Lawrencelot's sheik (new vids: july 2010, with Brazilian smashers!!)

[Lawrencelot]

New vids up: Lawrencelot vs Brazilian smashers! From july 2010. All vids (links to youtube) can be found here: http://forum.1upsmash.com/topic/8230494/1/
or search on youtube Lawrencelot vs: Izzi, Parrot, Hell, Phil


New good quality vids! From 1 june 2010. Both are low amount moneymatches btw

vs Ser (Falco) 1
vs Ser (Falco) 2
vs Ser (Falco) 3
vs Ser (Marth) 4

vs Mind Trick (IC) 1
vs Mind Trick (IC) 2
vs Mind Trick (IC) 3
vs Mind Trick (IC) 4


New vids of a 9-man tourney at my place, RCT5 (20 dec 2009):
Playlist

7 nov 2009: vs Sheik on DL
vs Sheik on DL again
my Peach vs Sheik (don't watch this one!)
vs Marth on BF
vs Marth on BF again


I decided to just show some friendly vids in order to improve. Any tips are highly appreciated. I particularly need help vs falco but these vids do not contain "my typical sheik-falco match', but I hope anyone can give constructive criticism anyway. Thanks and sorry for the bad quality.

vs cpt falcon on PS
vs cpt falcon on YS
vs cpt falcon on PS
vs falco on FoD

vs sheik on DL
vs sheik on FD
vs sheik on DL

note: these are not in chronological order

 

[Luma]

use dash-cancelled grabs for techchasing

also dont look as you would like to kill someone when you play (daymn you scared the **** out of me at porc's place before tsl4 xD)

 

[Lawrencelot]

use dash-cancelled grabs for techchasing

also dont look as you would like to kill someone when you play (daymn you scared the **** out of me at porc's place before tsl4 xD)

What do you mean with dash-cancelled grabs? Like dashing, pressing down or release, and then tech-chase with a jumpcanceled grab?

Oh you were there too? I always look very serious when I'm concentrated I can't help it lol.

 

[Luma]

nah you hast have to press A instead of "Jump" for a DC-Grab, if you have the right timing you will get an extra boost like you would get from your dashattack

 

[Lawrencelot]

Oh you mean boostgrab. I only use that against Peach, for techchasing jump-canceled grabs are better I think.

 

[Luma]

mhh yeah against fox or falco, but for falcon its really usefull (Ice told me about it)
just do 1 foxtrott, then react, either grab, dash left/right or tap

 

[soap]

mhh yeah against fox or falco, but for falcon its really usefull (Ice told me about it)
just do 1 foxtrott, then react, either grab, dash left/right or tap

i love the foxtrot to boostgrab techchase, covers everything without trying.

only thing would be low percents i would just stand there and be ready to jab the nontech regrab until like 30. u can still react from stand, just not as easy.

dash attacking or downsmashing at such low percents on missed techs doesnt lead into anything. downsmashing is actually not even safe below 10.

btw which direction do u foxtrot in after the throw?

ive been experimenting with foxtrot through them pivot grab the tech in place. pivot boost grab if they tech away (towards the direction i ran in). and just ran back dash attack if they go the other way. this way u can also pivot jab the non tech, but im not 100 percent on those

i feel like if u dthrow foxtrot away from them and they tech away, u r leaving too much space.

 

[Luma]

the problem is, we are playing pal, if they di away we have to foxtrot so be able to punish them if they dont tech

btw which direction do u foxtrot in after the throw?

always forward cuz of pal

 

[soap]

if they DI away tech away in Pal?

after the foxtrot u can't run forward.

do u do a quick pivot dash dance so u can run forward again?

or u could wavedash tilt or something i guess.

seems like a small spacing adjustment but sheik can do it

 

[Nekurbis86]

you seem to know how to play against a falco. Emphasize on your spacing and evasion/sheild

 

[Lawrencelot]

Got some new vids against two french people, from 3 weeks ago. Only one match is uploaded atm, but I'll add the vids here as more vids are uploaded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5hpel5nQdU

 

[KirbyKaze]

In Sheik dittos, ledgehop Dair is really good for punishing poofs onto the stage. Fair is dumb and boring and doesn't do anything really. Especially on Dreamland. If you Dair, you probably get a combo going.

A lot of times your opponent will shield and you'll sit there awkwardly and do moves. A lot of times, these moves are at point blank. Granted, he's not shield-grabbing all of them or punishing them like he should, but it's something to note.

I think you need to duck more. Ducking is really good. It makes Sheik's F-tilt miss if they try to use its full range and then you can get free punishes. It also forces them to aim their aerials kind of low if they try to approach that way, so then you can just move back and punish the lag or F-tilt out of your duck immediately and hit their delayed move.

 

[Lawrencelot]

Thanks for the advice.

In Sheik dittos, ledgehop Dair is really good for punishing poofs onto the stage. Fair is dumb and boring and doesn't do anything really. Especially on Dreamland. If you Dair, you probably get a combo going.

Yeah that's true. I think I don't do a Dair because I'm afraid I'm gonna miss if they upB far onto the stage or something.

A lot of times your opponent will shield and you'll sit there awkwardly and do moves. A lot of times, these moves are at point blank. Granted, he's not shield-grabbing all of them or punishing them like he should, but it's something to note.

Can you give some times for this? Because I don't know what you mean. Or are you not talking about the newest vid

I think you need to duck more. Ducking is really good. It makes Sheik's F-tilt miss if they try to use its full range and then you can get free punishes. It also forces them to aim their aerials kind of low if they try to approach that way, so then you can just move back and punish the lag or F-tilt out of your duck immediately and hit their delayed move.

So you mean, duck instead of shield? Or duck instead of evading with wavedash/dashdance/jump?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I rewatched the vid. The second thing is my bad. I got the Sheiks confused. Mahie was the one attacking shield too much.

For ducking, ducking doesn't replace shield, dash dance, jump, or anything. It's just another good defensive thing that you can do in this matchup that you should be aware of. Duck and wavedash back is really, really silly because to hit Sheik's duck they have to do their aerials near the bottom of their jump or do an aerial that stays out for a while, which are both telegraphed and fairly punishable. Having said that, if they're wise and boost grab in your general direction, you're going to wish you dashed back or jumped back. It's got its own niches, if you play around with it you'll find enough quickly enough for it to be useful on a regular basis.

If you're scared that Dair won't hit because they've gone deep into the stage, get up when you're below 100 and just dash attack or something (ledgedash at higher percents I guess). When they poof into the stage, Fair is awful. The low angle actually can help them if they try any sort of ground tech, the low knockback means they probably don't get sent offstage unless they're at like 135%+ and it doesn't have anywhere near the combo potential of half her other moves.

 

[ChivalRuse]

You like nair, don't you?

I don't play Sheik. But I would say ... I don't know. Don't be afraid to dsmash more? It's a good move. Especially against Falcon/Falco.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Sheik's D-smash is ****ing ****.

edit: Nair is ****ing ****.

 

[Lawrencelot]

You like nair, don't you?

I don't play Sheik. But I would say ... I don't know. Don't be afraid to dsmash more? It's a good move. Especially against Falcon/Falco.

Heh I played CBT+ after I read something about autocanceling fulljumping nairs in this forum. It actually works against most chars.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Yeah, nair's pretty beastly. Just know when not to use it ... like, against Peach, Marth, Ganon, etc.

 

[Teczer0]

Do you use ledgehopped nairs and drop off nairs and fast fall DJ nairs off the edge?

All waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too good.

 

[Lawrencelot]

OK the rest of my MM against Mahie is uploaded. There's also one where I play Peach but I can't play Peach at all so don't watch it unless you want to see Mahie's sheik **** me lol

2. vs Sheik on DL again
4. vs Marth on BF
5. vs Marth on BF again

 

[Lawrencelot]

New vids! Check first post. There are a ton of them, against mahie again, it's not very good quality but the matches were very intense.

The reason why there are so many with me against mahie is that i played him in a small tourney yesterday, I beat him in winner's finals then he beat me in grand finals but I didn't lose yet so then we played grand finals again.

 

[Lawrencelot]

New good quality vids! From 1 june 2010. Both are low amount moneymatches btw

vs Ser (Falco) 1
vs Ser (Falco) 2
vs Ser (Falco) 3
vs Ser (Marth) 4

vs Mind Trick (IC) 1
vs Mind Trick (IC) 2
vs Mind Trick (IC) 3
vs Mind Trick (IC) 4

 

[KirbyKaze]

Don't wait at the edge and D-smash Falco's low recoveries. Even if you hit the D-smash, he can probably WJ tech --> Illusion --> free move on you, or get an advantageous position. If you have the time to wait at the edge, you have time to grab it, or position yourself for aerial needles.

I'll say more later.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Use more safe moves against Ice Climbers. Fair and needles are all you need. Dsmash is a decent separator, but if you don't use it sparingly, you'll eventually hit a shield and get grabbed, which will probably result in you dying. Don't tilt until past 60% (or if they're in the air). When you platform camp, aim needles in the path of their wavedash and know when they can uair you.

 

[Lawrencelot]

Thanks for the feedback. I don't really have experience against IC, I find it hard to keep up with the boring safe moves all the time, especially in friendlies, but of course it's needed in that matchup. I should also learn when to go for nana or not because I did that all wrong here