. There would be people who like Hafedd. It could be for his character, fighting technique or style.

My point that I wanted to get across it that Chrom, Lucina, Robin, Lyn, Hector, or ephraim would not be regretted by the average smash player. Only the stubborn, hardcore players here would regret them.

 

[Maffewt]

Except people did riot a bit when Lyn was revealed to be a AT, Roy was not in, Ike was confirmed, etc.

I'm simply using your logic and reasoning against you. You said.

I provided a character they wouldn't like. You agreed to it.

It's a lot more complicated than "the fans will like whoever is added."

I think he meant - and this is the point I was trying to make that I think I didn't put across properly - is that out of all the viable substitutes people won't mind. Like, everyone bar the diehards got over Roy being out of it because Ike was also significant, well-liked, a lord, and fit the smash style. If Ike or Marth were replaced, or Roy didn't get back in, it would more'n likely only be the FE fans who'd be p*ssed. If they were replaced with other worthy central characters, the majority of people would simply be excited to see new characters. I don't think there's been a single character in smash bros with a unique moveset who hasn't found a reasonable fanbase at all, especially not if they're a popular character from a popular series' new installment. Like, I'm sure ha;f the peeps who don't play FE would end up loving even some poop head like Hafedd, even though that isn't the point I'm making.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

The wasn't directed towards you. And how is that not the question at hand? He's saying that people would be happy if we got a new FE character at the cost of an old one (which is true). I'm just saying they would be HAPPIER if they got the new guy without giving anything up.

Lets use the FE13 lords for this example.
This is what your example meant.

Marth, Ike, Roy, Chrom, Lucina, and Robin

Or

Chrom, Lucina and Robin

Don't tell me this isn't flawed.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Lets use the FE13 lords for this example.
This is what your example meant.

Marth, Ike, Roy, Chrom, Lucina, and Robin

Or

Chrom, Lucina and Robin

Don't tell me this isn't flawed.

What?

My example meant.
Marth
Ike
Roy
Chrom OR Lucina OR Robin.

I thought that was clear.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

What?

My example meant.
Marth
Ike
Roy
Chrom OR Lucina OR Robin.

I thought that was clear.

(Old stuff and new stuff) or (old stuff or new stuff) means what I said.
now the example you're giving is going back to square one.

And that's three of Marth, ike, Roy, Chorm, Lucina, or Robin. In the real situation we know who all these characters are and we like them all. There is no trade for stuff we may not like.

It is not a simple question.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Anyways, sorry I derailed the thread. Back to this person. v

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I rather have the the avatar rather than Micaiah, because I feel he would be a better addition with all the Awakening fans, I just hope they keep Ike because if they do, Nintendo will get no sympathy from me.

After my last post I decided to write a Fan Fiction on Ike's journey after RD, I'll put the finished product in the FE discussion thread when I'm done, maybe Lucina's, too

 

[Deleted member]

She's got my support, she's more interesting that Chrom.

May I suggest NOT having Counter as her downB? I'll see if I can cook something up. Anyway, she certainly has her merits.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

She's got my support, she's more interesting that Chrom.

May I suggest NOT having Counter as her downB? I'll see if I can cook something up. Anyway, she certainly has her merits.

You should check out my moveset on the 2nd page, even though it still has counter

 

[Deleted member]

You should check out my moveset on the 2nd page, even though it still has counter

Well, if you wanna work on something for her together, PM me. Have you played FE13?

 

[Shotguner159]

You give her something like PSI Magnet for a Down B, combining Falchion's healing effect with the Aegis skill she can have.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Well, if you wanna work on something for her together, PM me. Have you played FE13?

Yes, and Lucina is my #1 unit and IMO second to Ike in awesomeness

 

[Diddy Kong]

Halberdiers in Smash would be damn. Too good. It's a shame Nephenee didn't open her damn mouth in her games. She could've been royal guard and actually be important and ****.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Re-posting my move-set over here:
I got the special moves:[spoiler/]
B-hold B to charge a horizontal slash that gets more powerful as time goes by.
side B- Lucina's variation of Aether, she runs to a dashing stab that when hits an opponent, she performs a second attack, were she does a jumping slash. (jumping slash is seen using Unit gallery in game)
Up B- The outrealm portal from the other moveset seems viable.
Down B-Counter-like sol/falchion healing.
Final Smash-Foreseer, she predicts "Risen" appear on the battlefield this point in time and escapes, while the opponents are stuck with the risen to deal with, like Pit's or King Dedede's or Olimar's Final smash.
AAA-slash vertically then two horizontal slashes or more it kept pressing
Side Smash-Stab
Up Smash-throws sword up in the air, it spins and she catches it (like in the cutscene in Ch. 4)
Down Smash-Same as Ike's(can't think of one yet)

 

[Diddy Kong]

I could expect Lucina. No worries.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Also if she is added in she would most likely be my main, a good stage to go with her is the outrealm

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Also this can be used if they go with the great lord design to be different than Marth

 

[loganhogan]

What about this Lucina

 

[FalKoopa]

@Lucina concept art
I find it really ironic that Lucina looks quite manly in that picture.