Lucina Thread [Closing]

[Shaymikyu]

Yeah, I'm doing a hard mode run at the moment just to get conversation unlocked, though I'm thinking about restarting and think about the best option while still trying parents pairs that I don't normally do or haven't tried.

I love my original file too much to start over just to get better parents.

I think I can save Henry!Owain looking around, though, and even then, Kjelle's the real star with all she can reap from Donnel. I'm leaning toward what I listed a couple posts ago, plus Sorcerer Owain (Vantage, Tomebreaker, Vengeance, Counter, Wrath) with class-to-be-decided Kjelle (Galeforce, Armsthrift, Dual Support+, Aegis, Pavise), War Cleric Severa (Renewal, Galeforce, Luna, Dual Support+,???) with Taguel Yarne (Luna, Pavise, Beastbane, Lancebreaker, Aegis), or Wyvern Lord Inigo (Sword Breaker, Lance Breaker, Vantage, Wrath, Counter) and ??? Noire (Lifetaker, Vengeance, Tomebreaker, Pavise, Luna). Only two of those three pairings, though (although I could use the third for bigger DLC missions maybe).

 

[BombsOnBombs]

I tried making sense of this thread but I couldn't do it, which generally marks the sign of a good thread.

tl;dr: Hi guys, I have never played Fire Emblem but Lucina has been pretty fun in Sm4sh for me thus far. I played a lot of Roy in Melee and PM so it was a pretty smooth transition for me.

 

[Tacticulbacon]

Yep.

Sup, welcome to the Lucina boards, don't expect to be leaving any time soon.

Celebratory Lucina pic *pops confetti*

 

[Célja]

I tried making sense of this thread but I couldn't do it, which generally marks the sign of a good thread.

tl;dr: Hi guys, I have never played Fire Emblem but Lucina has been pretty fun in Sm4sh for me thus far. I played a lot of Roy in Melee and PM so it was a pretty smooth transition for me.

Welcome to the Lucina thread. We do tend to talk about a whole lot of nothing but every once in a while, we'll actually converse on a topic that's relevant to Lucina (usually it's about Lucina x Robin)

Since you haven't played a Fire Emblem game yet, I would advise playing Awakening here pretty soon. Both to avoid possible spoilers and so you can engage in our silly discusions involving the game. That and the game is really enjoyable if I say so my self. Now if you don't care about spoilers that's one thing, but I'd still advise checking the game out.

Nonetheless, welcome to the thread my fellow Roy player.

 

[BombsOnBombs]

I'm sure I would like Fire Emblem, I play a lot of Disgaea and Final Fantasy Tactics, I just never had Fire Emblem growing up so was never exposed to it.

 

[Fluffyeevee]

Sup, welcome to the Lucina boards, don't expect to be leaving any time soon.

Once you enter, the door is closed. You can never leave. its like a prison of joy and pictures and the occasional thing you can actually reply to.

 

[TheWerdna]

Googling around, it seems like most of my remaining kids had bad parent choices. I was pairing them just for fun in my first run. I'm sure I can make them work, though... The best ones seem to be Libra!Noire (who is paired with Virion!Inigo, who seems meh) and Donnel!Kjelle (though I think I messed up Owain with Henry as the father). Kellam!Severa and Frederick!Yarne seem okay, too. Ricken!Nah apparently messed up one of the better units in the game, and that's what I get for putting them together because their supports are cute. Not sure on Lon'qu!Gerome... I might be better off filling my last four spots with first gens, though.

Henry as Owain's father lets you build the same sorcerer build you gave Laurent. Basically Henry or Libra being either Severa, Owain, or Inigo's father lets you do that build on said child. As an added bonus Gregor also does the same for Severa, and Gregor or Lon'qu enable the build on Laurent. In fact, the former three can get galeforce.

Lon'qu gerome is neither bad nor good. Frederick is actuall good with most kids, since he gives them access to Luna, dual guard, deliverer, aegis among other things, which is a good mix of powerful support, offensive, and defensive abilities.

Donnel!Kjelle would be one of the best combos for her, if not for the fact that Vaike!Kjelle does the same thing while Donnel does greater good as other kids parents. However, broken take build. Sol, Galeforce, Pavise, Aegis, Vantage. Can even drop galeforce for another defensive ability if you really want.

I'm sure I would like Fire Emblem, I play a lot of Disgaea and Final Fantasy Tactics, I just never had Fire Emblem growing up so was never exposed to it.

FE:A was my first Fire Emblem game, though I had played a tone of Final Fantasy Tactics as well *high fives*. But yeah, its a very good intro to the series, and well, we tend to talk about it way too much around these parts.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Henry as Owain's father lets you build the same sorcerer build you gave Laurent. Basically Henry or Libra being either Severa, Owain, or Inigo's father lets you do that build on said child. As an added bonus Gregor also does the same for Severa, and Gregor or Lon'qu enable the build on Laurent. In fact, the former three can get galeforce.

Lon'qu gerome is neither bad nor good. Frederick is actuall good with most kids, since he gives them access to Luna, dual guard, deliverer, aegis among other things, which is a good mix of powerful support, offensive, and defensive abilities.

Donnel!Kjelle would be one of the best combos for her, if not for the fact that Vaike!Kjelle does the same thing while Donnel does greater good as other kids parents. However, broken take build. Sol, Galeforce, Pavise, Aegis, Vantage. Can even drop galeforce for another defensive ability if you really want.


FE:A was my first Fire Emblem game, though I had played a tone of Final Fantasy Tactics as well *high fives*. But yeah, its a very good intro to the series, and well, we tend to talk about it way too much around these parts.

Looking around, Owain's build looked similar to Laurent's as a Sorcerer. I'm leaning towards-
Sorcerer Owain: Vantage, Tomefaire, Vengeance, Armsthrift EDIT: Owain can't get this, so I'll need something else (filler?), Wrath.
Paladin or General Kjelle: Galeforce, Pavise, Aegis, Vantage, Sol.
War Cleric or some other class Severa: Sol, Galeforce, Renewal, Luna, Armsthrift. She also inherited Pavise from Kellam, so maybe I could work that in somehow.
Warrior Yarne: Dual Guard+, Luna, Deliverer, Aegis, Pavis.

Note that Owain and Kjelle are S-Supported, and same with Severa and Yarne. The options for my other remaining second gens didn't appeal to me as much as those four (and poor Brady is forever alone).

And this would be with my other team put together earlier.

 

[TheWerdna]

Looking around, Owain's build looked similar to Laurent's as a Sorcerer. I'm leaning towards-
Sorcerer Owain: Vantage, Tomefaire, Vengeance, Armsthrift EDIT: Owain can't get this, so I'll need something else (filler?), Wrath.
Paladin or General Kjelle: Galeforce, Pavise, Aegis, Vantage, Sol.
War Cleric or some other class Severa: Sol, Galeforce, Renewal, Luna, Armsthrift. She also inherited Pavise from Kellam, so maybe I could work that in somehow.
Warrior Yarne: Dual Guard+, Luna, Deliverer, Aegis, Pavis.

Note that Owain and Kjelle are S-Supported, and same with Severa and Yarne. The options for my other remaining second gens didn't appeal to me as much as those four (and poor Brady is forever alone).

And this would be with my other team put together earlier.

I will see what I can give for suggestions tomarrow

 

[Shaymikyu]

I will see what I can give for suggestions tomarrow

No problem. Thanks for the help. I think I'm slowly starting to figure this out. I still need to finish out Chrom, Cynthia, Lucina, and Morgan first anyway.

In SSB news- wow, I have been Streetpassed like crazy. I've already beaten some of the challenges. I guess more people play SSB here than I thought.

 

[The Merc]

Once you enter, the door is closed. You can never leave. its like a prison of joy and pictures and the occasional thing you can actually reply to.

Oh yeah!

*Leaves to Toon Link Thread*

 

[Shaymikyu]

Oh yeah!

*Leaves to Toon Link Thread*

He'll come back... They always come back. You can only leave for so long.

 

[The Merc]

He'll come back... They always come back. You can only leave for so long.

Which is way I carry my extra comments.

................

DAMMIT!

 

[Hunter Nightblood]

Falchon is NOT a fruit knife.

 

[Timmay08]

Falchon is NOT a fruit knife.

I beg to differ actually. It might not be a fruit but it is a vegetable.

 

[Robertman2]

Welcome new people! Enjoy the shipping!

 

[Shaymikyu]

Hooray, I have all day off today, so I should be around all day! This is me right now:

I'll mostly be doing homework, but I'll work on Awakening as well and maybe SSB too.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Looks like that answer is a yes.

Eh? I'm female. Just because I like a character doesn't mean I'm enamored by her or a "waifufag."

EDIT: And honestly, I'm more a Robin main. I just like discussing Awakening.

 

[TheWerdna]

No problem. Thanks for the help. I think I'm slowly starting to figure this out. I still need to finish out Chrom, Cynthia, Lucina, and Morgan first anyway.

In SSB news- wow, I have been Streetpassed like crazy. I've already beaten some of the challenges. I guess more people play SSB here than I thought.

So who are the fathers of the remaining 8 kids? And who is paired with who? The later because I need to give complementary builds

I know it's Libra!noire, donnel!kjelle, kellam!severa, Frederick!yarne, ricken!nah, Henry!Owain, but I don't know who the other 2

Also, do Inigo and Owain have galeforce? This is important as it will inform my builds. (Note: remember to have them both inherit galeforce in your other two playthroughs)

 

[Shaymikyu]

So who are the fathers of the remaining 8 kids? And who is paired with who? The later because I need to give complementary builds

I know it's Libra!noire, donnel!kjelle, kellam!severa, Frederick!yarne, ricken!nah, Henry!Owain, but I don't know who the other 2

Chrom!Morgan, Robin!Lucina, Lon'qu!Gerome, VIrion!Inigo, Gaius!Cynthia, Gregor!Laurent, Ricken!Nah, Kellam!Severa, Henry!Owain, Libra!Noire, Frederick!Yarne, Donnel!Kjelle, Stahl!Brady.

The paired ones are Cynthia with Morgan, Lucina with Laurent, Severa with Yarne, Kjelle with Owain, Noire with Inigo, and Nah with Gerome. Brady is solo. Morgan, Cynthia, Lucina, and Laurent were already on my team (along with Chrom and Robin), but I can move characters in or out if needed (or even bring in first gens).
EDIT: And the (planned) builds for them are:

Spoiler

Chrom (Paladin):

-Dual Strike+

-Dual Guard+

-Luna

-Aether

-Rightful King

When I get the DLC for Limit Break and Dread Fighter, I'll replace those last three with Limit Break, Aggressor, and Resistance+10.


Robin (Sage):

-Ignis

-Luna

-Galeforce

-Tomefaire

-Dual Support+



Morgan:

-Lethality

-Luna

-Rightful King

-Pavise

-Aegis



Cynthia (Dark Flier):

-Luna

-Tomefaire

-Astra

-Galeforce

-Relief



Lucina (Dark Flier):

-Dual Strike+

-Galeforce

-Dual Support+

-Dual Guard+

-Anathema



Laurent (Sorcerer):

-Vantage

-Vengeance

-Wrath

-Armsthrift

-Tomefaire

EDIT: Forgot Morgan's class- it was Grandmaster.

 

[TheWerdna]

Alright, give me a few minutes and I will edit this post with my build recommendations.


First pair: Kjelle and Owain. Unfortunatally because of the lack of Galeforce on Owain the most optimal build is ruled out, with both using galeforce to allow both to attack at least once and ensure Tank!Kjelle is the one in front for the end turn. However, there are two options avaible.

Option 1: Kjelle: Sol, Aeigs, Pavise, Vantage, Galeforce
Owain: Athema, Swordfaire, Agressor (DLC), +10 Resistance (DLC), Allstats + or Limit Break (DLC

Option 2: Kjelle: Luna, Galeforce, Dual Guard+, Dual Support+, Astra
Owain: Vantage, Vengeance, Wrath, Athema, Tomefaire

In option 1 you have Kjelle always lead. In option 2 you have Kjelle attack first, trigger galeforce, then switch to Owain for the second attack


I will get the other 3 pairs when i get out of class.


Pair 2: Noire and Inigo

Alright, Noire is able to be built as an Sorcerer Tank. Give her nosferatu and you're good. Inigo will be pure support

Noire: athemena, Pavise, tomebreaker, hit +20, renewal
Inigo: afmthrift, tomefaire, deliverer, dreadfighter stuff. Go either Sage or Dreadfighter on this one.

Pair 3: Severa and Yarne

Alright, the plan for this one is offensive Severa, tank Yanre. Attack first with Severa, get galeforce, switch Yarne on second attack.

Severa: Luna, Dual Guard +, Armthrift, Galeforce, Athema. Class should be hero
Yarne: Pavise, Aegis, Deliverer, Axfaire, Luna


Pair 4: Gerome and Nah. Okay, this is a hard one honestly. They both have fairly decent builds you can make out of them, but neither are particulary complementary. Lack of galeforce rules out making one tankier and the other more offensive, while neither have enough support abilities to really work one into a lead and another into an support. So I'll just give builds for each that ignores that the other is even there.

Gerome: Vantage, Sol, Astra, Swordbreaker, Counter
Nah: Luna, Aegis, Bowbreaker, Swordbreaker, Lancebreaker.

Alternativly, you can go super questionable support Nah from with. Dual Guard +, Deliverer, Bond (DLC), Limit Break(DLC) and Bowfair. Make her an Sniper to take advantage of bowfaire


Pairless: Brady. Healbot. Go with War Cleric for the added tankyness. Luna, Aeigs, Renewal, Vantage, Miracle. Basically run around healing and supporting with staves, and hope tank stuff keeps him from dying.


PS: Replace Relief on Cynthia with Pavise.. While she;ll only be lead for one attack per turn, it will still mean she is taking less dmg.



Note: In most cases I could make better builds for each character if I am taking them as an individual. However, I am instead looking at their pairs and trying to make builds that complement one another, which should add up to a whole greater than the sum of their parts.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Alright, give me a few minutes and I will edit this post with my build recommendations.

Not a problem. I appreciate the help.
EDIT:

Alright, give me a few minutes and I will edit this post with my build recommendations.


First pair: Kjelle and Owain. Unfortunatally because of the lack of Galeforce on Owain the most optimal build is ruled out, with both using galeforce to allow both to attack at least once and ensure Tank!Kjelle is the one in front for the end turn. However, there are two options avaible.

Option 1: Kjelle: Sol, Aeigs, Pavise, Vantage, Galeforce
Owain: Athema, Swordfaire, Agressor (DLC), +10 Resistance (DLC), Allstats + or Limit Break (DLC

Option 2: Kjelle: Luna, Galeforce, Dual Guard+, Dual Support+, Astra
Owain: Vantage, Vengeance, Wrath, Athema, Tomefaire

In option 1 you have Kjelle always lead. In option 2 you have Kjelle attack first, trigger galeforce, then switch to Owain for the second attack


I will get the other 3 pairs when i get out of class.

Since I don't have the DLC (yet), I'm leaning towards two, though leading with tank Kjelle is tempting.

Though, I wrote down the first one for if I get the DLC or not, so I can switch to that if and when I do.

 

[Robertman2]

Looks like that answer is a yes.

One could say the same of Palutena mains.

 

[TheWerdna]

Not a problem. I appreciate the help.
EDIT:

Since I don't have the DLC (yet), I'm leaning towards two, though leading with tank Kjelle is tempting.

Though, I wrote down the first one for if I get the DLC or not, so I can switch to that if and when I do.

Other ones are done. Also, bonus build for the most powerful non-Robin first generation character...
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Soviet Gregor: Axefaire/Swordfaire, Vantage, Counter, Sol, Armthrift

 

[Shaymikyu]

Other ones are done. Also, bonus build for the most powerful non-Robin first generation character...
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Soviet Gregor: Axefaire/Swordfaire, Vantage, Counter, Sol, Armthrift

Darn it, I knew I should have married him! Maybe if I ever do another run.

I'll build Miriel (his wife) to support him, as well.

Alright, give me a few minutes and I will edit this post with my build recommendations.


First pair: Kjelle and Owain. Unfortunatally because of the lack of Galeforce on Owain the most optimal build is ruled out, with both using galeforce to allow both to attack at least once and ensure Tank!Kjelle is the one in front for the end turn. However, there are two options avaible.

Option 1: Kjelle: Sol, Aeigs, Pavise, Vantage, Galeforce
Owain: Athema, Swordfaire, Agressor (DLC), +10 Resistance (DLC), Allstats + or Limit Break (DLC

Option 2: Kjelle: Luna, Galeforce, Dual Guard+, Dual Support+, Astra
Owain: Vantage, Vengeance, Wrath, Athema, Tomefaire

In option 1 you have Kjelle always lead. In option 2 you have Kjelle attack first, trigger galeforce, then switch to Owain for the second attack


I will get the other 3 pairs when i get out of class.


Pair 2: Noire and Inigo

Alright, Noire is able to be built as an Sorcerer Tank. Give her nosferatu and you're good. Inigo will be pure support

Noire: athemena, Pavise, tomebreaker, hit +20, renewal
Inigo: afmthrift, tomefaire, deliverer, dreadfighter stuff. Go either Sage or Dreadfighter on this one.

Pair 3: Severa and Yarne

Alright, the plan for this one is offensive Severa, tank Yanre. Attack first with Severa, get galeforce, switch Yarne on second attack.

Severa: Luna, Dual Guard +, Armthrift, Galeforce, Athema. Class should be hero
Yarne: Pavise, Aegis, Deliverer, Axfaire, Luna


Pair 4: Gerome and Nah. Okay, this is a hard one honestly. They both have fairly decent builds you can make out of them, but neither are particulary complementary. Lack of galeforce rules out making one tankier and the other more offensive, while neither have enough support abilities to really work one into a lead and another into an support. So I'll just give builds for each that ignores that the other is even there.

Gerome: Vantage, Sol, Astra, Swordbreaker, Counter
Nah: Luna, Aegis, Bowbreaker, Swordbreaker, Lancebreaker.

Alternativly, you can go super questionable support Nah from with. Dual Guard +, Deliverer, Bond (DLC), Limit Break(DLC) and Bowfair. Make her an Sniper to take advantage of bowfaire


Pairless: Brady. Healbot. Go with War Cleric for the added tankyness. Luna, Aeigs, Renewal, Vantage, Miracle. Basically run around healing and supporting with staves, and hope tank stuff keeps him from dying.


PS: Replace Relief on Cynthia with Pavise.. While she;ll only be lead for one attack per turn, it will still mean she is taking less dmg.



Note: In most cases I could make better builds for each character if I am taking them as an individual. However, I am instead looking at their pairs and trying to make builds that complement one another, which should add up to a whole greater than the sum of their parts.

I'll likely keep Nah and Gerome benched then (outside of TFP, which I will have to eventually build up everyone for to enjoy it to its full extent). I can still work on them last, though. I'll comment more once I have everything saved.

And I added Pavise into Cynthia's plans.

 

[TheWerdna]

Darn it, I knew I should have married him! Maybe if I ever do another run.

I'll build Miriel (his wife) to support him, as well.


I'll likely keep Nah and Gerome benched then (outside of TFP, which I will have to eventually build up everyone for to enjoy it to its full extent). I can still work on them last, though. I'll comment more once I have everything saved.

And I added Pavise into Cynthia's plans.

Well, there are better parents for Morgan than Gregor. He just has a very good skill set that makes him useful.

Funnily enough, Miriel is a pretty good support. Anthema, dual support +, tomefaire, hex, demoiselle

 

[Shaymikyu]

Well, there are better parents for Morgan than Gregor. He just has a very good skill set that makes him useful.

Funnily enough, Miriel is a pretty good support. Anthema, dual support +, tomefaire, hex, demoiselle

True, true.

And funny, I just wrote out that build for Miriel. I guess I'm catching on! I'd assume to end her at Sage or Sorcerer? And Gregor at Berserker or Swordmaster or Hero?

The only other things I'm lost on are what classes to end Yarne and Nah at.

 

[Articablack]

 

[TheWerdna]

True, true.

And funny, I just wrote out that build for Miriel. I guess I'm catching on! I'd assume to end her at Sage or Sorcerer? And Gregor at Berserker or Swordmaster or Hero?

The only other things I'm lost on are what classes to end Yarne and Nah at.

Yarne should be a warrior to take advantage of Axefaire.

Sorcerer for Miriel to at least give good resistance buffs to Gregor. Gregor should be an hero (which use axes or swords, so pick the faire that you want)

 

[LIQUID12A]

Just missing one more dream in my side fic before I'm ready for it to be posted :3

 

[Shaymikyu]

Yarne should be a warrior to take advantage of Axefaire.

Sorcerer for Miriel to at least give good resistance buffs to Gregor. Gregor should be an hero (which use axes or swords, so pick the faire that you want)

Got it. I have my plans all set now. Thanks so much again for all your help!

 

[TheWerdna]

Got it. I have my plans all set now. Thanks so much again for all your help!

No problem. I enjoy making builds anyways (I already have all the builds planned out for my current F!Robin x Chrom run and have plans for my Lunatic/Classic Robcina run I aim to do someday). So I can also help with your other runs too.

 

[Shaymikyu]

No problem. I enjoy making builds anyways (I already have all the builds planned out for my current F!Robin x Chrom run and have plans for my Lunatic/Classic Robcina run I aim to do someday). So I can also help with your other runs too.

Once I finish building my original run, I'll ask you about the others (where some pairs have already happened, but other not as much). I think I'm starting to get the hang of it, fortunately, though not completely either.

 

[Robertman2]

Nice

 

[The Merc]

Guys, can I have help with my avatar build, guess I'm stuck.

I can't decide what to make the final class of my MU, either (in order of likeliness, least to most), assassin, Hero or swordmaster If I had dread fighter class, I would choose that straight away. My skills will be

Ingis
Sol
Armshift
Vantage
Lethial

Any advice (ps, its on hard mode but not permdeath and I don't have any dlc maps)

 

[Shaymikyu]

Guys, can I have help with my avatar build, guess I'm stuck.

I can't decide what to make the final class of my MU, either (in order of likeliness, least to most), assassin, Hero or swordmaster If I had dread fighter class, I would choose that straight away. My skills will be

Ingis
Sol
Armshift
Vantage
Lethial

Any advice (ps, its on hard mode but not permdeath and I don't have any dlc maps)

Lethality isn't too useful unless you have Rightful King (hence why my Morgan has it- AND IT WORKS), which MU can't get. Maybe get Vengeance to go with Vantage? Though, with Sol, you'll be healing, so that might make Vengeance pointless. Luna is always a good choice.

As for classes, I'd go Hero over Swordmaster. I'm not the best at this, though, so I'd take the opinion of others, too.

 

[Robertman2]

Guys, can I have help with my avatar build, guess I'm stuck.

I can't decide what to make the final class of my MU, either (in order of likeliness, least to most), assassin, Hero or swordmaster If I had dread fighter class, I would choose that straight away. My skills will be

Ingis
Sol
Armshift
Vantage
Lethial

Any advice (ps, its on hard mode but not permdeath and I don't have any dlc maps)

Who's Robin married to? Also, let's get some fluff in here!

 

[The Merc]

Who's Robin married to? Also, let's get some fluff in here!

I not naming him Robin and he might marry either Anna, Nowi or Oliva (though Lucina is tempting, I only do that match when I use default Robin). I might choose Anna because, you know, it's Anna.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Who's Robin married to? Also, let's get some fluff in here!

That's a good point as well.

On that note- @ The Merc , what class is Robin's spouse, and are they built more to support or lead? That will also have a huge effect on the build.

EDIT: Oh, so you don't have their final class yet. I don't know Anna or the rest well enough. Sorry.

 

[Robertman2]

I not naming him Robin and he might marry either Anna, Nowi or Oliva (though Lucina is tempting, I only do that match when I use default Robin). I might choose Anna because, you know, it's Anna.

Nowi? PEDO ROBIN ALERT