lol new melee tier list revealed what's up

[Siglemic]

the current tier list is so wrong

i didn't put this in the thread because no one looks at that thread and it won't get attention there

but really

having a 'final' tier list when the game isn't dead is so dumb

the current melee tier list was made 'final' by the assumption that melee was going to die when brawl came out and that it was like the end of the metagame or something

but look it's alive and the metagame has evolved a lot

so make a new one

and don't listen to m2k while making it

 

[Toesrus]

100x agree. SSB64 got a new tier list. Why not melee? :\

What does MBR do now anyways? Discuss rules and stages?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

the list sgould've been charged when they charged the rules about couter pick stages that changes a lot of things.

they are going to close this, really everyone argees and they MAY be working on it they don't have to tell us if they are or aren't

 

[Deleted member]

the current melee tier list was made 'final' by the assumption that melee was going to die when brawl came out

you have no idea what you're talking about.

if you want to do something about it, get yourself added to the MBR and take it into your hands.

why do people keep thinking that the MBR will randomly do things for them?

 

[Dr_Strangelove]

you have no idea what you're talking about.

if you want to do something about it, get yourself added to the MBR and take it into your hands.

why do people keep thinking that the MBR will randomly do things for them?

How does one get added to this group?

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

yes we really do. nobody thinks the current tier list is current.

 

[Siglemic]

you have no idea what you're talking about.

if you want to do something about it, get yourself added to the MBR and take it into your hands.

why do people keep thinking that the MBR will randomly do things for them?

if they would let me in then i would totally contribute




icg look at your posts before you submit i'm not gonna tell you again lol

 

[Archangel]

you have no idea what you're talking about.

if you want to do something about it, get yourself added to the MBR and take it into your hands.

why do people keep thinking that the MBR will randomly do things for them?

You say get yourself added as if everyone can just click a button and be a MBR member. Honestly rather then join the MBR I think it should be taken out of their hands completely. Nobody expects them to make a accurate list. If you read post in the official thread you'd see at least 50 or 60 new lists that have been posted for the past year. Aside from a few outlandish ones most of them are more reflective of the current scene then the supposed "Final" one. Nothing personal but I actually don't see a need for MBR anymore. This isn't 2003 anymore its 2010 before you know it it'll be 2011 and most of us would have been playing this game for a decade or close to it by then. So as far as i'm concerned they can be disbanded because most in the melee community are capable of making their own decisions, Voting on rulesets/Stage, as well as tier lists.

 

[llamapaste]

^ Brilliant outstanding post.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=2264

down with the government. think puff should be top debate it here. I think we shouuld make our own list if nothing is happening,also I geuss we have to be better than mango to get into the backrooms cause I don't believe he is.

 

[llamapaste]

I just joined so we can make sure Pichu>Kirby.

 

[Deleted member]

so rather than try to make a name for yourself and earn a vote, you'd rather complain and stab at guesswork as to what is really going on? sad.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

only if no one can proof it wrong.

at umbreon what's sad is how I treat myself compared to how I treat others, i'm so mean to myself

really people want this so you should feel sad for everyone.


also if people wnat change give it to them and watch them hate the change OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRR feel dumb that the chnage helped. healthcare idea right there.

 

[Siglemic]

so rather than try to make a name for yourself and earn a vote, you'd rather complain and stab at guesswork as to what is really going on? sad.

seriously stop being a douche

even if i were able to get in it's not like everyone would be like "yeah let's make a tier list!". i'm sure there are people in the mbr who want to make one right now, and it doesn't seem to be happening.

are you denying that the current tier list is out of date? don't get silly, i honestly think you're trolling at this point

also icg

pikachu is and always will be leagues above pichu

deal w/ it

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

hey everyone has the right to being a douche soo don't let it get to you to much. you could just p*** off more and join the group and spread the idea like wildfire.

 

[mastermoo420]

Also, at the whole "why don't you just join MBR" idea: The people in MBR are in MBR (hurr durr, but I'll make my point in the next sentence). Whether they applied or were chosen, they, in both cases, had the opportunity to decline. It's not like they were at gunpoint when they were asked to join MBR. It's their responsibility to do work or they could at least just leave MBR and at least make a point that nothing's really being done. I don't mean to disrespect the people of MBR if they ARE doing work, but just saying, bros.

 

[Siglemic]

agreed, it's the mbr's responsibility, they don't have to be in the mbr if they don't want to

 

[Deleted member]

seriously stop being a douche

even if i were able to get in it's not like everyone would be like "yeah let's make a tier list!". i'm sure there are people in the mbr who want to make one right now, and it doesn't seem to be happening.

I'll stop being a douche when you stop being an intellectual failure. you could have done literally ANY research on the MBR or just talked to any of its members for 5 minutes on aim or a PM or talk to people in your own ****ing state in the MBR to see whats going on there, and instead you choose to rant in Melee Discussion rallying a handful of other people that have no influence to take action that they won't do.

If you were able to get in, the other members would respect you for it and would very likely help you. You really have no idea what the MBR is about, how it works, what they're working on, and you have taken no action to find out for yourself. In short, I repeat, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Zunari]

Marth for high tier.

 

[Siglemic]

I'll stop being a douche when you stop being an intellectual failure. you could have done literally ANY research on the MBR or just talked to any of its members for 5 minutes on aim or a PM or talk to people in your own ****ing state in the MBR to see whats going on there, and instead you choose to rant in Melee Discussion rallying a handful of other people that have no influence to take action that they won't do.

If you were able to get in, the other members would respect you for it and would very likely help you. You really have no idea what the MBR is about, how it works, what they're working on, and you have taken no action to find out for yourself. In short, I repeat, you have no idea what you're talking about.

it doesn't matter what the mbr is about and i honestly don't care

the tier list doesn't reflect the current metagame and we need a new one

i don't see how this is so hard to understand lol

you're definitely trolling

 

[Deleted member]

it doesn't matter what the mbr is about and i honestly don't care

we need a new tier list

lol. just lol.

edit: how is asking you to do research in small amounts trolling? LOL this thread is amazing.

 

[mastermoo420]

You really have no idea what the MBR is about, how it works, what they're working on, and you have taken no action to find out for yourself. In short, I repeat, you have no idea what you're talking about.

That's because they don't tell us anything. If they're not going to tell us explicitly what goes on (which makes sense because they'll probably try to remain objective), we can't do anything but complain because they're not telling us anything. For all we/I know, they could be doing some **** stuff in there, but we have no idea.

 

[Siglemic]

i think spam arrows is right, the mbr probably doesn't have an opinion worth anything anymore, and certainly aren't willing to express it since they seem to think the current tier list is fine

what is the mbr doing right now?

 

[Deleted member]

That's because they don't tell us anything. If they're not going to tell us explicitly what goes on (which makes sense because they'll probably try to remain objective), we can't do anything but complain because they're not telling us anything. For all we/I know, they could be doing some **** stuff in there, but we have no idea.

lmao I'm on aim RIGHT NOW talking to Ankoku and it's been half an hour and guys STILL haven't messaged either of us.

since I was asked, the MBR has been working on a tier list since the beginning of may, and we're going it slow and crunching tournament results since no one wants a poorly researched list since the old one is 3 years old.

 

[Siglemic]

so you want me to somehow magically get into the MBR before this next tier list comes out so i can have a vote? how exactly is this done? lol.

 

[Archangel]

so rather than try to make a name for yourself and earn a vote, you'd rather complain and stab at guesswork as to what is really going on? sad.

Make a name for yourself? Really?. Complaining....really? If I called my neighbor Fat I wouldn't be complaining about it would be stating the obvious. It is obvious to anyone with eyes even to noobs that the "Final" tier list as it exists is out of place. The reason why I don't like it is because its an embarrassment to me as well as the Melee community. It would be like if I bought a Priest in to your grandmothers house and he gave her last rights assuming she's gonna die off anyway. That is pretty much the way the final list was gone about however since the melee community is not only alive an health but growing and the meta-game is shifting still. It is only right that someone do it. I am not saying the MBR should have to do it. I am saying it should be taken out of their hands and given to the people.

@ Umbreon thanks for the sudden revealing but why is MBR so shady? I mean seriously given The I mean this is starting to resemble our own government now. Why is there know prior knowledge of this? not even a note in the official thread stating that it is currently being update...wth is this?

 

[Deleted member]

so you want me to somehow magically get into the MBR before this next tier list comes out so i can have a vote? how exactly is this done? lol.

make yourself a known intellectual with the proper qualifications. upon doing so, appeal to fellow MBR members to nominate you for acceptance. the MBR has accepted people in the past with as few as 9 posts.

I personally was accepted into the MBR about 3 months after joining smashboards with ~200 posts in this manner. It's still the most common method to add members.

edit: a good start is avoiding fundamental debate errors like straw man arguments or unproven assumptions or personal attacks. the post above mine is littered with examples of what not to do.

 

[Siglemic]

make yourself a known intellectual with the proper qualifications. upon doing so, appeal to fellow MBR members to nominate you for acceptance. the MBR has accepted people in the past with as few as 9 posts.

I personally was accepted into the MBR about 3 months after joining smashboards with ~200 posts in this manner. It's still the most common method to add members.

edit: a good start is avoiding fundamental debate errors like straw man arguments or unproven assumptions or personal attacks. the post above mine is littered with examples of what not to do.

that's hardly a consistent way lol, you need to get over yourself imo

anyway, where do you think jiggs is going to be

 

[Archangel]

@ Umbreon your such a douche though its unreal. I really don't want to gain favor with anyone tbh. Not you or any MBR members, Moderators...etc. I see the need for moderators because someone has to keep people from crossing boundaries. If I was to judge based on my talks with you right now I would assume the only reason for an MBR member is to run around making "oh look at me i'm an important man" posts and running your mouth about private info to ordinary members who are without reason kept in the dark. yeah...this is really starting to remind me of the government now

but since the official thread is yours and everyone who has posted there the past year is quite unsatisfied and their feelings of hate for the current list grow tenfold each day. You could at least leave just a footnote saying things are under-construction with the current list to ease the pain and suffering it has caused and put some dead souls to rest.

 

[Deleted member]

probably not a consistent way since you have to be chosen

you have to be chosen after nomination. we make a list of like 10 people and vote yes/no on it and roll with it. much like getting a job or any other way of moving up, makings friends is a good start. so yeah, it's pretty much as consistent as the effort you put into it.

edit: okay now I took your quote, and then you edited it from conjecture to stabbing at guesswork. read your post after the edit and my quote above. see the difference?

jiggs is obviously moving up, and the stats work is finished for a handful of characters.

yeah i am a douche more or less. too bad. do you have any idea how hard it is to show someone that they're being stupid when they're too stupid to get it? cause thats what I'm trying to do, but I'm trying to do it in a way such that you fix your own mistakes.

 

[CloneHat]

OK. The backroom may be doing "scary things we couldn't possibly comprehend", but the fact of the matter is they are allegedly working on a new tier list to replace the crappy one we have now. Assuming this is true, has your request been answered, Siglemic?

 

[SmasherLink]

I made my own tier list, it is right above this thread

 

[Archangel]

yeah i am a douche more or less. too bad. do you have any idea how hard it is to show someone that they're being stupid when they're too stupid to get it? cause thats what I'm trying to do, but I'm trying to do it in a way such that you fix your own mistakes.

ok...lets get real basic with it.

Stupid - unintelligent: lacking or marked by lack of intellectual acuity

anyone who is able to navigate on this site we can assume has a relative amount of intelligence so i'm not sure stupid is the right word. A better word would be uninformed.

Uninformed - not having knowledge or information about a situation.

now if I stopped it there you and your almighty douchessness would just say The following in response

Unbreon's likely response "Grats on efficient use of Google lol. All you did was prove me right anyway. If you had taken the time to ask and do some research you would not be clueless or uninformed as you put it but instead you choose to cry about it and make unintelligent assumptions. Thus the reason why I said you were and still are being stupid. Stupid!"

I'm not Psychic but i'm pretty sure the response would be something like that minus or plus a few words. I know how douches think because I am one

However you'd miss my point completely. Yeah it is true that asking could be a choice but should every member of smash-boards that isn't a MBR member have to ask in order to find out what is going on? For something this big it would be much less stressful for everyone if a simple "We are working on it" Was given out. Instead of laughing at people because they don't know what you do.

Lets say I hypothetically your house was on fire and you were trapped inside. You get to the window and yell down to me for help. I don't say anything at all I just look up at you. Then you start to freak out and I start laughing at you and I call you stupid. After you curse me out I reveal to you that I saw the smoke so I called 911 minutes ago and they should be on their way. Then you say why the hell didn't you say anything. I say well you didn't ask me if I called 911 so I didn't tell you.

Now granted this situation is far less serious still.....you see what I'm getting at?

 

[Siglemic]

umbreon this could have all been avoided if you said "not to worry sig, we're working on one right now "

but instead you decided to be a douche

:/ lol

thx for letting us know i guess

even though it's really silly to keep stuff like this secret anyway

 

[Toesrus]

Sig = super pro.

He should be in MBR. me too

 

[Deleted member]

it's not about the tier list. a tier list is just a ranking of a character's likelihood to win in a tournament setting. such a thing has absolutely no merit for prediction or how a talented player performs in a tournament setting.

right now whats important is that you (plural, everyone) are able to see a problem in a clear objective setting and to be able to work with it to the best of your ability. if being angry or making weird comparisons were a proper solution, fine but they're not. the smartest option here is to work with the tools you have rather than bickering about ones that you don't. i suppose I could have avoided flaming and hate by just feeding it to you but you're no better for it. i'd rather piss you guys off a little and maybe the sharper ones will learn something. if not, whatever I can still show this topic to the MBR and be like "this is why we don't show people what we're working on" like I already did.

edit: I have no idea what you're getting at spam arrows because I didn't say those things nor was I in that situation. if you're going to attack me at least keep it relevant, it's hard to follow your tangents when they have no application.

 

[CloneHat]

a tier list is just a ranking of a character's likelihood to win in a tournament setting. such a thing has absolutely no merit for prediction or how a talented player performs in a tournament setting.

What? Those kind of contradict, you know.

I can still show this topic to the MBR and be like "this is why we don't show people what we're working on" like I already did.

...but you're the one who revealed it in the first place. Not to mention this superiority battle never would have happened had the MBR revealed they were working on a new tier list.

 

[FoxLisk]

Umbreon,

You are being unbearably elitist about the MBR. This thread is no reason not to let people know what you're working on. This thread is actually pretty much irrelevant to everything and would be closed if you weren't posting in it.

The thing is, this is a community. There is no government except for the small amount of moderation that is needed to keep the forums usable for everyone. MBR is just part of the community, and should act as such. If there's a reason not to reveal things - which sometimes there is, I understand - then don't, but in a case like this, I don't see why you wouldn't. A simple announcement, "work on new tier list started. Projected release date in August" or something would have made the whole community excited about the project and you could have easily gone back to ignoring their input instead of simply hiding your work from them.

Now if you had a legitimate reason for choosing not to let everyone know, pardon me, but you have not presented one so far. So far it sounds like you just want to feel like the the MBR is the cool kid place and you get to hang out there and **** everyone who doesn't, which is not a very pleasant attitude.

 

[mastermoo420]

Guys, this guy has settled everything:

I made my own tier list, it is right above this thread

 

[Deleted member]

I expect this thread to be closed when victra gets to it.

I just want the non-MBR people to try to figure things out on their own. The tier list itself has no value.

As for now, I've revealed very little and I plan to keep it that way to keep the voting objective. Good post FoxLisk, stay critical.