Losing jumps with Falcon?

[WwwWario]

So this happens sometimes with other characters, too, but especially with Falcon. I lose a jump. And I know that it's not because I've used both jumps. Sometimes I lose the jump when I use 1 jump, then being knocked, and I cannot jump anymore. I know it's not the hitstun, because I've kept falling until I've died without being able to use my second jump. Other times, I can run, jump, do an arial attack trying to hit an opponent off-stage, and lose my second jump. So, am I doing something wrong, or is this a glitch? Is anybody else experiencing this?

 

[WarpStatus]

Do you have tap jump on?

 

[GeZ]

I can almost guarantee it's just because you have tap to jump on and accidentally double jump. It's what all newer players do.

 

[Stryker]

Either this, or you don't realize that you're using a recovery move, as I am pretty sure this will use up your second jump on CF

 

[WwwWario]

Do you have tap jump on?

Um, sorry for sounding like a noob now, but what is Tap Jump? xD And can I turn it off?

 

[WarpStatus]

Um, sorry for sounding like a noob now, but what is Tap Jump? xD And can I turn it off?

No problem man. Tap jump means that when you flick the control stick upward you will jump. This can cause situations where you want to do just an up air, but you jump straight into an up air. If you get hit out of it at the same time it will feel like you lost your jump.

If you go into control options to change what each button does there is an option to turn tap jump off.

 

[WwwWario]

No problem man. Tap jump means that when you flick the control stick upward you will jump. This can cause situations where you want to do just an up air, but you jump straight into an up air. If you get hit out of it at the same time it will feel like you lost your jump.

If you go into control options to change what each button does there is an option to turn tap jump off.

Ah, so THAT'S tap jump, eh? Thanks! I will turn it off and see if it helps! ^^

 

[Narpas_sword]

When you double jump, there's a ripple effect under your feet. Keep an eye out for it, and you'll be less surprised if you do lose it =)

 

[Nicco]

bumbing here but turning off tap jump doesnt seem to work
try it
when I turn off tap jump and try to do my rising uairs with X+up+A he'll double jump!

this is one of the major reasons that I hate PM

In Melee, where tap jump is ALWAYS on, I have no problem shffling rising uairs with Fox on lightning mode using the same method, so it's definitely a bug in PM

 

[Narpas_sword]

nice logic.

"i cant do it in a different game .: bug."

or you know.

this ISN'T MELEE

 

[TheKmanOfSmash]

bumbing here but turning off tap jump doesnt seem to work
try it
when I turn off tap jump and try to do my rising uairs with X+up+A he'll double jump!

this is one of the major reasons that I hate PM

In Melee, where tap jump is ALWAYS on, I have no problem shffling rising uairs with Fox on lightning mode using the same method, so it's definitely a bug in PM

It's either a problem with your controller or your pressing something you're not realizing. Or maybe it's some other factor like you not being used to the game. I've not heard of many people in this community complain about what you just described.

 

[Nicco]

just try turning off tap jump, shffl uairs with A and you'll see what I mean

 

[TheLastOneAlive]

bumbing here but turning off tap jump doesnt seem to work
try it
when I turn off tap jump and try to do my rising uairs with X+up+A he'll double jump!

this is one of the major reasons that I hate PM

In Melee, where tap jump is ALWAYS on, I have no problem shffling rising uairs with Fox on lightning mode using the same method, so it's definitely a bug in PM

Are you maybe forgetting to pick the name tag you turned off tap jump with? Turning it off most definitely works for me.

 

[Nicco]

Gonna test it today

 

[furinto92]

just try turning off tap jump, shffl uairs with A and you'll see what I mean

I do the exact same thing with my two current mains, Falcon and ZSS (very similar uairs incidentally), and I never have that problem with tap jump off. There must be some issue with your version of PM, or your controller.

If you're fine with tap jump on in Melee, why bother with it in PM?

As far as OP's issue: I've experienced something similar with Marth's dair. It was explained to me a while ago and I still don't fully understand the cause, but when inputing jump->aerial->double jump it's possible to lose the double jump by hitting X/Y too soon or during the end of the aerial's animation. If I wait just a bit longer after the dair, I would be able to jump->up b to stage safely, whereas if I mashed X immediately after the dair's active frames, I lost the double jump. OP's problem may be related or completely different.

 

[Nicco]

I think I figured out the issue. None of this is tested with TAS, but I am pretty confident in my frame data knowledge.
If I wanna do an early uair with Falcon, I press X and up+A. Notice that my uair comes out as soon as possible, meaning I press A on the 5th frame after I pressed X, since this is the first frame that Falcon is airborne. Somehow - even with tap jump turned off - the up input on the control stick sometimes gets mixed with the X input, making the game think that I held jump for more than 5 frames resulting in a full hop. If tap jump would have been on, the result would have been a double hop.

Now I use the same method in Melee, and I almost never screw it up. I uair this method out of shield, during combos, after pivots etc.
Also keep in mind that in Melee, you cannot hold X for more than 4 frames for a succesful double hop with Falcon, where PM gives you 5 frames to work with. (He is still airborne on the 5th frame in both games.)

I shouldn't even have to turn off tap jump, but for some reason X/Y+control stick up gives weird results in PM...

Also, this was all tested in 3.0, it might not be an issue in later versions, but I will test it when I get my hands on it.

 

[krazyzyko]

Observe under your character, a ring appears as soon as you use your mid-air jump.